SI.com article - Beyond-bad Bobcats make you wonder: What happened to MJ?

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This was a great piece from Michael Rosenberg. Story below & link to story here. If the bobcats are tanking the season for the #1 pick, this is beyond sad because there is no franchise saviour or corner stone to be had. The bobcat roster is beyond bad, shoot even brand jordan is horrible. If it weren't for retros, not sure if they would be turning a profit. Even the quality of the retros are dookie. What are your thoughts?

Like many sports teams, the Charlotte Bobcats are caught in an argument between haters and homers. One group thinks the Bobcats are one of the worst teams in NBA history. Those are the homers. The haters think the Bobcats have been losing on purpose so they can get the No. 1 pick in the draft. The homers say "No, that's not fair. They really do suck this bad. They're not trying to suck; they just suck at trying."

The Bobcats are 7-56 now, losers of 20 straight and on track to earn to the league's worst winning percentage in history (.106). And since the Bobcats clinched the worst record in the league a while back, I think it's fair to say that if they WERE tanking, they aren't tanking anymore, unless this is some perverse version of running up the score.

This is the year of a packed 66-game schedule, of three games in three nights, of five games in seven nights, of coaches coaching to avoid overtime because their players are exhausted, of players seeing "DALLAS" on opposing jerseys and being confused because they thought they were in San Antonio. Everybody has flat nights, even more than normal. The entire schedule has been built so nobody loses 20 games in a row. Yet the Bobcats have done it, and the 20th loss may have been their most impressive: a 26-point home defeat to the 21-43 Kings.

If you didn't know, you would never believe it: The man in charge of this operation is the greatest competitor in basketball history. I want to grab Michael Jordan by the shoulders, shake him and ask: "What the heck happened to you?"

When Jordan was a player, he would cut your lungs out, just so he could catch some fresh air. This is what separated him from the rest of the basketball world, both in his playing days and in our minds. Sure, he was a breathtaking athlete. But there have been a lot of great athletes in the NBA. He was incredibly skilled, but that wasn't what defined him. Jordan was better because he was built from different material. He had the will of Kobe Bryant without the selfish streak, the talent of LeBron James with 10 times as much self-assurance.

Jordan scored 63 points on the Celtics when doctors wanted him to rest as he recovered from a broken foot. He beat the Jazz in the NBA Finals when he had a stomach flu. He scored 55 points at Madison Square Garden after coming out of retirement, when he was still not in basketball shape, because it was Madison Square Garden and he was Michael Jordan and that is just what he did.

And look at him now. Jordan has been the worst kind of owner. He pays attention when he feels like it. He hires his cronies. (Rod Higgins, who works in the Bobcats' front office, was one of Jordan's first Bulls teammates. Even Larry Brown was a fellow member of the Tar Heel mafia, though at least Brown was a great coach.) He complains about the cost of doing business, like he thought he was buying a convenience store instead of an NBA team.


Owners are fans with money. Some days, Jordan has been the guy who buys season tickets and leaves in the third quarter. On other days, he has literally been the guy who practices with the team because he feels like it.

The Bobcats are worse than bad. They are cheap. They are boring. They have a retread coach (68-year-old Paul Silas), and very little hope on the roster. Their leading scorer, Corey Maggette, is 32. The rest of the team is young, which is the hope that teams sell when they don't have hope. Hey, we're young! So what? There are millions of young people in this country, and I wouldn't ask most of them to guard Kevin Durant.

They are supposed to be building around two rookies, but you need a whole lot of faith to see Bismack Biyombo or Kemba Walker as a superstar. The Bobcats traded up for the seventh pick in the 2011 draft so they could pick Biyombo, who is shooting 49 percent. No, not from the field. From the free-throw line. Biyombo is supposed to be the next Ben Wallace. Well, we'll see.

The Bobcats used the ninth pick to take Walker. He was a wonderful college player at Connecticut, and he will have a nice NBA career, but you can't build a contending NBA team around Kemba Walker. They should have used the No. 7 pick on Brandon Knight, who went No. 8 to Detroit. Knight may or may not turn out to be a star. But he is taller, younger and is shooting better from three-point range (37.6 percent) than Walker is shooting from everywhere (37.1 percent).

Jordan has been Charlotte's majority owner for only two years, but he was part-owner and "Managing Member of Basketball Operations" for four before that. This debacle is his. The Bobcats are Jordan's Folly, proof that no matter who you are or how high you rise, at some point life will step on your head.

The NBA is invested in Jordan in so many ways. He is the game's most famous player, a minority owner, an expansion-team baron, a global icon and an enormous cultural influence. Jordan represents so many conflicts of interest, but the NBA doesn't really care about that. If Jordan wins, the NBA wins.

If you had told me Jordan would be a bad owner, I would have understood. I could have seen him as Daniel Snyder or young George Steinbrenner, showing no patience, demanding too much of the wrong people, spending money recklessly, changing direction three times a day.
But this ... this I can't believe.

I don't know what Jordan thinks when he watches this mess. Maybe he dreams about getting Anthony Davis with the top pick. Maybe he tells himself he hasn't been an owner for very long, and this will get better. Maybe he wishes he had been nicer to his old general manager with the Bulls, Jerry Krause, who gave him Phil Jackson, Scottie Pippen, Dennis Rodman and enough other surrounding pieces to win six championships, and got mocked by Jordan every step of the way

Maybe Jordan is just happy to be Michael Jordan. Maybe he feels detached from the whole thing. But I have to believe that in some moments, as the greatest player ever watches one of the worst teams ever, he thinks to himself: "You used to be Michael Jordan. What happened?"
 
Originally Posted by psk2310


This was a great piece from Michael Rosenberg. Story below & link to story here. If the bobcats are tanking the season for the #1 pick, this is beyond sad because there is no franchise saviour or corner stone to be had. The bobcat roster is beyond bad, shoot even brand jordan is horrible. If it weren't for retros, not sure if they would be turning a profit. Even the quality of the retros are dookie. What are your thoughts?





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I disagree.

They are supposed to be building around two rookies, but you need a whole lot of faith to see Bismack Biyombo or Kemba Walker as a superstar. The Bobcats traded up for the seventh pick in the 2011 draft so they could pick Biyombo, who is shooting 49 percent. No, not from the field. From the free-throw line. Biyombo is supposed to be the next Ben Wallace. Well, we'll see.




Well, Ben Wallace was also a poor FT shooter too, so I don't know what this has to do with anything. Everyone knew Biyombo would be incredibly raw and he's only 19. Give him a couple years and he should be a DPOY candidate every year. He doesn't have to become a superstar, if he doesn't develop anything offensively, then he can still score off put-backs and alley oops. Then defensively he's going to rebound, block shots, be a defensive presence inside.
 
Davis would turn that team around. Not quick, but he will have an immediate impact.
 
I think we've learned by now your talent on the court or field has little bearing on your talent to run a team once you retire.

The media loves to sync the two together when they are two almost completely different monsters. Mike has made a ton of poor decisions since he has retired though that's no joke.
 
I'd rather bottom out then be stuck in the middle.
 
At best, Davis can hope to be a Marcus Camby. He is not a franchise player. Dude has no strength & is a bean pole. PFs & centers would eat that boy alive in the league.
 
Originally Posted by psk2310

At best, Davis can hope to be a Marcus Camby. He is not a franchise player. Dude has no strength & is a bean pole. PFs & centers would eat that boy alive in the league.
I might agree with you if he was forced to stay the same weight for his entire career.. but that's just illogical, so I don't. 
 
Originally Posted by psk2310

At best, Davis can hope to be a Marcus Camby. He is not a franchise player. Dude has no strength & is a bean pole. PFs & centers would eat that boy alive in the league.


And? Strength in your rookie year means nothing... Or did you forget about Yao, Kevin Durant, etc. 'Bean pole' means he's only going to get stronger and better.
 
Originally Posted by psk2310

At best, Davis can hope to be a Marcus Camby. He is not a franchise player. Dude has no strength & is a bean pole. PFs & centers would eat that boy alive in the league.

Why do people always say this?

Do you understand that he's 6'11 for all of like 2 years now? Kid is still growing into his body. And even still...players ADD weight. Why do people act like whatever weight you come in w/ you stay at?
 
10027 wrote:
psk2310 wrote:
At best, Davis can hope to be a Marcus Camby. He is not a franchise player. Dude has no strength & is a bean pole. PFs & centers would eat that boy alive in the league.


And? Strength in your rookie year means nothing... Or did you forget about Yao, Kevin Durant, etc. 'Bean pole' means he's only going to get stronger and better.
Actually Yao was very strong. It's what helped him the first couple of years in the L. Durant is beginning his career as a small forward. Davis will be eithera PF or center, where he will definitely need strength which he currently does not have. Save for his right handed hook shot, Davis has basically no post moves...

  
 
Originally Posted by psk2310

10027 wrote:
psk2310 wrote:
At best, Davis can hope to be a Marcus Camby. He is not a franchise player. Dude has no strength & is a bean pole. PFs & centers would eat that boy alive in the league.


And? Strength in your rookie year means nothing... Or did you forget about Yao, Kevin Durant, etc. 'Bean pole' means he's only going to get stronger and better.
 Save for his right handed hook shot, Davis has basically no post moves...

  
This guy was a "bean pole" and zero post moves coming in from HS tho...
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Literally started looking like The Terminator a year later...
 
Originally Posted by DIOR PAINT

Originally Posted by psk2310

At best, Davis can hope to be a Marcus Camby. He is not a franchise player. Dude has no strength & is a bean pole. PFs & centers would eat that boy alive in the league.

Why do people always say this?

Do you understand that he's 6'11 for all of like 2 years now? Kid is still growing into his body. And even still...players ADD weight. Why do people act like whatever weight you come in w/ you stay at?
This is what i try to tell people.  Kid was a guard for most of his life.  He is incredibly coordinated for some one his size.  He can handle the ball well, has exceptional hands and looks like he can develop a mid range jumper (just judging by his free throw stroke....seems natural and smooth...bias opinion lol)

I am not saying he is going to be the next Dirk or something....but to say the most he can hope for is Marcus Camby is laughable.  He should be Camby at worst...
 
As much as its frowned upon, I can see why they're tanking. They can play for pride, but then they'd be in the same position year after year. Pride can only do so much for you in their position & they'd be playing for pride for years to come. At least this can lead to something to build around instead of being stuck in the same spot.
 
Originally Posted by DIOR PAINT

Originally Posted by psk2310

10027 wrote:

And? Strength in your rookie year means nothing... Or did you forget about Yao, Kevin Durant, etc. 'Bean pole' means he's only going to get stronger and better.
 Save for his right handed hook shot, Davis has basically no post moves...

  
This guy was a "bean pole" and zero post moves coming in from HS tho...
dwight.jpg


Literally started looking like The Terminator a year later...


Chill..Dwight was never even close to Anthony Davis skinny. He was always solid, watch his high school highlights.
 
I see what the others are saying about Davis. Strength is def something that can be worked on. What I don't like is the lack of post moves & the ability to play down low. I'm not sure this dude has the work ethic it's gonna take for him to be able to play professionally well, specifically to be the franchise player MJ is hoping.

As for the bobcats, MJ's run with DC continuing with this team has been horrible. I thought things might be different since he hired Rich Cho (since he wasn't a yes man nor previously part of his inner circle or Tarheel fam)...This team looks awful, just awful.
 
Originally Posted by Buc Em

Originally Posted by DIOR PAINT

Originally Posted by psk2310

 Save for his right handed hook shot, Davis has basically no post moves...

  
This guy was a "bean pole" and zero post moves coming in from HS tho...
dwight.jpg


Literally started looking like The Terminator a year later...

Chill..Dwight was never even close to Anthony Davis skinny. He was always solid, watch his high school highlights.

If you wanna nitpick...you might have a point.
D12 was skinny coming into the NBA. 

He put on weight.

That's my point.
 
Originally Posted by psk2310

Wow, I didn't realize the NT slurpage on Davis.
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  I guess we'll see.


its not slurpage, if you can't recognize Davis is one of the best frontcourt prospects to enter the nba draft, well then you're just blind.  this guy just won almost every single regular and postseason award in his freshman season.
 
Michael Jordan is a damn genius making this team as bad as it can be.

I'd absolutely rather have the worst team in the league over being stuck in the middle as they were a year or 2 ago.
 
let's get back on track guys and let the MJ as the worst executive ever bashing continue.

Who would you choose to run your franchise

Zeke or MJ???
 
^ damn, zeke & mj might be tied....Never occurred to me to compare the 2. Good one..
 
as far as Davis and this entire draft class goes, it's overrated.


you dudes been touting this draft class since last year, lol. we'll see. dudes are pretty average for NBA standards.
 
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