The Combat Jack Show Thread

[masagipatron]

Full video up

 

[zoelife91]

Envy probably dropped the line or some ish.

I forgot what it's called but it where you pledge but if you ain't cut out you can quit or some ****.

You basically get clowned though for the rest of your college campus life though.

 

[Maximus Meridius]

I never heard him act like him and Em was cool and friends. I think some of you took that out of the song.

He never talked about Em like he did Royce and Crook. He almost never mentioned Em on the show.

He mentioned it as far as seeing his whole career and both of them having addiction issues in common.

Yeah joe never implied he and em were friends. He respected him on an emcee level.

Yes he did. For months on ES he always talked about Em like they was friends.

He always saying **** like

"Ya'll don't know Em how I know him..."

"Me and him have personal conversations..."

 

[tay1]

If that's your gauge of their deep friendship, cool. Pf course they were friends to some extent but I always the things he were saying as him showing respect. It's clear they weren't close. It's also close that nobody is closer to Em than Royce.

 

[Maximus Meridius]

I don't know how deep their friendship was. I'm going by what Joe was saying. For months he wouldn't say a bad word about Em and he would always defend it by saying "I really know him". Then overnight it was "Me and Em were never cool".

So which one is it? But we've seen this flip flop plenty of times with Joe.

 

[harlemtothebronx]

Saturday morning podcast is going to be clutch. Can't wait.

 

[All Ready]

i never really heard joe calling em a friend

he was always guarded talking bout em due to his affiliations

and the breakfast club is def on its way out in terms of popularity

big names still go there but the need to watch the interview is gone

now it’s on some of I catch it I catch it type stuff

as a morning show people still tune in but the impact has def shifted

 

[Maximus Meridius]

Just skimming both of these there's a few times when he clearly says "Me and Em have conversations" "He's on the list of people I will never criticize".

He even praised Em's content

He was doing exactly what everybody is claiming Royce and Crooked I are doing. He jumped from one extreme to the next. He shouldn't have went overboard with the praise and defending Em last year, it makes him look like a serious flip flopper.

 

[tay1]

i never really heard joe calling em a friend

he was always guarded talking bout em due to his affiliations

and the breakfast club is def on its way out in terms of popularity

big names still go there but the need to watch the interview is gone

now it’s on some of I catch it I catch it type stuff

as a morning show people still tune in but the impact has def shifted

This is how I see it. Dude was just being "loyal" to who he was affiliated with. It's clear he always had problems with him. You dont just spew an hour of anger off of one line without having these feelings. Either way, I hope Em drops a track towards him. Joe sound like he want it.

 

[harlemtothebronx]

Seems to me like Joe felt this way for a while, and out of respect for who Em is and what Em's accomplished, he held is tongue (kinda) which is rare for him.

Giving Slaughtermouse another listen helped clear a lot of stuff up for me knowing that it was initially intended to be a diss. It sounded borderline back then, now a lot more makes sense after that rant.

If what Joe said about how Em handled the group is true, he's wrong for that...and it's believable. That's pretty much the same description we got from MGK. He's sheltered and doesn't have a lot going on in his world.

You can't promote for the group you signed because you're a megastar? Huh? Why sign anyone then?

I dunno, I guess we'll see how things play out going forward.

 

[masagipatron]

Thinking more about Joe's time at Shady, he's right about everything that he said. However, they signed after D12, Obie and 50 weren't moving units. After Cashis, Bobby Creekwater and Stat Quo were dropped. The label was on it's way down. I was a Slaughterhouse fan before they signed with Shady and even I knew Shady was wrong for them. Joe said he wasn't mesmerized from the beginning but he still signed to a label with a bad track record. He has to take some blame for that. He gave in to pressure from the rest of the group it looks like against his better judgment.

I'll even go further and say that Joe should aim some resentment towards Royce. I think Royce wanted this deal more than anyone else. He had to reconcile with Em before Slaughterhouse could even sign. He's been one of Em's most loyal friends since that time. Royce also benefitted the most from the group because not only did he get a group deal for Slaughterhouse but he had a successful side project with Eminem (Bad Meets Evil- Hell: The Sequel) which I believe went platinum. Joe doesn't want to bring Royce into this even though he's a major part of why Slaughterhouse went to Shady. I bet that if Royce starts throwing shots at Joe, Joe's going to do another rant talking about "Royce, this is how I felt about you the entire time we were signed to Shady..."

 

[harlemtothebronx]

Man, I found my Slaughterhouse tee that I copped after the first album dropped and almost shed a tear. That first album was great. Wish they would have stayed independent.

 

[harlemtothebronx]

Thinking more about Joe's time at Shady, he's right about everything that he said. However, they signed after D12, Obie and 50 weren't moving units. After Cashis, Bobby Creekwater and Stat Quo were dropped. The label was on it's way down. I was a Slaughterhouse fan before they signed with Shady and even I knew Shady was wrong for them. Joe said he wasn't mesmerized from the beginning but he still signed to a label with a bad track record. He has to take some blame for that. He gave in to pressure from the rest of the group it looks like against his better judgment.

I'll even go further and say that Joe should aim some resentment towards Royce. I think Royce wanted this deal more than anyone else. He had to reconcile with Em before Slaughterhouse could even sign. He's been one of Em's most loyal friends since that time. Royce also benefitted the most from the group because not only did he get a group deal for Slaughterhouse but he had a successful side project with Eminem (Bad Meets Evil- Hell: The Sequel) which I believe went platinum. Joe doesn't want to bring Royce into this even though he's a major part of why Slaughterhouse went to Shady. I bet that if Royce starts throwing shots at Joe, Joe's going to do another rant talking about "Royce, this is how I felt about you the entire time we were signed to Shady..."

That's a great point. Royce was put in a tough spot, though. I think to him and the rest of the guys it looked like a good opportunity. If I'm not mistaken, Royce, Crooked and Joell all had Aftermath deals that fell through at some point, so I can see those three guys almost looking past the past failures and just seeing an opportunity to tie up some big loose ends and seize an opportunity they felt like passed them.

Royce definitely benefited the most. You could argue that the deal is what helped push him to where he is today and outside of that underground label he's had and tried to shed since like '01.

I don't want to see it get messy between Royce and Joe, though. They beefed once, and it ended in mutual respect. Usually in those cases you don't revert to beefing, but I KNOW Royce feels beholden to Em.

 

[All Ready]

Just skimming both of these there's a few times when he clearly says "Me and Em have conversations" "He's on the list of people I will never criticize".

He even praised Em's content

He was doing exactly what everybody is claiming Royce and Crooked I are doing. He jumped from one extreme to the next. He shouldn't have went overboard with the praise and defending Em last year, it makes him look like a serious flip flopper.

you know joe, he creating content without saying what he wanted to say

 

[definition of dopeness]

Budden has def called em a friend. Son called him family

http://www.mtv.com/news/1704963/eminem-joe-budden-sobriety/

That’s the thing with Joe he’s very manipulative. “Got a side I never showed to you, a side where everybody is disposable.”

Just last year when Em last joint came out, and they were all saying Em’s last good project was Recovery...he went on and on about how him and Em were real close at that time and the convos they were having lol.

Em def could have did more for the group but Joe acting like they didn’t give him a battle rap tv show and paid him 250k to battle Hollow. The whole total slaughter was a disaster but yeah Shady/Em def did **** for Budden.

 

[harlemtothebronx]

He could have done more. That total slaughter **** is almost a step backwartd for dudes with major deals...and if you want the event to pop off and do well, you at least show up as the biggest rapper and one of the most respected battle rappers and show face.

Em always seemed really detached and unwilling to do the footwork for an artist that's smaller than him. Em popped off so quick, and so many things were put on hold. Hell: The Sequel was supposed to drop like a decade before it did (partly due to the label dropping Royce and falling out with Dre), but if Em didn't have time to lend Royce a helping hand, Joe may be right about Em being in his own bubble.

But I've been listening to the Mood Muzik series today, so I'm biased.

 

[harlemtothebronx]

https://genius.com/a/lupe-fiasco-is-confident-he-could-destroy-joe-budden-eminem-in-a-rap-beef

“I want no smoke but if I did I would destroy them all.”
Lupe Fiasco might not have earned a mention on Eminem’s new album Kamikaze, but that didn’t stop him from weighing in. The Chicago MC recently caught some flak from his fans for sharing a video of Eminem’s BET Hip-Hop Awards cypher overdubbed with rapping from Instagram comedian Blobert Morechairs. Soon after, he posted a lengthy (and now-deleted) response note that addressed multiple issues, including his thoughts on Joe Budden and Eminem’s recent war of words.

Although Lupe said he wasn’t looking to fight, he also expressed confidence in his ability to take both rappers on:

I posted up that video of the comedian mimicking Eminem rap style because I thought it was funny and actually most rappers actually rap like that when they are writing to catch a flow and get a melody. I like Em & most other rappers & I want no smoke but if I did I would destroy them all. Especially Joe Budden & Em too.

Lupe and Budden have something of a playful relationship based around their mutual love for the videogame Street Fighter. Earlier this year, Lupe publicly challenged Budden to a Street Fighter showdown. Back in 2016, they also engaged in a Twitter back-and-forth where they both claimed they could out-rap each other.

It doesn’t seem like Lupe is offering any serious challenge to Em or Budden as much as he’s asserting his confidence in his own skills. Still, while fans wait for the follow-up to Lupe’s 2017 album DROGAS Light, it’s always interesting to see the Chicago rapper back in the news.

Catch up on Eminem and Joe Budden’s beef on Genius now.

I want to see Joe and Lupe.

 

[masagipatron]

Nah, if Lupe gets in on this, as The Brand says, it's going to be Washed FM.

 

[Maximus Meridius]

Budden has def called em a friend. Son called him family

http://www.mtv.com/news/1704963/eminem-joe-budden-sobriety/

That’s the thing with Joe he’s very manipulative. “Got a side I never showed to you, a side where everybody is disposable.”

Just last year when Em last joint came out, and they were all saying Em’s last good project was Recovery...he went on and on about how him and Em were real close at that time and the convos they were having lol.

People acting like Joe ain't say this stuff out his own mouth.

That's why I'm like so was he being fake all this time acting like they was close friends? Cuz you can be loyal to your label head w/o going overboard with the praise.

We know Em has been trash and he didn't do much Slaughter House but them _'s had a ceiling anyway and that group formed about 5 years too late. If Em did do features for them all the crazy Em fans would just pay attention to him and ignore everybody else. On top of that, Em wasn't the dude to sign to at that time, he was outta touch.

 

[All Ready]

joe has also made songs dissing em disguising them as homage

I still don’t see the point yall getting at with the whole friend angle

the entire time joe spoke on em from then til now I never looked at them as friends

it was very clear which one in the group was ems friend

joe has had the exact same talking points discussing jay z

 

[harlemtothebronx]

Man, he kinda was saying then what he’s saying now on record.

 

[Maximus Meridius]

This Rory vs Envy beef is funny. Rory did everything but tell him to pull up.

I still don’t see the point yall getting at with the whole friend angle

the entire time joe spoke on em from then til now I never looked at them as friends

it was very clear which one in the group was ems friend

joe has had the exact same talking points discussing jay z

Because it's hard to take somebody serious when they flip flop and change their story. I can rock with Lord Jamar cuz he's always said he don't **** with Em.

 

[Cashflow]

Has Envy responded to what was said on the podcast?

 

[Magic33]

So Charlamagne said that comment about Rory and then proceeds to have a hour long conversation with MAGA Lite who knows nothing about hip hop

Because it's hard to take somebody serious when they flip flop and change their story. I can rock with Lord Jamar cuz he's always said he don't **** with Em.

Naw, I think some of you misinterpreted what he was saying. You have people you're cool with at work. Do you hang with them outside of work? Do you count them as real friends or your work friends?

 

[Cashflow]