****The Everything LaVar Ball Thread****

[bigj505]

You gotta be crazy to think Lebron and MJ aren't being pimped out or are "winning" with the money they make off they shoes.

You think Nike gon off Bron a billy and not expect to get practically exponentially more out the deal? Them execs don't want players to have the thought they can get money off they own name

Lebron and MJ are winning. All they have to do is wear the product and collect checks.

 

[kingfoamnyc]

Let Zion Williamson follow the Lavar mold and create his own brand... If he's able to have a eye catching logo and some great looking merch with good prices being sold on a professionally designed web store your gonna see the seismic shift on how these prospects present themselves and what they demand from these shoe companies. If they all decide to create their own brands and look for distribution they have no choice but to adapt.

 

[kingfoamnyc]

Lebron and MJ are winning. All they have to do is wear the product and collect checks.

It's level to winning bro. LeBron and MJ are doing better than all of us on NT combined x100. But are they Phil Knight, Bill Gates, Elon Musk, Jeff Bezos winning ?

 

[shogun]

Yeah like you said if people do want to start out with their own co-brand or distribution they need to have accomplished stuff already or have really trendy social media popular type products. Out of all the athletes that have been around, jordan brand under the Nike umbrella, starbury and venus williams' eleven are the only athlete brands I can think of right now and they started after they were already stars.

 

[bigj505]

Lebron and MJ are winning. All they have to do is wear the product and collect checks.

It's level to winning bro. LeBron and MJ are doing better than all of us on NT combined x100. But are they Phil Knight, Bill Gates, Elon Musk, Jeff Bezos winning ?

Everyone in those situations wins.
To tell me that an althete that is paid millions or even billions to let you use his likeliness isn't winning is the same thing as telling me that the earth isn't round. I just won't believe it.

I have no issue with an athlete wanting to start his own brand and pushing the product on his own but I also acknowledge that these companies have to do a lot of the work to design, produce, and distribute the product which is more work than endorsing.
Nike is paid for its efforts. Athletes are paid for their endorsing.

 

[bigj505]

Yeah like you said if people do want to start out with their own co-brand or distribution they need to have accomplished stuff already or have really trendy social media popular type products. Out of all the athletes that have been around, jordan brand under the Nike umbrella, starbury and venus williams' eleven are the only athlete brands I can think of right now and they started after they were already stars.

I wanna say Shaq did his own thing also.

 

[kingfoamnyc]

Yeah like you said if people do want to start out with their own co-brand or distribution they need to have accomplished stuff already or have really trendy social media popular type products. Out of all the athletes that have been around, jordan brand under the Nike umbrella, starbury and venus williams' eleven are the only athlete brands I can think of right now and they started after they were already stars.

Precisely, it's a new day though and what Lavar is doing is gonna change the game regardless of him and his kids reap the benefits or not. We like to crack jokes on him and his corny *** logos and brand but theirs gonna be a kid who comes up and does what Lavar is doing but better and the shoe companies are gonna be forced to play ball. T shirts, shorts, and sweat suits are the beginning. Create that buzz and then let the shoe company distribute your shoe and plaster your logo/brand on the box (alah Ewing's). Zion Williamson might just be that guy

 

[shogun]

Oh yeah I forgot about shaq. I think his shoes sold at Walmart or Kmart.

 

[biggie62]

I want to see them start their own brand sure. My question is who will develop their shoes, their tech, who will handle their distribution, what stores will actually carry your products that will give visibility, what will you do if a company will strong arm a company like FNL or FTL to not sell your shoes or they lose their distribution deal.

Business is more complicated and lavar doesn't have the funds to sink that much $ into those costs and neither will any of his children for the next 5 years. I mean we are talking 20-50 million at least. And with his remarks, trust me not many investors will want to put up money for someone unstable like that. To each their own but the likelihood of this working out aren't great.

 

[jjs07]

IIRC, Shaq was signed to Reebok when he was a rookie. His own brand/k-Mart connection didn't happen until that deal was through and he was already established as one of the best 5's in the league. Shoot, dude was dominant from day 1. DOMINANT.

Big difference. A lot of questions surrounding Lonzo Ball. Honestly, as hard as it is to be a PG in the NBA...or be an effective rookie, let's see if he can even average 8 points and 4 assists next season.

I know folks on here are enamored with the idea of pushing the BBB label, but would any of you be shocked to see him sign with an already reputable company for an endorsement contract like Nike or Adidas?

I think people (execs) would want Lonzo, but want nothing to do with the dad.

 

[bigj505]

Oh yeah I forgot about shaq. I think his shoes sold at Walmart or Kmart.

I think he did OK with those sales and I am also sure the Ewing did his own thing.
Im thinking that the ball brand would need some sort of catchy tech that people would go dumb over in order for it to become viral. That and career success.

The golfer, Greg Norman, I think has a VERY successful clothing line for golf.

 

[kingfoamnyc]

Everyone in those situations wins.
To tell me that an althete that is paid millions or even billions to let you use his likeliness isn't winning is the same thing as telling me that the earth isn't round. I just won't believe it.

I have no issue with an athlete wanting to start his own brand and pushing the product on his own but I also acknowledge that these companies have to do a lot of the work to design, produce, and distribute the product which is more work than endorsing.
Nike is paid for its efforts. Athletes are paid for their endorsing.

Absolutely. At the end of the day though the athletes that are getting paid for endorsing aren't getting paid nearly as much as the corporation that's producing these shoes that cost $10 to make.

 

[shogun]

Saying they're drake's cousins would help sales.

 

[bigj505]

Everyone in those situations wins.
To tell me that an althete that is paid millions or even billions to let you use his likeliness isn't winning is the same thing as telling me that the earth isn't round. I just won't believe it.

I have no issue with an athlete wanting to start his own brand and pushing the product on his own but I also acknowledge that these companies have to do a lot of the work to design, produce, and distribute the product which is more work than endorsing.
Nike is paid for its efforts. Athletes are paid for their endorsing.

Absolutely. At the end of the day though the athletes that are getting paid for endorsing aren't getting paid nearly as much as the corporation that's producing these shoes that cost $10 to make.

There is more than just $10 to the product tho. A lot of them would come out of the athetes bottom line if he did his own thing.
Like staffing, r&d, patents, facilities, qa, marketing, etc.

If successful, the athlete would definitely earn more since some fat is cut but there is a plus side too. I mean, tiger woods was making BANK just by endorsing stuff like watches, golf clubs, shoes, drinks, etc.
I'd love to get pimped like that.

 

[iamdef]

Lebron and MJ are winning. All they have to do is wear the product and collect checks.

But Nike is winning overall. They don't take home the lionshare of their sales, they get a piece of the pie but the majority stays with nike

 

[bigj505]

Lebron and MJ are winning. All they have to do is wear the product and collect checks.

But Nike is winning overall. They don't take home the lionshare of their sales, they get a piece of the pie but the majority stays with nike

its still winning and honestly, the money received from say Nike is actually more significant than the real employer.

The fact that an athlete can pimp his name to different companies and collect checks produces straight win.

If anything, the players are pimped by their respective sports.

Lavar should be aiming for not the NBA but his own LeNBA with the arguments presented

 

[biggie62]

Lebron and MJ are winning. All they have to do is wear the product and collect checks.

But Nike is winning overall. They don't take home the lionshare of their sales, they get a piece of the pie but the majority stays with nike

All the risk, all the expenses, all the R&D, brand development, supply management, designer salaries and other, and all other sunk costs that go into the billions of dollars that's all on Nike. The athlete doesn't care about any of that. They just have to show up and continue playing well. They take zero risk in terms of their own money.

 

[bigj505]

Lebron and MJ are winning. All they have to do is wear the product and collect checks.

But Nike is winning overall. They don't take home the lionshare of their sales, they get a piece of the pie but the majority stays with nike

All the risk, all the expenses, all the R&D, brand development, supply management, designer salaries and other, and all other sunk costs that go into the billions of dollars that's all on Nike. The athlete doesn't care about any of that. They just have to show up and continue playing well. They take zero risk in terms of their own money.

Yup.

I mean, does anyone think Rose is being pimped by Adidas?

 

[esydc]

sad to see folks being content...

 

[iamdef]

its still winning and honestly, the money received from say Nike is actually more significant than the real employer.

The fact that an athlete can pimp his name to different companies and collect checks produces straight win.

If anything, the players are pimped by their respective sports.

Lavar should be aiming for not the NBA but his own LeNBA with the arguments presented

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All the risk, all the expenses, all the R&D, brand development, supply management, designer salaries and other, and all other sunk costs that go into the billions of dollars that's all on Nike. The athlete doesn't care about any of that. They just have to show up and continue playing well. They take zero risk in terms of their own money.

Not saying it's not winning or what the star cares about, saying when looking at the pie chart of earnings, stars are getting a fairly small slice. When you accept all that risk and those expenses that yields you a bigger payday. Brands prefer you to want them to do all the work so you get something for practically nothing because they know that to a certain point they can put anything out with your name on it and people will buy it

 

[bigj505]

sad to see folks being content...

what do you do for a living if you don't mind me asking?

 

[cashbanks]

Some real stupidity in here the last couple pages.

LeBron being pimped by nike they gave dude 90 million before he played a damn game.

 

[biggie62]

So tell me how in the world is Lavar going to get the funds to start his own brand? He's not a millionaire, his oldest son will be but that won't start until the middle of upcoming season.

You aren't going to have investors flocking and investing 25 million on an athlete that can still flop and turn out and become no more than a Darren Collison (just picking a role player as an example who plays PG not making a comparison or saying he'll flop), and with the potential PR nightmare of a father running the show. Sorry I just don't see a venture capitalist taking this risk and investing more than 1 million maybe.

It's not about being complacent and content. It's people not understanding the complexities of all this. This isn't making shopping bags where all you need is plastic. We are talking millions and even hundreds of millions of dollars of sunk costs. If you take the risk you do reap the rewards but you need the $€£ first to do so. The Ball family doesn't have it.

 

[Brownstone]

Nike has pimped and will continue to pimp athletes. Could care less what LeBron is on track to make or what MJ did in his 30 years with Nike but I know for a fact Nike has made way more off those SIG's than Mike or Lebron ever will. Lavar wants his kids and their brand to be as big as Nike and that exec obviously has a issue with him wanting to shake things up by not playing his "role". Imagine if all the top flight prospects came out with their own brand and at most was looking to sign a partnership rather than a deal. Nike, Adidas, etc would merely become distributors to every superstar athlete that has their own brand coming out of college and that's something they aren't gonna allow.

That is how it's supposed to work. 

Same thing happens in the restaurant business on a much smaller scale. 

Nike does all the work, Lebron probably does 40-80 hours a year for them. Maybe events he is required to attend, and morality clauses he is legally bound by, but aside from that he says he wants a strap, and kids can fork over 180 for them and he leaves Beaverton.....

 

[iamdef]

I think "pimped" is where we are getting most of the disconnect. In Lebron's case it's hard to say he's getting pimped because at his level his not a basic **, he's the top dollar ** that you have to hit a certain level of prestige to even meet