The MMA Thread: DON'T ASK 4 STREAMS & NO GIFS- UFC on NOW: Black Beast

[shogun]

I also think her pitch as first mom to be a UFC champion is just sort of not appealing for the fans to care about.

It’s a story espn likes to push but the fans only care that she’s attractive and flexible.

 

[xbiker47]

Looks like khabib said Connor doesn’t deserve a rematch. He’s absolutely correct

Khabib and Tony has to happen after this Dustin fight

 

[Vincent Van Goat]

Aaron Pico fights on Friday against yet another non can. I'm still a big believer in Pico. Now that he's with Jackson's and Six Gun, I'm optimistic that they'll channel his skill set into a complete fighter

By the way, this is spicy

 

[shogun]

Why he sound so petty and he’s the one who won? He ko’ed your bro, get over it.

 

[Vincent Van Goat]

People have been saying the last time tony lost, Dana hadn’t let women fight in the ufc yet

That’s insane

 

[BobbyLite]

Max almost got to Dustin, that volume was still there. I don't know if Justin would have survived tbh. And he can take a lot of damage

You can go through Justin's resume and poke holes too, hell, Justin poked Barboza in the eye. You can go through any resume and poke holes

Besides Dustin beating Justin fair and square, besides the resume, I just again look at their techniques, and I believe Dustin elevated himself. Justin is respected and appreciated, I still have him high up there too. If he gave Khabib a run for his money I wouldn't be surprised. I'm just going off what we've seen of both men

All the shots Justin takes will add up. His defense is below par. Once his chin goes he will be mid pack. Only thing keeping him going is taking all those shots. Almost too tough for his own good.

 

[BobbyLite]

People have been saying the last time tony lost, Dana hadn’t let women fight in the ufc yet

That’s insane

And still won’t get a title shot. I’d wait if I was tony

 

[blastercombo]

It’s a story espn likes to push but the fans only care that she’s attractive and flexible.

They haven’t recovered since Rhonda left. They’re reaching out on what might sell another female. Cyborg turned out to be a huge flop

Khabib and Tony has to happen after this Dustin fight

Honestly who else? There’s no other name

 

[jayt1202]

They haven’t recovered Vince Rhonda left. They’re reaching out on what might sell another female. Cyborg turned out to be a huge flop



Honestly who else? There’s no other name

True, Tony/Khabib is also the fight I most want to see at LW and ideally it happens on the New Years card but not sure Khabib would be ready for a relatively quick turnover after he fights Dustin in Sept. unless Poirier pulls the upset. That said, if Khabib wins and then says he wants to wait til early 2020 I'm not sure Tony doesn't take another fight before the end of the year. He more than deserves the shot but as we have seen it's not always about how deserving you are, sad as that is.

 

[Vincent Van Goat]

They’re doing another bellator vs rizn Champ vs champ tomorrow

Lowkey so cool they’ve been sharing talent

 

[Vincent Van Goat]

Leon Edwards being left out of the mix is pretty messed up, but that's the UFC world. He should be in a #1 contender fight

 

[jayt1202]

Lol at filming a commercial.

This coming Bellator card looks real strong though. Even has Pico on the prelims.

 

[boxer15]

Not really upset at them leaving Edwards out, dude just lost to Masvidal.

 

[Vincent Van Goat]

Edwards getting slapped by Jorge was funny but outside of Colby, Edwards has the better claim to that askren fight

It is what it is tho, Edwards got no aura to him and got boo’d by his own people on his home soil

 

[boxer15]

I mean, Masvidal KOed a recent title challenger in enemy territory. I’d say his claim to the Askren fight is just fine.

 

[Vincent Van Goat]

Coming off a horrible beating to woodley and before that missed weight and arguably lost to wonderboy

Jorge coming off two straight losses before

I’d say not as good as Edwards

 

[BobbyLite]

I still wanna see Till/Edwards. Not worth it for Edwards tho with a win over RDA next.

 

[boxer15]

Coming off a horrible beating to woodley and before that missed weight and arguably lost to wonderboy

Jorge coming off two straight losses before

I’d say not as good as Edwards

Jorge coming off 2 losses to guys far superior to Edwards. Only guy on their level Edwards fought was Usman and he lost to him.

Beating Nelson and Cowboy gets him worthy? Nah.

 

[Vincent Van Goat]

Jorge coming off 2 losses to guys far superior to Edwards. Only guy on their level Edwards fought was Usman and he lost to him.

Beating Nelson and Cowboy gets him worthy? Nah.

So you defend Jorge for losing to high caliber guys and then discredit Edwards for the same exact thing

Don’t forget Vicente Luque as well. When you win 7 in a row at some point that should elevate you. In this case strictly off resume, I think it does

I fully understand why Jorge is in that fight though

 

[SORIANOTRON]

read something that the UFC has/interest in buying some currently active boxing organizations

 

[illphillip]

Edwards in a #1 contender fight?

His biggest wins are Gunnar and a Cowboy who was maybe above average at 170. Cowboy WAS actually on a 4 fight win streak at WW before Jorge starched him and he then lost to Lawler, Till and Leon.

He’s on a nice streak. But nah

That RDA fight is the perfect fight for him IMO.

It’s Edwards first fight against a Top5 fighter. Masvidal been fighting Top5 guys to a stalemate for years. Till. Split with Maia. Wonderboy, a 2x title challenger, outpointed him for sure but I remember it being a pretty boring uneventful fight though I could be wrong. Cowboy might’ve even been Top5 at the time.

Fast tracking these guys really doesn’t do them any good IMO.

EDIT: I didn’t see that boxer15 basically said this verbatim already

I would argue it’s Askren who is the more questionable competitor in the #1 contender fight based on what he’s done in the UFC.

 

[Vincent Van Goat]

Askren is undefeated and was a champ from another org, I think he deserves to be one half of a #1 contender fight, even though he looked like **** against lawler. He still squeaked out a finish

Jorge’s biggest wins are against cowboy and a fast tracked till who’s biggest win was cowboy and a very controversial win against wonderboy where he also missed weight and Jorge also just lost twice

Till didn’t deserve to be in the title fight to begin with and you sleep on Vincent Luque

 

[illphillip]

No one is sleeping on Luque. The guy was 11-5 when he lost to Edwards. He is clearly on a nice run now though working his way up the division. Cool.

I already pointed out Jorge’s loses so parroting what I said doesn’t really mean much. I provided context for those loses.

Sometimes who you fight matters. Win or lose.

Sometimes when you fight someone matters. Some would argue beating Cowboy off a 4 fight win streak is a better look than beating him when he’s lost 3 of his last 4.

I also made a point of saying what I said about Askren being based on what he’s done in the UFC. Which isn’t much.

Details matter.

Leon should fight ONE Top 5 guy before we talk about a #1 contender fight. That’s just simple math to me. I know the UFC forgoes simple math when convenient for them but not at all mad they didn’t here.

 

[Vincent Van Goat]

I’m not mad at Jorge and askren getting that seemingly number 1 contender fight. It makes all the $ense and both are still in their primes

My take is that Edwards is absolutely in both of their leagues at the moment in terms of deserving a #1 contender. There’s nothing really laughable about it

Beating a streaking cowboy was a better win than Edwards for sure but that was also 2.5 years ago and Jorge got his rightful #1 contender chance, perhaps twice and couldn’t convert

 

[illphillip]

To me Jorge fighting at the top of the division, winning some, losing some, warrants the #1 contender fight over someone who has not had a single fight against a Top 5 fighter.

If Edwards wins, then he’s in their league. Because to this point he really hasn’t even had a fight in that league. He literally fought Gunnar on the undercard of Masvidal/Till.