The NBA Draft Thread

[ballinsam23]

DSJ can end up being the best point guard in this draft. I also think he has the biggest bust potential. He's a boom or bust pick imo.

Like Exum?

He might be better than Exum in every facet of the game except defense.

 

[Sonny Corinthos]

. I also think he has the biggest bust potential.

I don't see that, unless he gets hurt again. He's at least a solid rotation player

 

[MajinZuub]

DSJ can end up being the best point guard in this draft. I also think he has the biggest bust potential. He's a boom or bust pick imo.

Like Exum?

Nothing like Exum. His health is the main concern. If he holds up, dude plays with a fire in him and might even be more atheltic than Fox.

 

[VARNELL HILL]

this
he didn't even play his senior year
and he was a top 2 hs prospect at one point

He definitely played in Adidas Nations his senior season before enrolling early @ NC State. He certainly wasn't some consensus top 2 prospect prior to his injury. That was a top heavy class. Josh Jackson, Giles, Taytum all were bounding around those 1-2 spots in that class.

I think he was better than his pre-college projection this year. See how Fox's name gets brought up so much? How much does he exactly do better than Smith? I think Smith has displayed more than Jackson and Monk too, as far as leadership and taking over the offense consistently goes. I get NC State sucked, but if Fulz can play on a close to equal successful team, don't see why that would matter.

Ok...but what does NC State being trash have to do w/ his 2015 ACL tear. Are you saying if he didn't tear his ACL...and NC State was still trash that he'd be a top 3 pick?

Fox was also a top 5-10 prospect in HS.

I don't get it...both of them are projected to be high-mid lottery picks as they always have been.

 

[MajinZuub]

this

he didn't even play his senior year

and he was a top 2 hs prospect at one point

He definitely played in Adidas Nations his senior season before enrolling early @ NC State. He certainly wasn't some consensus top 2 prospect prior to his injury. That was a top heavy class. Josh Jackson, Giles, Taytum all were bounding around those 1-2 spots in that class.

I think he was better than his pre-college projection this year. See how Fox's name gets brought up so much? How much does he exactly do better than Smith? I think Smith has displayed more than Jackson and Monk too, as far as leadership and taking over the offense consistently goes. I get NC State sucked, but if Fulz can play on a close to equal successful team, don't see why that would matter.

Ok...but what does NC State being trash have to do w/ his 2015 ACL tear. Are you saying if he didn't tear his ACL...and NC State was still trash that he'd be a top 3 pick?

Fox was also a top 5-10 prospect in HS.

I don't get it...both of them are projected to be high lottery picks as they always have been.

When did I equate NC State's failures to his injury? I literally addressed that situation on this same page. Believe it or not, if people don't see you play for a year then see you play on a losing team, it affects mainstream perception. Nobody is throwing his name around like Ball/Fulz/Jackon, hell, even Monk.

 

[tyevvyotcu]

Adidas nation was the summer right before the start of his freshman season
he missed his entire senior season
and he was a consensus top 3 prospect before he got hurt
Giles Tatum and DSJ were the top 3

 

[VARNELL HILL]

When did I equate NC State's failures to his injury? I literally addressed that situation on this same page. Believe it or not, if people don't see you play for a year then see you play on a losing team, it affects mainstream perception. Nobody is throwing his name around like Ball/Fulz/Jackon, hell, even Monk.

what the hell is mainstream perception? Niketalk and the rest of the internet?

We're talking about stock right? As in his standing amongst NBA personnel. How on earth do any of us know how it effected what his "perception" was to them?  These ****** aren't being evaluated and drafted on "mainstream perception" 

Adidas nation was the summer right before the start of his freshman season
he missed his entire senior season
and he was a consensus top 3 prospect before he got hurt
Giles Tatum and DSJ were the top 3

So Josh Jackson was never ranked in the top 3 anywhere at that point huh? 

 

[tyevvyotcu]

josh jackson got buzz towards the end
I remember man lol
Dennis was definitely ranked as the best pg too
above fultz fox and ball

 

[MajinZuub]

When did I equate NC State's failures to his injury? I literally addressed that situation on this same page. Believe it or not, if people don't see you play for a year then see you play on a losing team, it affects mainstream perception. Nobody is throwing his name around like Ball/Fulz/Jackon, hell, even Monk.

what the hell is mainstream perception? Niketalk and the rest of the internet?

We're talking about stock right? As in his standing amongst NBA personnel. How on earth do any of us know how it effected what his "perception" was to them?  

Adidas nation was the summer right before the start of his freshman season

he missed his entire senior season

and he was a consensus top 3 prospect before he got hurt

Giles Tatum and DSJ were the top 3

So Josh Jackson was never ranked in the top 3 anywhere at that point huh? 

How do we know if a torn ACL affected his draft stock to actual pro personnel? Is that what you've been asking this whole time?

Look at Harry Giles

 

[VARNELL HILL]

josh jackson got buzz towards the end
I remember man lol
Dennis was definitely ranked as the best pg too
above fultz fox and ball

This is a snapshot from 247 in May of 2015 prior to Smith's injury

 

[tyevvyotcu]

I was wrong about Jackson and you were wrong about Dennis

 

[VARNELL HILL]

How do we know if a torn ACL affected his draft stock to actual pro personnel? Is that what you've been asking this whole time?

Look at Harry Giles

  Believe it or not, if people don't see you play for a year then see you play on a losing team, it affects mainstream perception

So if you believe the ACL tear did affect his stock to pro personnel...what was the point of bringing up NC State's lack of success? That's why I asked you if you believe it would be different had they won a championship...and you're trying to act like YOU didn't equate the two factors to begin with.

Bottom line...he was a top 5-10 prospect in HS...he's about to be a top 5-10 pick. Show me evidence of his stock dropping. 

This isn't Harry Giles. Smith came back looking just as explosive as he always had. 

 

[MajinZuub]

How do we know if a torn ACL affected his draft stock to actual pro personnel? Is that what you've been asking this whole time?


Look at Harry Giles

  Believe it or not, if people don't see you play for a year then see you play on a losing team, it affects mainstream perception

So if you believe the ACL tear did affect his stock to pro personnel...what was the point of bringing up NC State's lack of success? That's why I asked you if you believe it would be different had they won a championship...and you're trying to act like YOU didn't equate the two factors to begin with.

Bottom line...he was a top 5-10 prospect in HS...he's about to be a top 5-10 pick. Show me evidence of his stock dropping. 

This isn't Harry Giles. Smith came back looking just as explosive as he always had. 

I said their lack of success is a non factor and brought up Fulz as an example to show that the injury mattered because nobody says he is a 1-3 pick right now. I also said their coaching was a big contribution to their lack of success. A college championship a quite an extreme from not making the tournament Stop making the 5 pick equivalent to the 10 pick too 3-5 is a lot different from 5-10. Anyways, drop the debate, you're set on what you think and I'm going to bed Your perception is just different from mine and it's getting redundant.

 

[rook]

Sixers might be in a really good situation. Trading down while acquiring assets/good rotation players and still getting their guy (Monk) is a win win for them.

Can't see anybody after the top two that anybody will trade valuable assets for. I wish this were he case and honestly, knowing how dumb some GM's are, we just might find a trading partner lol

 

[100027]

No they said he is playing PG next year
as if anyone wouldn't take him over anyone in this draft

Not my point. It's just weird usage of "transition" since he hasn't played yet. I'd expect he starts in the role you described from day 1.

 

[B Sox]

You guys are arguing in circles.

 

[stillin729]

Not my point. It's just weird usage of "transition" since he hasn't played yet. I'd expect he starts in the role you described from day 1.

well they said he will play PG this year but I don't see that as his role down the line

that was my point

 

[lovehateself]

We're literally gonna draft whoever falls to us

KP worked out just fine for you guys

 

[100027]

well they said he will play PG this year but I don't see that as his role down the line

that was my point

I see.  Do you still think he'll play PG with this many available in the draft?  Have to think there's a good chance they draft a PG and he just starts as a wing.

I agree can't see him as PG longterm.  Remember they even tried LeBron at PG at first.

 

[Maximus Meridius]

well they said he will play PG this year but I don't see that as his role down the line


that was my point

I see.  Do you still think he'll play PG with this many available in the draft?  Have to think there's a good chance they draft a PG and he just starts as a wing.

I agree can't see him as PG longterm.  Remember they even tried LeBron at PG at first.

I mean Bron is listed as a SF but he's basically been the PG of his teams for years now. Same with Greek Freak right now. I can see Simmons being used in that same role.

 

[frshstunna]

Giles woulda been in the top 3 mix if he was fully healthy...problem is he hasnt been healthy since the end of his soph year in high school and was just rounding back to game form at the end of his time at Duke ...I hope he can avoid the injury bug and be able to stay on an NBA roster at this point

If I was a GM my board would be

Fultz


Jakson
Isaacs
Ball
Smith
Tatum
Monk
Fox
Lauri
Kennard

 

[geno90221]

Giles woulda been in the top 3 mix if he was fully healthy...problem is he hasnt been healthy since the end of his soph year in high school and was just rounding back to game form at the end of his time at Duke

...I hope he can avoid the injury bug and be able to stay on an NBA roster at this point

If I was a GM my board would be

Fultz


Jakson
Isaacs
Ball
Smith
Tatum
Monk
Fox
Lauri
Kennard

Fultz that good to you huh?

 

[frshstunna]

Giles woulda been in the top 3 mix if he was fully healthy...problem is he hasnt been healthy since the end of his soph year in high school and was just rounding back to game form at the end of his time at Duke ...I hope he can avoid the injury bug and be able to stay on an NBA roster at this point


If I was a GM my board would be


Fultz



Jakson

Isaacs

Ball

Smith

Tatum

Monk

Fox

Lauri

Kennard

Fultz that good to you huh?

He just clearly better than the rest of em at this point

 

[wavycrocket]

Did he? He came back from that and was still elite as a senior in HS. Who's radar did he drop off? He went into NC State rated as a top 6-10 prospect and is walking out as a top 10 pick. 

Right. Idk what dudes are even talking about at this point .

 

[mgrand15]

I mean Bron is listed as a SF but he's basically been the PG of his teams for years now. Same with Greek Freak right now. I can see Simmons being used in that same role.

I haven't seen anything out of Simmons that makes me think he'll be good full time on the wing. Ben has a ton of red flags.