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Strengths
Manuel is a big, strong, fast athlete who keeps defenses on their heels. He smoothly executes play fakes and rollouts with precision.
Manuel's delivery is clean and he seems to have natural feel as a passer in the short and intermediate areas of the defense, whether he's throwing a touch pass or a fastball. Manuel isn't always accurate as a deep passer, but he has the arm strength to stretch NFL defenses. While he is a dangerous runner, Manuel doesn't abandon the pocket at the first sign of trouble, but he has good vision and can make strong throws downfield outside of the pocket.

Weaknesses
Manuel hasn't demonstrated that he can patiently go deep into progressions or process defenses at an advanced level. In general, he wasn't asked to do many advanced tasks as a passer at Florida State. He sometimes looks hesitant to pull the trigger and tends to err on the side of taking his checkdown option. Manuel's deep-ball accuracy is very erratic.

Tools
At 6'5", 237 pounds, Manuel is going to be able to be used as a running quarterback without as much fear of injury as a less sturdily built player. He has massive 10-and-three-eighths-inch hands and 35-inch arms that will help with ball security. With 4.65 40 speed, a 34" vertical and excellent lateral agility for a long-limbed athlete, Manuel will instantly be one of the most athletic quarterbacks in the NFL.

Intangibles/Character
Manuel has been a great leader, securing buy-in from his teammates and exhibiting great toughness playing through injuries, including a broken leg in a bowl game. For his entire senior season and the pre-draft season, Manuel's mother has been undergoing treatments for cancer, so he understands enduring adversity. He appeared to be very coachable and intelligent at the Senior Bowl.

System
Manuel can drop the ball in over a linebacker, which is the kind of throw he'll have to master in the pros.
Manuel played in a simplified offense and mostly took his snaps from the shotgun, although he has dropped back enough to show that he can function in that setting and make accurately timed throws. He mostly did his damage as an option quarterback in the running game. His play fakes are very convincing and show that Manuel is not limited to rudimentary plays as a quarterback.

Arm Strength
Manuel throws a flat, tight spiral that gets there in a hurry, but usually not at the expense of accuracy. He can easily uncork a deep ball that goes as far as any quarterback in this class. Manuel is not lacking in natural arm talent.

Accuracy
Manuel's deep-ball accuracy is inconsistent, but when it's good, it's very very good.
Manuel's accuracy on short and intermediate passes is usually very good. He leads receivers for run-after-catch opportunities and has a natural feel for short touch passes, like screens and dumpoffs. He can drop the ball over linebackers in coverage and seems to "know" how to put a ball where he wants to instead of gripping and aiming.
Deep balls are hit-and-miss, although the ball does come down in a perfectly catchable cylinder. Manuel rarely misses badly on short and intermediate throws, but he does tend to miss low when he's throwing to a spot instead of a receiver in stride.

Mechanics
Manuel has a smooth overhand delivery with no discernible hitch. His release is quick and consistent, giving him a good foundation as a passer. He can also change his arm slot when pressured or outside of the pocket. He holds the ball high in the pocket, which is another plus for ball security. Manuel's dropbacks are a bit choppy, with the occasional hesitation at the top of the drop.

Pocket Presence
Manuel struggles here as much as anywhere in his scouting report. He doesn't always read blitzes or feel pressure, even though he is more than capable of eluding or standing tough in the face of oncoming defenders. He does have good instincts as to when it's time to leave the pocket and he's very decisive about flipping the switch to becoming a runner. Before he does that outside of the pocket, Manuel has good field vision on the move and will keep defenses from selling out to swarm him when he is scrambling.
The requisite toughness is there, and Manuel shows signs of good awareness, but his pocket presence will need to mature in the pros.

Mobility
Manuel's size and vision as a runner could make him a good option around the goal line.
Manuel is a good enough athlete to be a very good receiving tight end if he couldn't throw a lick. He has an extra gear as a scrambler and will punish defenses that don't have a spy or pin their ears back and send all of their pass-rushers at him. He has excellent vision as a runner from his time in the option attack.
Manuel is also good at maneuvering within the pocket and employing his athleticism to make his game more dangerous as both a runner and passer.

How Does He Attack Defenses?
At Florida State, Manuel mainly used short, sharp passes in combination with play-action fakes and rollouts to defeat defenses as a passer. As a runner, he produced well on classic option plays and designed runs. When the defenses took him out of those modes, he usually hit his checkdown or scrambled. He hasn't been a sophisticated quarterback, but that doesn't mean that he can't be one at the next level.

Scheme Versatility/Future Role
Manuel obviously fits well in a read-option running game or perhaps a variation of the pistol-formation offense that Mike and Kyle Shanahan installed in Washington for Robert Griffin III. Even if he can't handle much more complexity, this NFL season showed that at least initially, a quarterback's job can be made a lot easier by forcing the defense to play 11-on-11 football and account for the quarterback as a runner on all plays.

 
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lock this garbage up....sorry rayray :lol

:D

telling you guys... watch video on him... his game will translate to the NFL quick.

imagine a Big Ben type thrower, but with Kapernick reads, and Russell Wilson speed.

plus, it helps having CJ Spiller to hand the ball off to
 
Ill reserve my judgement until after his first couple of games.
 
Curious to see how this turns out... Him being the only QB drafted in the 1st round & the Bills trading their OG pick for a later pick plus additional picks makes for a good story though :lol
 
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telling you guys... watch video on him... his game will translate to the NFL quick.

imagine a Big Ben type thrower, but with Kapernick reads, and Russell Wilson speed.

plus, it helps having CJ Spiller to hand the ball off to

Watched this dude throughout college...On paper dude is a beast...in reality he is less than the sum of his parts. He has all the tools but somehow can't seem to live up to his physical gifts. He is fast but doesn't like to run...he has a big arm but his delivery is slow and high...he's tall but can't seem to get past his first or second read...

Bottom line...the bills blew it. This guy is a career backup, AT BEST
 
In general, he wasn't asked to do many advanced tasks as a passer at Florida State

Wrong.
Manuel played in a simplified offense

Wrong.

He mostly did his damage as an option quarterback in the running game.

Wrong.

He does have good instincts as to when it's time to leave the pocket and he's very decisive about flipping the switch to becoming a runner.

Wrong.


When the defenses took him out of those modes, he usually hit his checkdown

Wrong.

At Florida State, Manuel mainly used short, sharp passes in combination with play-action fakes and rollouts to defeat defenses as a passer.

Wrong.

Manuel obviously fits well in a read-option running game

Wrong.

Love your enthusiasm about my man EJ tho. :smokin
 
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In general, he wasn't asked to do many advanced tasks as a passer at Florida State
Wrong.
Manuel played in a simplified offense
Wrong.
He mostly did his damage as an option quarterback in the running game.
Wrong.
He does have good instincts as to when it's time to leave the pocket and he's very decisive about flipping the switch to becoming a runner.
Wrong.

When the defenses took him out of those modes, he usually hit his checkdown
Wrong.
At Florida State, Manuel mainly used short, sharp passes in combination with play-action fakes and rollouts to defeat defenses as a passer.
Wrong.
Manuel obviously fits well in a read-option running game
Wrong.

Love your enthusiasm about my man EJ tho.
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imagine a Big Ben type thrower, but with Kapernick reads, and Russell Wilson speed.
Wait, am I correct to assume that this sentence insinuates that Russell Wilson is faster than Kaepernick?

I would love EJ Manuel to turn out to be a star.......I just dont think he will.
 
:hat EJ

Happy for a Seminole... but glad he didn't get drafted to my team :lol

Same for Ponder
 
If a QB coach is able to get his ability on the grease board to translate in the field then he has a shot to be good. That was the main problem in college. Even w/ private one on one sessions ( seperate from the normal QB film reviews & meetings) Jimbo wasn't able to get it out of him on the field
 
He's your savior like geno is ours lol we are defiantly fighting for not the bottom of the divisions ..
 
If a QB coach is able to get his ability on the grease board to translate in the field then he has a shot to be good. That was the main problem in college. Even w/ private one on one sessions ( seperate from the normal QB film reviews & meetings) Jimbo wasn't able to get it out of him on the field

so what we saw at FSU wasn't even him playing at his best? this kid has potential to be scary good
 
Jameis Winston trying to tell yal





In all seriousness, want to see him do well since he's a Seminole, but glad he isn't doing it on my team. He needs to stop trying to make the perfect throw by putting so much touch on it and just trust his arm and gun it to the WRs. Physical talent is there, just gotta get the mental side down.
 
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I have no idea how the Bills made this pick. I saw quite few FSU games over the last 2 years and I just don't see what people are saying about this guy. Everything they are saying is about his potential, but you don't see any of that on film. This pick has bust written all over it. Reminds me of the Vikings reaching up for Christian Ponder.
 
Jameis up to like 220 now :{ :hat

EJ being drafted isn't really like Ponder
 
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