The possibility of living forever. Edit: Video on page 2

[jonbx5]

thats one other thing we probably cant afford to live for that long

 

[jonbx5]

thats one other thing we probably cant afford to live for that long

 

[Clyde Frog]

Originally Posted by kilojules64

Originally Posted by Jay02



Seriously doe, this Avatar world better exist before I die. Im alll for dat.

It's never going to exist the way it exists in Avatar the movie like you referenced.
You can program the avatars in project lifelike to behave like you and say the things you would've said, but you're going to be oblivious to all of this because you're dead, not like in Avatar where you are actually experiencing life WITH your avatar. We can't even make a map of the neural networks of our brains detailed enough to decipher basic human thought with an MRI or EEG scan yet, so preserving your actual, functioning brain is definitely impossible, and therein lies the problem. That project isn't about immortality for the person's sake, it's about the immortality of the person's ideas for the sake of others.

From what I watched its more like it then you think. I suggest you take a peek. And for the record the word impossible is nothing but an exaggeration, everything is possible. People 100 years ago were saying flying was impossible. Now we're traveling the world with ease, and have been to outerspace many times.
Anything is possible. The digital world is coming, and its gonna be something else. Virtual reality is not far away either.

Originally Posted by j1mmych0o

even if they replace the major organs, would the rest of the body still age? 

whats the use if your a 150 year old person with all new organs? you would still be old and wrinkly

In the doc i watched they said they could create real human skin so maybe not. Not sure though.

I found the doc on youtube its a few posts below.

The 1st video is building organs, 2nd is genetics i think, and the third video is about the avatar life stuff

 

[Clyde Frog]

Originally Posted by kilojules64

Originally Posted by Jay02



Seriously doe, this Avatar world better exist before I die. Im alll for dat.

It's never going to exist the way it exists in Avatar the movie like you referenced.
You can program the avatars in project lifelike to behave like you and say the things you would've said, but you're going to be oblivious to all of this because you're dead, not like in Avatar where you are actually experiencing life WITH your avatar. We can't even make a map of the neural networks of our brains detailed enough to decipher basic human thought with an MRI or EEG scan yet, so preserving your actual, functioning brain is definitely impossible, and therein lies the problem. That project isn't about immortality for the person's sake, it's about the immortality of the person's ideas for the sake of others.

From what I watched its more like it then you think. I suggest you take a peek. And for the record the word impossible is nothing but an exaggeration, everything is possible. People 100 years ago were saying flying was impossible. Now we're traveling the world with ease, and have been to outerspace many times.
Anything is possible. The digital world is coming, and its gonna be something else. Virtual reality is not far away either.

Originally Posted by j1mmych0o

even if they replace the major organs, would the rest of the body still age? 

whats the use if your a 150 year old person with all new organs? you would still be old and wrinkly

In the doc i watched they said they could create real human skin so maybe not. Not sure though.

I found the doc on youtube its a few posts below.

The 1st video is building organs, 2nd is genetics i think, and the third video is about the avatar life stuff

 

[g14]

I WOULD WANT TO LIVE FOREVER!

 

[g14]

I WOULD WANT TO LIVE FOREVER!

 

[Clyde Frog]

 

[Clyde Frog]

 

[Clyde Frog]

 

[Clyde Frog]

 

[dynamics82]

Transcendent Man is a good watch too

 

[dynamics82]

Transcendent Man is a good watch too

 

[Clyde Frog]

I also wanna talk about the idea of hibernating which will be possible. Would that change your guys thoughts on living forever? Waking up years later like whoa thats cool, whoa when did that come out, whoa thats even cooler ive never seen that before.

It could maybe keep you interested in life, while taking breaks.

Im all for that. Im just saying it better happen before I die and just not exist for eternity. Like what if the technology of living forever happened a year after i died. Just missed the cutoff so instead of living forever im dead forever not being in heaven cause God aint real. Well at least any god that we made up cause there aint nothing about living forever, building organs, manipulating genes, creating avatar words in the bible.

 

[Clyde Frog]

I also wanna talk about the idea of hibernating which will be possible. Would that change your guys thoughts on living forever? Waking up years later like whoa thats cool, whoa when did that come out, whoa thats even cooler ive never seen that before.

It could maybe keep you interested in life, while taking breaks.

Im all for that. Im just saying it better happen before I die and just not exist for eternity. Like what if the technology of living forever happened a year after i died. Just missed the cutoff so instead of living forever im dead forever not being in heaven cause God aint real. Well at least any god that we made up cause there aint nothing about living forever, building organs, manipulating genes, creating avatar words in the bible.

 

[chicagokid23]

check out the tv series New Amsterdam
and the movie The Man From Earth good watch also deals with the living forever theme

 

[chicagokid23]

check out the tv series New Amsterdam
and the movie The Man From Earth good watch also deals with the living forever theme

 

[kilojules64]

Originally Posted by Jay02

Originally Posted by kilojules64

Originally Posted by Jay02



Seriously doe, this Avatar world better exist before I die. Im alll for dat.

It's never going to exist the way it exists in Avatar the movie like you referenced.
You can program the avatars in project lifelike to behave like you and say the things you would've said, but you're going to be oblivious to all of this because you're dead, not like in Avatar where you are actually experiencing life WITH your avatar. We can't even make a map of the neural networks of our brains detailed enough to decipher basic human thought with an MRI or EEG scan yet, so preserving your actual, functioning brain is definitely impossible, and therein lies the problem. That project isn't about immortality for the person's sake, it's about the immortality of the person's ideas for the sake of others.

From what I watched its more like it then you think. I suggest you take a peek. And for the record the word impossible is nothing but an exaggeration, everything is possible. People 100 years ago were saying flying was impossible. Now we're traveling the world with ease, and have been to outerspace many times.
Anything is possible. The digital world is coming, and its gonna be something else. Virtual reality is not far away either.

I've been familiar with project lifelike for a while now, one of my high school physics teachers did a stint at UIC, and I've seen this and probably at least 200 other NOVA episodes

trust me, the avatar does not have a brain, it is just programmed to act like the individual and process interactions, it's not made to process new thoughts the same way the person would've developed their thoughts even. Jason Leigh himself has described it as "behaviors which are built into an artificial intelligence system".
Also, no one thought flying was impossible 100 years ago. The first flight carrying a human passenger was over 100 years ago and hugely publicized

Can you name a credible physicist who thought flying would never be possible? There is documentation of rudimentary aircraft drawings dating back more than 2 millennia, so even if they didn't have the means they were definitely thinking it was possible.

*Edit: Apparently, I forgot to make my point at the end there

Basically, a lot of things that people think are impossible could be possible, you're right, but not for a civilization at our point on the Kardashev Scale. When we're able to harness the sun's full power, 4 x 10 to the 26th mechanical work units (W), then I'll recant the impossible statement

 

[kilojules64]

Originally Posted by Jay02

Originally Posted by kilojules64

Originally Posted by Jay02



Seriously doe, this Avatar world better exist before I die. Im alll for dat.

It's never going to exist the way it exists in Avatar the movie like you referenced.
You can program the avatars in project lifelike to behave like you and say the things you would've said, but you're going to be oblivious to all of this because you're dead, not like in Avatar where you are actually experiencing life WITH your avatar. We can't even make a map of the neural networks of our brains detailed enough to decipher basic human thought with an MRI or EEG scan yet, so preserving your actual, functioning brain is definitely impossible, and therein lies the problem. That project isn't about immortality for the person's sake, it's about the immortality of the person's ideas for the sake of others.

From what I watched its more like it then you think. I suggest you take a peek. And for the record the word impossible is nothing but an exaggeration, everything is possible. People 100 years ago were saying flying was impossible. Now we're traveling the world with ease, and have been to outerspace many times.
Anything is possible. The digital world is coming, and its gonna be something else. Virtual reality is not far away either.

I've been familiar with project lifelike for a while now, one of my high school physics teachers did a stint at UIC, and I've seen this and probably at least 200 other NOVA episodes

trust me, the avatar does not have a brain, it is just programmed to act like the individual and process interactions, it's not made to process new thoughts the same way the person would've developed their thoughts even. Jason Leigh himself has described it as "behaviors which are built into an artificial intelligence system".
Also, no one thought flying was impossible 100 years ago. The first flight carrying a human passenger was over 100 years ago and hugely publicized

Can you name a credible physicist who thought flying would never be possible? There is documentation of rudimentary aircraft drawings dating back more than 2 millennia, so even if they didn't have the means they were definitely thinking it was possible.

*Edit: Apparently, I forgot to make my point at the end there

Basically, a lot of things that people think are impossible could be possible, you're right, but not for a civilization at our point on the Kardashev Scale. When we're able to harness the sun's full power, 4 x 10 to the 26th mechanical work units (W), then I'll recant the impossible statement

 

[cryptikman]

http://learn.genetics.utah.edu/content/begin/traits/telomeres/

Pretty basic intro for those willing to spend the time.

 

[cryptikman]

http://learn.genetics.utah.edu/content/begin/traits/telomeres/

Pretty basic intro for those willing to spend the time.

 

[scshift]

Unless I don't age, forget about living forever. I'd probably feel like a shell when I'm 40, cause I know right now I'm young and fast and smart. Being old, weak, frail and mentally lacking is discerning.

 

[scshift]

Unless I don't age, forget about living forever. I'd probably feel like a shell when I'm 40, cause I know right now I'm young and fast and smart. Being old, weak, frail and mentally lacking is discerning.

 

[kiendienn]

Internal organs are one of the easier organs to recreate and replace, but then think about muscles, bones, your brain, etc. That's a lot of maintenance and some very intense operations.

 

[kiendienn]

Internal organs are one of the easier organs to recreate and replace, but then think about muscles, bones, your brain, etc. That's a lot of maintenance and some very intense operations.

 

[Clyde Frog]

Originally Posted by kilojules64

Originally Posted by Jay02

Originally Posted by kilojules64


It's never going to exist the way it exists in Avatar the movie like you referenced.
You can program the avatars in project lifelike to behave like you and say the things you would've said, but you're going to be oblivious to all of this because you're dead, not like in Avatar where you are actually experiencing life WITH your avatar. We can't even make a map of the neural networks of our brains detailed enough to decipher basic human thought with an MRI or EEG scan yet, so preserving your actual, functioning brain is definitely impossible, and therein lies the problem. That project isn't about immortality for the person's sake, it's about the immortality of the person's ideas for the sake of others.

From what I watched its more like it then you think. I suggest you take a peek. And for the record the word impossible is nothing but an exaggeration, everything is possible. People 100 years ago were saying flying was impossible. Now we're traveling the world with ease, and have been to outerspace many times.
Anything is possible. The digital world is coming, and its gonna be something else. Virtual reality is not far away either.

I've been familiar with project lifelike for a while now, one of my high school physics teachers did a stint at UIC, and I've seen this and probably at least 200 other NOVA episodes

trust me, the avatar does not have a brain, it is just programmed to act like the individual and process interactions, it's not made to process new thoughts the same way the person would've developed their thoughts even. Jason Leigh himself has described it as "behaviors which are built into an artificial intelligence system".
Also, no one thought flying was impossible 100 years ago. The first flight carrying a human passenger was over 100 years ago and hugely publicized

Can you name a credible physicist who thought flying would never be possible? There is documentation of rudimentary aircraft drawings dating back more than 2 millennia, so even if they didn't have the means they were definitely thinking it was possible.

*Edit: Apparently, I forgot to make my point at the end there

Basically, a lot of things that people think are impossible could be possible, you're right, but not for a civilization at our point on the Kardashev Scale. When we're able to harness the sun's full power, 4 x 10 to the 26th mechanical work units (W), then I'll recant the impossible statement

I never thought the Avatar idea had your actual working brain. But I still think what they've come up with is pretty remarkable. I was just saying that theres no reason to think having one with a brain is impossible. 
I see what your saying with knowing whats impossible and possible seeing that we are alot more advanced now then before. But anything can be discovered at anytime so thats why im not ruling an avatar with your brain being impossible. 

Im gonna be replacing my self with brand new organs, and manipulate my genes until I live long enough for an Avatar with a brain to be discovered, then call it quits on a physically real life and move on to the virtual digital life or what ever it is. Dats my plan