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Student apathy is one of the biggest battles we deal with here Belgium Belgium .

This is a teacher I follow, he tells good stories.

Examples of the stuff that happens here.






It really seems parents need reminding its not teachers job to save these kids from themselves. I'd go as far as to say stop making it legally mandatory for these kids to go to school.
 
This school conversation is going to come back to parent accountability, and that's where it always gets really interesting. That's when the ducking & diving & dodging really starts happening.
 
It really seems parents need reminding its not teachers job to save these kids from themselves. I'd go as far as to say stop making it legally mandatory for these kids to go to school.
Teachers/schools will always be the scapegoat for these social troubles these kids/families face.

Schools don't have enough control/resources to do as much as folks think they should be doing.
 
Student apathy is one of the biggest battles we deal with here Belgium Belgium .

This is a teacher I follow, he tells good stories.

Examples of the stuff that happens here.







Student apathy is my biggest hurdle at this point.

This is year 7 for me and the difference in students now to just 5 years ago is insane. It doesn't matter the population you're working with either.
 
It's your job to make sure students are engaged/interested!!!!

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I teach extracurricular AP's most of my students are juniors/seniors. I'm not begging them to do their work lol. I will bend over backwards for the ones that care and need help but if you don't at least meet me halfway I let the rope go.

Especially this part of the year. I give everyone a chance but around January I stop reminding and let what happens happens. I tried.
 
I don't think we have a universal policy here but the way my school handled 'rulebreaking' was with progressively increased detention. If detention and parent-teacher conferences didn't work, they'd involve a subsection of child protective services that have the authority to take kids away and put them in temporary rehabilitation facilities. You don't really have much of a choice there than to study properly. I briefly interned at one of those facilities as part of Behavioral Sciences class in my final year of highschool so I kinda got a glimpse at what it's like over there.
For what it's worth, the students there seemed to be pretty nice overall and clearly improved a lot from the initial reason they were put in there. The ones I remember ranged from chronic truancy to youth crime (assault, drugdealing, drug addiction, ...).
They get class there and individualized psychological treatment throughout the week to help them become a well adjusted student. It's a heavily subsidized government program.



Overall they were very lenient though I'd say. I frequently got detention for refusing to do my homework on time, which basically amounted to community service. You'd have to help the cleaning staff clean the entire school grounds for either 1 hour after Friday's school ends, or an entire Wednesday afternoon on your third time getting detention.
My school of around 3500 students was literally segregated between A levels, B levels and C levels education and students in different tiers technically we weren't allowed to mingle. The amount of violations in B and especially C levels was significantly higher but over in A levels it was pretty peaceful.

I was literally one of the only people in A levels to get regular detention and it was for my stubborn refusal to do homework. There were some very minor incidents along the way like students smoking weed on the sports grounds during lunch but that only resulted in a parent-teacher intervention and 3 Wednesday afternoons of detention.
During our tradition of the graduation festival, some students in my year vandalized the school grounds with spraypaint and they didn't get kicked out or anything. They didn't involve the cops as far as I know but did give them 2 full weeks of summer detention and forced them to meticulously fix all the damage.

A levels was squeeky clean, relatively speaking, but the lower education tiers had significantly more bad apples figures involved in street ****. Probably the most notorious example were the sons of a local Italian maffia family who ran prostitution, drugs and murder for hire in Ghent.
As far as I know they were well behaved kids but one day they all disappeared when their father (who headed the maffia family) executed his own brother with a gunshot to the back of the head and fled to Colombia.

The rest of the family is still around actually. Apparently the brother's execution was part of some kind of power struggle. My area of small rural towns is about as peaceful as it gets but there's a particular slightly larger city with a population of ~20k that's a huge crime anomaly in the broader area. That powerful maffia family resides there and they clearly have some local enemies there too.

The type of **** that goes on there is something you normally only see in the Antwerp harbor area, which is the country's cocaine trafficking hub.
I assume it's all centered around this local maffia family, there's no reason such a small town should be experiencing the occasional driveby shooting, hitman executions or even grenades thrown out of cars. The latter is the type of **** you only see in Antwerp. For some reason the cocaine traffickers there in recent years decided to lessen the use of guns in favor of just chucking grenades at people and buildings.
Idk what the deal is with grenades there all of a sudden. Chucking grenades only became a thing in like the last 5 years or so.
 
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DCAllAfrican DCAllAfrican and other teacher whose sn I can remember. How is this possible?


“A Connecticut student who graduated with honors in June is now suing her former high school, claiming she can't read or write and is failing college as a result of her alma mater's poor curriculum.”

And now in addition to not being able to read or write, she’s gonna put herself into debt with this ridiculous lawsuit.

If you’re failing college, that’s 100% on YOU. How did you even get accepted into said college? So she used apps to take tests in high school? Was that legal or was she cheating on tests and assignments? No way in hell she wins this lawsuit, unless she has evidence of the school doing something illegal.


“I’m not succeeding in this separate thing because I used my phone to pass this other thing, now you owe me money.” FOH
 
“A Connecticut student who graduated with honors in June is now suing her former high school, claiming she can't read or write and is failing college as a result of her alma mater's poor curriculum.”

And now in addition to not being able to read or write, she’s gonna put herself into debt with this ridiculous lawsuit.

If you’re failing college, that’s 100% on YOU. How did you even get accepted into said college? So she used apps to take tests in high school? Was that legal or was she cheating on tests and assignments? No way in hell she wins this lawsuit, unless she has evidence of the school doing something illegal.


“I’m not succeeding in this separate thing because I used my phone to pass this other thing, now you owe me money.” FOH
Yeah she's literally admitting in her own lawsuit that she cheated the system.
I guess her argument is the school was negligent in failing to prevent her from just cheating her way through? I really don't see what other angle she could possibly take.
Her lawyer(s) must've had a big smile when they get paid for what is literally just a lolsuit that'll instantly get laughed out of court. Any lawyers probably had to contain their laughter when she approached them with this bs.

"I cheated my way through highschool and thus I lack basic skills" -> It's the school's fault -> The school should pay me damages because I cheated
What a genius argument.

If I'm being honest, I do think she has some potential for... something?
Not sure what that could be but I honestly find it lowkey impressive she apparently managed to fool everyone for such an extended period of time.
That sounds like the kind of traits that could be useful for sleazy sales jobs etc.
Or criminal activities.
 
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“A Connecticut student who graduated with honors in June is now suing her former high school, claiming she can't read or write and is failing college as a result of her alma mater's poor curriculum.”

And now in addition to not being able to read or write, she’s gonna put herself into debt with this ridiculous lawsuit.

If you’re failing college, that’s 100% on YOU. How did you even get accepted into said college? So she used apps to take tests in high school? Was that legal or was she cheating on tests and assignments? No way in hell she wins this lawsuit, unless she has evidence of the school doing something illegal.


“I’m not succeeding in this separate thing because I used my phone to pass this other thing, now you owe me money.” FOH
She really could've just kept cheating. Depending on what she went to she choose to major in she could've faked it all the way through. I know people have done it before.
 
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