THEE OFFICIAL 2019-2020 NBA OFFSEASON THREAD: VICTORY LAP

[B Sox]

4 straight finals and 2 rings is impressive. Bron should've gotten the job done in 2011 for a 3 peat but that’s about the max they could’ve accomplished. That team was cooked in 2014, then the warriors emerged 2015, and the rest is history. I hope y’all aren’t taking the presser to heart about winning “not 1, not 2, not 3, not 4...”

THEY clearly are

 

[Zo gif]

Laker fans should understand year 4 fatigue and sometimes you have to figure it out after year 1

 

[amitt5504]

It wasn't one before that? It's in Miami

Prior to Bron no lol Wasn’t no one trying to come to Miami willingly especially those 2 years after Shaq lol

 

[king j]

It’s weird because the conversation at hand is the Miami Heat, an entire team, not LeBron James

Exactly. Can't even discuss expectations vs reality without the capes coming out.

Come on dawg y’all ain’t slick at all

 

[niceshoes247]

Again?
seriously?

 

[Cashflow]

Come on dawg y’all ain’t slick at all

Your issues with MVP aside. What exactly is there to be slick about right now?

The discussion at hand is whether or not the MIAMI HEAT underachieved?

Y'all came in here capes out as if someone was coming for LeBron James' head and the conversation was about him. It's weird when y'all do that.

 

[storm2006]

(Forget COVID Happened) Hypothetically speaking, if on 09/23/2019, Ben Simmons claimed, "The 76ers will win the title this year" and they didn't, would we base our exceptions of the 76ers chances simply on what HE said? Would HIS words not being accurate determine whether or not we view the season as a success or failure?

Saying the 4 year run as a whole is a disappointment/failure is definitely some #NTExtremes.

A lot of good discussion but I think lawdog1 ’s post sums up my take on it. Aside from the Not 1, Not 2, etc. parade, there was a very strong sentiment at the time that the Heatles would be a dominant dynasty. They won two out of four which isn’t easy and I wouldn’t say the South Beach venture was a failure but it was disappointing based on what myself and a lot of other people expected. You can still have a high level of success while being disappointing. EYE do not say that as a damning statement.

So DC, if Ben Simmons said that it would be completely different because an overwhelming percentage of people would not expect that or back it up. EYE also think it’s unrealistic which is another major differentiator In this discussion.

 

[DCAllAfrican]

A lot of good discussion but I think lawdog1 ’s post sums up my take on it. Aside from the Not 1, Not 2, etc. parade, there was a very strong sentiment at the time that the Heatles would be a dominant dynasty.

Why can't 2/4 (4 Straight Finals) be considered a Dominant Dynasty though?

 

[Cashflow]

A lot of good discussion but I think lawdog1 ’s post sums up my take on it. Aside from the Not 1, Not 2, etc. parade, there was a very strong sentiment at the time that the Heatles would be a dominant dynasty. They won two out of four which isn’t easy and I wouldn’t say the South Beach venture was a failure but it was disappointing based on what myself and a lot of other people expected. You can still have a high level of success while being disappointing. EYE do not say that as a damning statement.

So DC, if Ben said that it would be completely different because an overwhelming percentage of people would not expect that or back it up. EYE also think it’s unrealistic which is another major differentiator In this discussion.

Period.

The way that the Golden State Warriors get talked about and rolled through everyone is the way EVERYONE (except apparently a few of you Nostradamus') expected out of the Heatles.

They were supposed to be the team of the decade and run off a couple championship runs.

 

[QU!K]

Spurs never won b2b but are considered a dynasty

 

[dman14]

if i recall, heats were heavy preseason favorites to win it all during bron years (very similar to the warriors with kd) according to odds makers

 

[MVP]

The fact that group only lasted 4 seasons sums up how they fell below expectations. Bron was on the 1st thing smoking outta there the moment he had a chance to opt out.

 

[addict4sneakers]

Why can't 2/4 (4 Straight Finals) be considered a Dominant Dynasty though?

2 bad finals losses. In the past 20 years, where do we rank the Heat dynasty?

warriors
00-04 Lakers

Pick a spurs run

Heat
Kobe lakers

Celtics
Pistons

 

[storm2006]

Why can't 2/4 (4 Straight Finals) be considered a Dominant Dynasty though?

It can be but for reference if you look at QU!K ‘s post, I would be curious if you considered any of those teams that repeated a “dominant dynasty”

Spurs never won b2b but are considered a dynasty

5/7 over 15 years is different than 2/4 over 4 years but you knew this

 

[DCAllAfrican]

Spurs never won b2b but are considered a dynasty

There is no clear cut definition of Dynasty, so CAN they be considered one? (Spurs)

 

[DCAllAfrican]

It can be but for reference if you look at QU!K ‘s post, I would be curious if you considered any of those teams that repeated a “dominant dynasty”



5/7 over 15 years is different than 2/4 over 4 years but you knew this

We need a definition of what "Dominant Dynasty" even means before we move any further.

 

[MVP]

2 bad finals losses. In the past 20 years, where do we rank the Heat dynasty?

warriors
00-04 Lakers

Pick a spurs run

Heat
Kobe lakers

Celtics
Pistons

1. Kobe/Shaq Lakers (3 outta 4, 3 peat, 01 run legendary)
2. Warriors (3 outta 5, 17 run legendary)
3. Spurs (only cause they never won b2b which all dynasties have) but I guess their 3 in 5 is hard to ignore
4. Heatles
5. Kobe/Pau Lakers

 

[akajae]

honestly the "light years ahead" Warriors are more of a disappointment.

Only won 1. Needed KD for the other two. shame.

 

[addict4sneakers]

1. Kobe/Shaq Lakers
2. Warriors
3. Spurs (only cause they never won b2b which all dynasties have) but I guess their 3 in 5 is hard to ignore
4. Heatles
5. Kobe/Pau Lakers

if you’re factoring in finals losses, sure the Kobe/Shaq Lakers were better. But in the bigger picture they weren’t better.

this ain’t the argument though.

 

[akajae]

they won’t remember Jamal Crawford’s contributions. Do you remember what Mitch Richmond did? Or Adam Morrison?

 

[storm2006]

We need a definition of what "Dominant Dynasty" even means before we move any further.

I am aware it was my wording by for simplicity let’s remove the dominant. I still think the conversation would require a definition of dynasty for you proceed.

 

[Cashflow]

And the Heat have been vulnerable in each of their three playoff runs. They’ve faced five elimination games combined in their two title runs, already tied for the second-most among the 31 distinct teams that have either repeated or three-peated. Only the Rockets of the mid-1990s, repeat champions, faced more elimination games among all 31 of those repeaters and three-peaters. The Bulls faced only two elimination games combined over six title seasons, and the Detroit Bad Boys went to the brink just once during their repeat run. And here’s a cool bit of historical trivia: The Chicago repeat bridging 1995-96 and 1996-97 is the only run of back-to-back titles to not feature even a single elimination game. All hail MJ!

The Heat are a middling team when placed within the league’s loftiest historical conversations. Their .696 postseason winning percentage (32-14) over their two title runs ranks 17th among those 31 repeat/three-peat winners, and 12 of the 14 teams below them on the list are iterations of the 1960s Celtics — teams that played when the postseason comprised just three rounds, allowing for less win padding. Five elimination games over two seasons is a ton for a dynastic team. The Heat do better in terms of point differential; they’ve outscored opponents by about 6.76 points per game over the last two postseasons, a figure that would rank 11th among those 31 multi-championship squads.

- Zach Lowe

 

[MVP]

if you’re factoring in finals losses, sure the Kobe/Shaq Lakers were better. But in the bigger picture they weren’t better.

this ain’t the argument though.

Are you talking about talent? Clearly overall the KD Dubs were the most talented team ever assembled but I thought we are just going by accomplishments. That's still the last team to 3 peat, think that ends up being the trump card.

 

[DCAllAfrican]

I am aware it was my wording by for simplicity let’s remove the dominant. I still think the conversation would require a definition of dynasty for you proceed.

What is the definition of Dynasty in Sports?

Why can't Heatles be considered a Dynasty?

 

[MVP]

And the Heat have been vulnerable in each of their three playoff runs. They’ve faced five elimination games combined in their two title runs, already tied for the second-most among the 31 distinct teams that have either repeated or three-peated. Only the Rockets of the mid-1990s, repeat champions, faced more elimination games among all 31 of those repeaters and three-peaters. The Bulls faced only two elimination games combined over six title seasons, and the Detroit Bad Boys went to the brink just once during their repeat run. And here’s a cool bit of historical trivia: The Chicago repeat bridging 1995-96 and 1996-97 is the only run of back-to-back titles to not feature even a single elimination game. All hail MJ!

The Heat are a middling team when placed within the league’s loftiest historical conversations. Their .696 postseason winning percentage (32-14) over their two title runs ranks 17th among those 31 repeat/three-peat winners, and 12 of the 14 teams below them on the list are iterations of the 1960s Celtics — teams that played when the postseason comprised just three rounds, allowing for less win padding. Five elimination games over two seasons is a ton for a dynastic team. The Heat do better in terms of point differential; they’ve outscored opponents by about 6.76 points per game over the last two postseasons, a figure that would rank 11th among those 31 multi-championship squads.

- Zach Lowe

Heh