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[HNL HI]

was reading a article about the Chargers relocation and didnt realize this.

The Chargers, Rams and Raiders agreed to a “flip tax” way back when this was all being negotiated.

Bottom line: If the Spanos family sold the Chargers before 2021, they would have to give 20 percent of the revenue from the sale to their fellow owners.

If Spanos waited until after 2020 to sell, the penalty drops to 10 percent. After five years, it begins a de-escalation of one percent a year for 10 years.

 

[Johnny_Cakes]

was reading a article about the Chargers relocation and didnt realize this.

That's interesting... was this something Mark was concerned about dealing with?

 

[HNL HI]

That's interesting... was this something Mark was concerned about dealing with?

not sure, just thought it was crazy that if they did sell they would have to share

 

[Johnny_Cakes]

That may reflect that a resale of one of those teams was in mind when deciding this. If Mark decided he'd rather be free to sell his stake in the Raiders without giving up a percentage then electing to allow the Chargers to take LA makes sense.

 

[Deleted member 185039]

Gareon Conley is Charles Woodson reborn?

 

[monstar]

Gareon Conley is Charles Woodson reborn?

What makes you say that

 

[njavier03]

I'll that that or Asamougha

 

[Johnny_Cakes]

What makes you say that

Because he only owns so much of the Raiders. After the move to Vegas the Raiders will be worth likely closer to double what they're at now. That's what new stadiums do. If Mark wanted to protect his ability to earn as much off the team as possible then a sale in LA would net him significantly less than in Vegas.

More to the point, we have to ask ourselves this: why would there be any "flip tax" discussion between the teams at all? The owners care about the valuations of their teams. They want to maximize their return on investment.

 

[HNL HI]

Would have to think the team would be worth a lot more in L.A.

 

[Johnny_Cakes]

Would have to think the team would be worth a lot more in L.A.

I would imagine depending on the investment Mark makes into the Vegas stadium that he stands to earn more in valuation of the Raiders than he would as a tenant in Los Angeles.

Someone who has a background in business, please educate me if I'm off base here.

 

[HNL HI]

It's a little different but if you look at a team like the Clippers who never even done **** and is renting Staples from the Kings and sharing with another NBA team went for 2 bill.

 

[Johnny_Cakes]

It's a little different but if you look at a team like the Clippers who never even done **** and is renting Staples from the Kings and sharing with another NBA team went for 2 bill.

And even then, they're looking to have their own arena next to Stan in Inglewood. I'm near certain it has to do with Ballmer wanting to make them more valuable (and being able to make this venture for himself an inarguable profit), but again, I welcome someone studied in sports economics to school me.

 

[HNL HI]

sure being the only team in a stadium is ideal but location is still king. it's estimated the Chargers increased their worth by 1 billion just moving to L.A.

 

[Johnny_Cakes]

A billion more just to move two hours north, amazing.

 

[monstar]

Move 2 hours north to the city of fairweather ( as far as football) fans live and thrive. Alll it takes is a run of a few bad years for both thw chargers and rams then it will be a different tunw all over again like in the past. The nfl is set on making it work no matter the cost.

I still dont get how moving to vegas is more valuable then remaining in oakland.i get the new stadium but vegas is literally the dessert and only survives and thrives based off toursim. No tourism and vegas gets ugly real fast think back to 08-10

 

[sohi 23]

The A's news this week made me so mad. If the NFL had only delayed the vote 1 more year, it would've been way harder to leave. The Warriors & A's are both leaving the arena grounds and that entire area could've been repurposed solely for the Raiders. The raiders could've played in Santa Clara for 2 years while they tore down and redid the stadium (including the surrounding areas... that spot has nothing and some malls/houses/development would've changed the entire area and bought in massive profits). The news this week made me kinda mad all over again

 

[raider5]

The A's news this week made me so mad. If the NFL had only delayed the vote 1 more year, it would've been way harder to leave. The Warriors & A's are both leaving the arena grounds and that entire area could've been repurposed solely for the Raiders. The raiders could've played in Santa Clara for 2 years while they tore down and redid the stadium (including the surrounding areas... that spot has nothing and some malls/houses/development would've changed the entire area and bought in massive profits). The news this week made me kinda mad all over again

Me too, bro. Me too.

 

[Deleted member 185039]

The A's news this week made me so mad. If the NFL had only delayed the vote 1 more year, it would've been way harder to leave. The Warriors & A's are both leaving the arena grounds and that entire area could've been repurposed solely for the Raiders. The raiders could've played in Santa Clara for 2 years while they tore down and redid the stadium (including the surrounding areas... that spot has nothing and some malls/houses/development would've changed the entire area and bought in massive profits). The news this week made me kinda mad all over again

Hindsight is 20/20 my friend.

 

[Deleted member 185039]

 

[Thats My Word]

Thompson: Marshawn Lynch coming home is much bigger than just football
Theater No. 9 at the AMC Bay Street was all but full, and a line of people waiting to get in partially blocked the entrance to the women's bathroom. The free screening of “War for the Planet of the Apes” — part of the Fam 1st Family Foundation's week of activities — wouldn't start until the host said a few words. But Marshawn Lynch wasn't in the theater.

He was in the building, walking around like a regular customer in a red shirt and red shorts. But he wasn't in the theater because he was busy fellowshipping. In a nook by the bar, he was helping a youngster, who looked to be about 7, count some money. The kid messed up and Lynch, hovering over him, made him start over.

Finally, Lynch came into the theater and stood along the wall, laughing and joking with friends. He gave his good friend Kevin Parker, director of player development with Cal football, a hard time for struggling through the introductions. And then Lynch took the microphone. The crowd of mostly children and parents roared. In his thanks, as he's known to do, he let a curse word slip out.

Everyone laughed. They know Marshawn. He's family. Their hilarious uncle, or protective brother, their cousin who made it, or the friend who is around so much he becomes a cousin.

That's why his signing with the Raiders is so much bigger than getting a quality running back who can help them win. This is a homecoming. Unbeknownst to the Raiders, this is a statement reverberating through the streets.

This might go down as one of the greatest PR moves in the history of modern sports. This epic spin job should end up in collegiate textbooks.

Marlon Monroe, 40, a defense attorney who has Oakland coursing through his veins, is still furious at Mark Davis for moving the Raiders again. The news about the A's planning to build a stadium on the Peralta site — which would free up the Raiders to have the entire Coliseum complex, as Davis demanded — re-stoked Monroe's anger.

He has the right mind to be done with the Raiders, sell his season tickets. He settled on dumping his Week 2 tickets in protest, missing his first home opener since 2008.

Why couldn't he go all the way with his divorce of his believed Raiders? Because they got Beast Mode.

“It's a dream come true,” Monroe said of the Lynch signing. “Everybody in Oakland has always wished Marshawn was a Raider. Everything he does represents The Town.”

The Raiders should be hated in these parts. The bitterness of the fanbase should make their remaining stay about as comfortable as sleeping in the basement on a blowup mattress under an itchy blanket. For the second time, they are bailing on Oakland, leaving behind the debt from their 1995 return.

On top of that, they want to be supported for three years before they leave? The audacity.

Yet, the Oakland Coliseum will be busting at the seams, with bodies and energy, when the Raiders play their home opener on Sunday against the New York Jets. Part of that is because they are good. But a major part of it, at least for the East Bay diehards, will be No. 24.

The Raiders signing Lynch, Oakland's most popular son, has made this season an exciting push towards the Super Bowl. But it's also a celebration. It is rare that a superstar gets to ply his craft for his hometown team. The last star from Oakland was Rickey Henderson leading off for the A's a generation ago.

Oakland has produced its fair share of talent, including current stars Damian Lillard of the Portland Trail Blazers and Marcus Peters of the Kansas City Chiefs. But few have come home with the status and resume Lynch has. And in Oakland's current state, Lynch's presence has a special meaning.

Lynch is the anti-gentrification. He embodies the spirit of Oakland that many residents and natives see dying. The rising popularity of Oakland is connected to its influx of non-Oaklanders. The city has become cool with its plethora of restaurants and indy coffee houses and boutique fashion shops.

Even Oakland Tech, the high school where Beast Mode was born, looks like a mini-Portland on weekends with babies and dogs playing in the grass.

Of course, all this newfound favor surrounding Oakland is a back hand to the pre-gentrification era — or Real Oakland, as natives call it. If you're from here, you know about some of the guidelines to being considered Real Oakland.

He is the face of that contingent. He embodies that spirit: grimy, rough-around-the-edges, compassionate even if a little crazy.

Marshawn is gold teeth, locks and gangsta rap. Tricked out cars, trunk-rattling hip-hop and hype clubs. Burrito trucks, liquor store candy and turf pride. These elements of Oakland, it feels, are getting pushed out for the taste of young urban professionals. This sentiment is underscored by the three professional teams leaving — the Warriors and Raiders are leaving the city altogether, and the A's are leaving East Oakland, a maligned part of the city.

That's one of the reasons Lynch has said he put his Beast Mode shop downtown, and can regularly be seen in or near it. He wants to make sure there is representation from the incumbent Oakland in this sweeping city renaissance.

Lynch playing with the Raiders, already a brand centered on rebellion, is the statement that this part of Oakland won't fade without a fight. That this part of Oakland is just as valuable. And that message is critical to people who are responsible for the young people of Real Oakland.

“It's so important because he is visible and accessible,” said Karega Hart, head coach of the Oakland Tech boys basketball team. “We spend so much time trying to help these young people understand their worth. And here he is, a superstar who identifies with them and the culture they come from. They can watch him play on television and then see him around the community. The Oakland stars in the '80s and '90s, they did their work behind the scenes, but you couldn't touch them and be with them. Marshawn, and even Damian Lillard, they do a good job of always being around. You can get to them.”

Lynch's whole bent is to violate the status quo. He has become a pied piper for the anti-establishment at heart. And he has rampant support because of it.

The Raiders are good again. They are fun to watch, with their explosive offense and defensive monster in Khalil Mack. It's been the better part of two decades since they were among the NFL relevant, since they were the sexy team.

Considering the circumstances, that should feel like such a slight. Just when the Raiders become worthy, they leave? Ouch.

But having Lynch makes the Raiders worth investing in again. Not for all. The departure for Las Vegas was a final straw for some that not even Lynch can mend. But if anyone gives the city a reason to get behind the Silver & Black, it's Lynch. And many are taking that reprieve. They want to love the Raiders. They want to be part of the resurgence. And pulling for Oakland's own is license.

Can you imagine if and when he scores a touchdown in Oakland? Can you picture the hype when MC Hammer's “Oaktown” is blasting and Lynch is dancing on the field?

In those moments, many Oaklanders can't be upset about the Raiders betraying the city. They will be too juiced that Marshawn is home.

Good read. This should come on through the speakers when Marshawn comes out that tunnel on Sunday:

 

[Thats My Word]

This could work too:

 

[njavier03]

SS is inactive, so Conley is gonna get some burn!

 

[kayzeezay]

Hopefully can't be any worse than Hayden

 

[kayzeezay]

This dude Kelce about to feast againist our secondary

 

[village1600]

KC gonna be tough once again