Too Many Humans?

this is true.

Here, people are consuming 8 to 10 more times then people in developing countries.

Thing is, everybody wants to have our lifestyle : drive a car, spend on useless things, get the yambs, chill on NT all day, etc.

And Earth can barely take what we are doing to her right now, our world with 7 billion humans consumming like we do is just unthinkable.

You are right the world could never handle an American lifestyle. What makes me mad is that a lot of people in America talk about things like population control but don't realize they are the biggest contributors to the problem. It's easy for them to tell other people how to live but I'm damn sure they wouldn't be happy if they were told they couldn't have a car, had to consume less and make other drastic lifestyle changes. If they are so concerned why dont we in the first world take active steps to cut our consumption?
 
this is true.

Here, people are consuming 8 to 10 more times then people in developing countries.

Thing is, everybody wants to have our lifestyle : drive a car, spend on useless things, get the yambs, chill on NT all day, etc.

And Earth can barely take what we are doing to her right now, our world with 7 billion humans consumming like we do is just unthinkable.

You are right the world could never handle an American lifestyle. What makes me mad is that a lot of people in America talk about things like population control but don't realize they are the biggest contributors to the problem. It's easy for them to tell other people how to live but I'm damn sure they wouldn't be happy if they were told they couldn't have a car, had to consume less and make other drastic lifestyle changes. If they are so concerned why dont we in the first world take active steps to cut our consumption?

Agree.

Not only american, all the western world.

I'm part of the problem too, I don't deny it.

What if we were forced to give all our shoes to people that don't have any and only keep one? (this just an example of the "sacrifice" we would have to do :lol)
 
Great article up there, thanks for posting.

I feel like this is a fairly good time to be alive. This is one of the last few generations before **** hits the fan. It's still somewhat possible to live a decent life without people interfering too much. Eventually we're all going to be packed into cities, living on top of one another and breathing in smog and pollution on the daily.


Honestly some sort of large-scale war is probably the only thing that would divert humanity from destroying itself. If there were to be a massive war with huge casualties, afterwards the people left would most likely be inspired to live peacefully and in harmony with the earth, instead of recklessly consuming resources. There would be new systems of governance in place, all the antiquated ideas of division and separation (for example, having separate "countries" or identifying people as different races) would become obsolete. It would bring humanity a lot closer together. That's probably still a ways off, though.

this is true.

Here, people are consuming 8 to 10 more times then people in developing countries.

Thing is, everybody wants to have our lifestyle : drive a car, spend on useless things, get the yambs, chill on NT all day, etc.

And Earth can barely take what we are doing to her right now, our world with 7 billion humans consumming like we do is just unthinkable.

You are right the world could never handle an American lifestyle. What makes me mad is that a lot of people in America talk about things like population control but don't realize they are the biggest contributors to the problem. It's easy for them to tell other people how to live but I'm damn sure they wouldn't be happy if they were told they couldn't have a car, had to consume less and make other drastic lifestyle changes. If they are so concerned why dont we in the first world take active steps to cut our consumption?

Agree.

Not only american, all the western world.

I'm part of the problem too, I don't deny it.

What if we were forced to give all our shoes to people that don't have any and only keep one? (this just an example of the "sacrifice" we would have to do :lol)
Related to the shoes thing, another thing I was thinking about.. what if America completely stopped importing luxury cars and told EVERYBODY they had to drive a hybrid/smart car?

That would honestly be the best thing to do at this point for various reasons, yet if they tried it you would hear an uproar "Screw the government, they can't come into my house and tell me what car to drive!! Blah blah blah"

Yet a hybrid or smart car can get you from point A to point B like any other vehicle, you don't need a damn BMW or an Escalade.

People are so damn attached to useless and immaterial things. We are literally poisoning the planet and the human race with our stupidity.
 
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Related to the shoes thing, another thing I was thinking about.. what if America completely stopped importing luxury cars and told EVERYBODY they had to drive a hybrid/smart car?

That would honestly be the best thing to do at this point for various reasons, yet if they tried it you would hear an uproar "Screw the government, they can't come into my house and tell me what car to drive!! Blah blah blah"

Yet a hybrid or smart car can get you from point A to point B like any other vehicle, you don't need a damn BMW or an Escalade.

People are so damn attached to useless and immaterial things. We are literally poisoning the planet and the human race with our stupidity.

There is a lot of things the authorities could do to help the situation.

But you have those big lobbies, personal interest and everything, it ain't happening.
 
There is a lot of things the authorities could do to help the situation.

But you have those big lobbies, personal interest and everything, it ain't happening.
Yep. I don't think people realize how fully intertwined these big business are with the government. They're one and the same. There are plenty of things they could have done but they clearly have no interest in doing any of them.

Why? Simple.. the government's objective isn't actually to help people. It's to make sure that their slice of the pie keeps getting larger and larger.


That's why I will readily admit that I supported Obama because he's black. It doesn't matter who is in the White House, any president they install is going to be a puppet controlled by special interests. So I'd at least rather have someone who will represent progress and equality. Even if Obama's presidency is an L politically (he never had a chance from the start, of course), it was a win socially and that will matter more to humanity in the long run.
 
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old book, but definitly a good read. It touches everything about growth (population, consumption, technology, etc.)
the idea is fascinating and scary at the same time. on the other hand, ive also read that population may see a decline since the birthrates in already developed (US, Japan, EU) is already stagnated. no idea what to believe, but it seems as more places come into the developed world, their birthrates drop. 

http://www.slate.com/articles/techn...y_actually_start_declining_not_exploding.html

About That Overpopulation Problem
[h1]Research suggests we may actually face a declining  world population in the coming years.[/h1]
The world’s seemingly relentless march toward overpopulation achieved a notable milestone in 2012: Somewhere on the planet, according to U.S. Census Bureau estimates, the 7 billionth living person came into existence.

Lucky No. 7,000,000,000 probably celebrated his or her birthday sometime in March and added to a population that’s already stressing the planet’s limited supplies of food, energy, and clean water. Should this trend continue, as the Los Angeles Times  noted in a five-part seriesmarking the occasion, by midcentury, “living conditions are likely to be bleak for much of humanity.”

A somewhat more arcane milestone, meanwhile, generated no media coverage at all: It took humankind 13 years to add its 7 billionth. That’s longer than the 12 years it took to add the 6 billionth—the first time in human history that interval had grown. (The 2 billionth, 3 billionth, 4 billionth, and 5 billionth took 123, 33, 14, and 13 years, respectively.) In other words, the rate of global population growth has slowed. And it’s expected to keep slowing. Indeed, according to experts’ best estimates, the total population of Earth will will stop growing within the lifespan of people alive today. And then it will fall.

This is a counterintuitive notion in the United States, where we’ve heard often and loudly that world population growth is a perilous and perhaps unavoidable threat to our future as a species. But population decline is a very familiar concept in the rest of the developed world, where fertility has long since fallen far below the 2.1 live births per woman required to maintain population equilibrium. In Germany, the birthrate has sunk to just 1.36, worse even than its low-fertility neighbors  Spain (1.48) and Italy (1.4). The way things are going, Western Europe as a whole will most likely shrink from 460 million to just 350 million by the end of the century. That’s not so bad compared with Russia and China, each of whose populations could fall by half. As you may not be surprised to learn, the Germans have coined a polysyllabic word for this quandary: Schrumpf-Gesellschaft, or “shrinking society.”

American media have largely ignored the issue of population decline for the simple reason that it hasn’t happened here yet. Unlike Europe, the United States has long been the beneficiary of robust immigration. This has helped us not only by directly bolstering the number of people calling the United States home but also by propping up the birthrate, since immigrant women tend to produce far more children than the native-born do.

But both those advantages look to diminish in years to come. A report issued last month by the Pew Research Center found that immigrant births fell  from 102 per 1,000 women in 2007 to 87.8 per 1,000 in 2012. That helped bring the overall U.S. birthrate to a mere 64 per 1,000 women—not enough to sustain our current population.

Moreover, the poor, highly fertile countries that once churned out immigrants by the boatload are now experiencing birthrate declines of their own. From 1960 to 2009, Mexico’s fertility ratetumbled from 7.3 live births per woman to 2.4, India’s dropped  from six to 2.5, and Brazil’s  fell from 6.15 to 1.9. Even in sub-Saharan Africa, where the average birthrate remains a relatively blistering 4.66, fertility is projected to fall below replacement level  by the 2070s. This change in developing countries will affect not only the U.S. population, of course, but eventually the world’s.

Why is this happening? Scientists who study population dynamics point to a phenomenon called “demographic transition.”

“For hundreds of thousands of years,” explains Warren Sanderson, a professor of economics at Stony Brook University, “in order for humanity to survive things like epidemics and wars and famine, birthrates had to be very high.” Eventually, thanks to technology, death rates started to fall in Europe and in North America, and the population size soared. In time, though, birthrates fell as well, and the population leveled out. The same pattern has repeated in countries around the world. Demographic transition, Sanderson says, “is a shift between two very different long-run states: from high death rates and high birthrates to low death rates and low birthrates.” Not only is the pattern well-documented, it’s well under way: Already, more than half the world’s population is reproducing at below the replacement rate. 

If the Germany of today is the rest of the world tomorrow, then the future is going to look a lot different than we thought. Instead of skyrocketing toward uncountable Malthusian multitudes, researchers at Austria’s International Institute for Applied Systems Analysis foresee the global population maxing out at 9 billion some time around 2070. On the bright side, the long-dreaded resource shortage may turn out not to be a problem at all. On the not-so-bright side, the demographic shift toward more retirees and fewer workers could throw the rest of the world into the kind of interminable economic stagnation that Japan is experiencing right now.

And in the long term—on the order of centuries—we could be looking at the literal extinction of humanity.

That might sound like an outrageous claim, but it comes down to simple math. According to a2008 IIASA report, if the world stabilizes at a total fertility rate of 1.5—where Europe is today—then by 2200 the global population will fall to half of what it is today. By 2300, it’ll barely scratch 1 billion. (The authors of the report tell me that in the years since the initial publication, some details have changed—Europe’s population is falling faster than was previously anticipated, while Africa’s birthrate is declining more slowly—but the overall outlook is the same.) Extend the trend line, and within a few dozen generations you’re talking about a global population small enough to fit in a nursing home.

It’s far from certain that any of this will come to pass. IIASA’s numbers are based on probabilistic projections, meaning that demographers try to identify the key factors affecting population growth and then try to assess the likelihood that each will occur. The several layers of guesswork magnify potential errors. “We simply don’t know for sure what will be the population size at a certain time in the future,” demographer Wolfgang Lutz told IIASA conference-goers earlier this year. “There are huge uncertainties involved.” Still, it’s worth discussing, because focusing too single-mindedly on the problem of overpopulation could have disastrous consequences—see China’s one-child policy.

One of the most contentious issues is the question of whether birthrates in developed countries will remain low. The United Nation’s most recent forecast, released in 2010, assumes that low-fertility countries will eventually revert to a birthrate of around 2.0. In that scenario, the world population tops out at about 10 billion  and stays there. But there’s no reason to believe that that birthrates will behave in that way—no one has every observed an inherent human tendency to have a nice, arithmetically stable 2.1 children per couple. On the contrary, people either tend to have an enormous number of kids (as they did throughout most of human history and still do in the most impoverished, war-torn parts of Africa) or far too few. We know how to dampen excessive population growth—just educate girls. The other problem has proved much more intractable: No one’s figured out how to boost fertility in countries where it has imploded. Singapore has been encouraging parenthood  for nearly 30 years, with cash incentives of up to $18,000 per child. Its birthrate? A gasping-for-air 1.2. When Sweden started offering parents generous support, the birthrate soared but then fell back again, and after years of fluctuating, it now stands at 1.9—very high for Europe but still below replacement level.
 

The reason for the implacability of demographic transition can be expressed in one word: education. One of the first things that countries do when they start to develop is educate their young people, including girls. That dramatically improves the size and quality of the workforce. But it also introduces an opportunity cost for having babies. “Women with more schooling tend to have fewer children,” says William Butz, a senior research scholar at IIASA.

In developed countries, childrearing has become a lifestyle option tailored to each couple’s preferences. Maximizing fertility is rarely a priority. My wife and I are a case in point. I’m 46, she’s 39, and we have two toddlers. We waited about as long to have kids as we feasibly could because we were invested in building our careers and, frankly, enjoying all the experiences that those careers let us have. If wanted to pop out another ankle-biter right now, our ageing bodies might just allow us to do so. But we have no intention of trying. As much as we adore our little guys, they’re a lot of work and frighteningly expensive. Most of our friends have just one or two kids, too, and like us they regard the prospect of having three or four kids the way most people look at ultramarathoning or transoceanic sailing—admirable pursuits, but only for the very committed.

That attitude could do for Homo sapiens  what that giant asteroid did for the dinosaurs. If humanity is going to sustain itself, then the number of couples deciding to have three or four kids will consistently have to exceed the number opting to raise one or zero. The 2.0 that my wife and I have settled for is a decent effort, but we’re not quite pulling our weight. Are we being selfish? Or merely rational? Our decision is one that I’m sure future generations will judge us on. Assuming there are any.

This article arises from Future Tense, a collaboration among Arizona State University, the New America Foundation, and Slate. Future Tense explores the ways emerging technologies affect society, policy, and culture. To read more, visit the Future Tense blog  and the Future Tense home page. You can also follow us on Twitter.   
Good read. Anybody who doesn't mind letters should check it out.
Watch wall-E your question will be answered
:lol That's a good movie...it had a lot to say about our way of life, I love that type of flick.
old book, but definitly a good read. It touches everything about growth (population, consumption, technology, etc.)
Interesting, I might have to check that out. Looks like it was writen before things were at their current levels too, I can only imagine how much more severe any issues mentioned are.
 
there is PLENTY of land left to inhabit...

... we just need to get our consumption of resources under control.
 
Natural disasters,war, and diseases (AIDs, Cancer) will keep our population down
 
there is PLENTY of land left to inhabit...

... we just need to get our consumption of resources under control.
there is plenty of land, but only so many portions of land that can successfully sustain significant populations.

in the (not to distant) future, conflicts/wars are going to start over access to water, not oil, gold, minerals, 
 
^ exactly. The desert is space, but unless you have the resources, ain't nobody living there. The jungle is space, but where do we keep the animals that don't fit in zoos? Antacrtica is space, but shrinkage is a *****. Space is fine, but how do we sustain the people that will be forced to live there? I really don't see how things can continue in this fashion forever.
 
The thing about genetically enhanced foods is that we don't really know how it will effect us in the long run. Same goes with all the other chemicals used in foods.
Very true.

I think their are too many people dying.  The world population has to be skewed, cause I believe without a doubt that the number of people fluctuates daily and no one really tracking it dead on.
 


interesting documentary about access to water

1 hour mark is where they talk about potential international conflicts over access to water
 
This is kind of a random question, but I'd be interested to see what y'all come up with on the subject.


There are 7 billion people on the planet.


Of these, 80 or 90% will reproduce at least once (and usually more).


My mathleticism is way lacking, but that's a lot of damn people and the number is only going up.


Do you think we can continue at this rate, or is something bound to...balance things out?


Let's hear your elevated ruminations, NT.

In a word, No. We cannot keep up with this pace. Food supply is limited, but that's already been tampered with. Combine that with an oversexed society and you have your answer.
 
according to some people in this forum and other forums the government already does population control by infecting people with AIDS/HIV
 
I more so worry about how in the world so many chickens exist.

2 wings per chicken. 1 damn restaurant can have hundreds of wings at a time.
Now you can think about all of the grocery stores in that city.
Now you can think about all other restaurants in that city.
Think about all the people that have wings in their deep freezers in that city.

Then move to the state.
Then the country.
Then the continent.

Then the world.

I don't understand how there are so many chickens.
 
I more so worry about how in the world so many chickens exist.

2 wings per chicken. 1 damn restaurant can have hundreds of wings at a time.
Now you can think about all of the grocery stores in that city.
Now you can think about all other restaurants in that city.
Think about all the people that have wings in their deep freezers in that city.

Then move to the state.
Then the country.
Then the continent.

Then the world.

I don't understand how there are so many chickens.


i for one welcome our new chicken overlords
 
dont forget people are always dying so id say the population will always be around this number
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I more so worry about how in the world so many chickens exist.

2 wings per chicken. 1 damn restaurant can have hundreds of wings at a time.
Now you can think about all of the grocery stores in that city.
Now you can think about all other restaurants in that city.
Think about all the people that have wings in their deep freezers in that city.

Then move to the state.
Then the country.
Then the continent.

Then the world.

I don't understand how there are so many chickens.
:lol That's true. There are 5 Chinese spots within a 2 block radius of me, and that's easily 5,000 wings a day from each of them. Just thinking about the math involved makes my head hurt.
 
over population and global warming is a myth imo
Anyways, I can see them introducing population control measures. Like dude said on page 1, we really have no idea what GMFs are doing to our bodies so I don't think we should just flood the market with em.
 
I more so worry about how in the world so many chickens exist.

2 wings per chicken. 1 damn restaurant can have hundreds of wings at a time.
Now you can think about all of the grocery stores in that city.
Now you can think about all other restaurants in that city.
Think about all the people that have wings in their deep freezers in that city.

Then move to the state.
Then the country.
Then the continent.

Then the world.

I don't understand how there are so many chickens.

That last sentence made me LOL irl.
 
The human population has a certain carrying capacity just like any other species on Earth. Our population will grow exponentially until we reach that capacity. Not sure what that number is, but it will level out around that extent.
 
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