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In the fourth installment of HOOPSWORLD's series ranking the top five players at each position in the NBA, today we look at the center position. In today's NBA it is difficult to determine who is a center and who is a power forward. Is Tim Duncan a center or a power forward? How about Al Horford? Well, thankfully, Alex Raskin did all the work for me and the differentiation is right here.

Obviously Yao Ming is one name that would have been at, or at least near, the top of the list will be left off completely due to injury. But with the seven-time All-Star out for the season a spot opens up in what is a fairly thin group of NBA centers.

Without any further ado, let's get the ball rolling:

1. Dwight Howard, Orlando: It is impossible to ignore the rare combination of power and athleticism that Howard brings to the game. Howard came to the Magic straight out of high school as the first overall pick in the 2004 NBA Draft and has exceeded expectations. Just 23 years old, Howard has already been named All-NBA First Team twice ('08 and '09) and was named the NBA's Defensive Player of the Year last season. Howard led the Magic on a surprising run to the NBA Finals, he posted career highs in blocks (2.9) and steals (1.0) per game. As Howard continues to develop an offensive repertoire to go along with his game changing defensive ability he will become not only the best center in the game today, but will secure a spot among the greatest big men of all time.

2. Al Jefferson, Minnesota: The 24-year old Jefferson was in the midst of a career season before a ruptured ACL in his right knee ended the 2008-09 season for the Timberwolves center. You can say what you want about posting big numbers for a bad team, but Minnesota appeared to be making strides after an awful start to the season (4-23) by winning 13 of the team's final 23 games with Jefferson in the lineup, including wins over playoff-bound New Orleans and Chicago. Jefferson has a nice post game based on fundamentals more than athleticism so his knee injury shouldn't stunt his growth terribly and he will continue to become one of the best big men in the NBA.

3. Shaquille O'Neal, Cleveland: The perception of Shaq's game at his advanced age is less than accurate in my opinion. Is he still the dominant force that won three consecutive NBA Finals MVPs? Not at all. Is he still one of the best centers in the NBA? There is absolutely no doubt. Shaq saw his scoring jump over four points per game from '07-'08 to '08-'09 while shooting a career best .609 from the field. The 15-time All-Star helped the Suns win 46 games last season, narrowly missing the playoffs despite playing the final eight weeks of the season without fellow All-Star Amar'e Stoudemire. Shaq also played in at least 75 games for the first time since the 1999-2000 season and only the fifth time in his career last season. With LeBron James and Mo Williams around to keep defenses from keying on him, Shaq figures to remain a highly efficient and productive player in 2010.

4. Emeka Okafor, New Orleans: Okafor has been one of the league's best kept secrets over the last couple of seasons while being stashed on one of the NBA's worst teams in Charlotte. The former University of Connecticut star has averaged a double-double in each of his five NBA seasons. Durability became a question mark surrounding Okafor early in his career, but the 2005 NBA Rookie of the Year has played in all 82 games in each of the last two seasons, starting all but one, and posted a career high .561 field goal percentage last year. While his career numbers aren't eye-popping (14 points and 10.7 rebounds per game), he has turned into one of the game's most steady big men. With a new team in New Orleans playing alongside Chris Paul, expect to see Okafor's scoring improve dramatically this season.

5. Andris Biedrins, Golden State: One of the most under-appreciated players in the NBA, Biedrins isn't the most polished offensive player on this list but the 23-year old Latvian posted career-highs in five statistical categories last season while averaging a double-double (11.9 points, 11.2 rebounds per game) for the first time in his career. At 6'11", 240 lbs., Biedrins has been in the top three in the NBA in field goal percentage each of the last three years, leading the league (.626) in 2007-08. On a Golden State squad with so many capable scorers (Corey Maggette, Monta Ellis, Stephen Jackson, etc.) Biedrins might not register huge offensive numbers, but his impact on both ends of the floor is simply too much to be ignored.

Honorable Mention: Mehmet Okur, Utah; Andrew Bogut, Milwaukee; Brook Lopez, New Jersey; Nene, Denver; Al Horford, Atlanta

I left some people off of this list that it was really difficult to omit. Marcus Camby has been such a presence on the defensive end of the floor for so long but he is 35, oft-injured and saw his assists, rebounds and blocks drop off precipitously last season. Chris Kaman can't seem to stay out of the training room and on the court. Ditto for Andrew Bynum and Greg Oden - if those two stay healthy they will definitely move on up the ladder.

Memo Okur is something of an enigma, doing the majority of his damage from the perimeter, shooting nearly 45 percent from three-point range last season. He isn't a traditional center but has played a big role for perennial playoff contenders.

Former number one overall selection Andrew Bogut averaged a double-double for the first time in his career last season, shooting a career high .577 from the floor but playing only 36 games. The Bucks were in playoff contention prior to Bogut's season coming to an end due to a stress fracture in his lower back.

Brook Lopez was thrust into the starting lineup early in his rookie season when Josh Boone was injured and Lopez never looked back. The former Stanford star showed immediately that he is a force on the defensive end and his offense improved steadily as the season moved on.

After several seasons in which injury kept Nene from reaching the potential that made him the seventh overall pick in the 2002 NBA Draft, Nene seems to have turned the corner after a career year in 2008-09. The Brazilian posted career-highs in seven statistical categories last season while becoming one of the game's top defensive centers.

While his numbers don't jump off the page at you, Al Horford has quietly averaged 10.8 points and 9.5 rebounds per game during his two seasons in Atlanta. Horford is an unassuming, team-first guy who is playing out of position because the Hawks need him at the center.

Feel free to tell me why you agree or disagree below but if you disagree, you better tell me WHY. Don't just hit me with, "You're an idiot! Marc Gasol should've made this list!" Let's get the conversation started.


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This list shows how perimeter oriented the L has become...






Here's the one absolute in comprising a "Top 5" list these days: not everyone is going to leave a winner.
Richard Jefferson and Gerald Wallace will cry do-over. Memphis (Rudy Gay) and Golden State (Corey Maggette) won't like what they read. And even the Shawn Marion loyalists will question the end results. Because not only did those small forwards not make the "Top 5" cut here, but their positions at the "Honorable Mention" table aren't even reserved.

So what's a guy to do?

In this case, it's examine the five best small forwards in the league today - complete with a combination of fact and opinion - while using the upcoming season to engrain them into stardom.

Debate, discuss or disagree, here is HOOPSWORLD's list of "Top 5 Small Forwards":

1. LeBron James, Cleveland: As if there was any doubt whom would be mentioned first in this discussion. At 24-years-old and an MVP candidate, James is the best player at his position and averaged 28.4 points per game, shooting 48 % from the field for the Cavaliers while also being named to the NBA All-Defensive Team for the first time in his six-year career. While confiscating dunk tapes and defending snubbing handshakes dominated James' summer, this coming season - and with the help of Shaquille O'Neal in Cleveland - LeBron will once again be all about chasing a ring. But for now, he's simply the best small forward in the NBA. No question about it.

2. Carmelo Anthony, Denver: Following "King James" is never easy. Yet if there was one guy who is familiar with the role (after he was selected two spots after James in the 2003 NBA Draft) and capable of playing second fiddle at small forward in this league to LeBron, it's Melo. Last season, Carmelo not only led Denver to the second-best record in the Western Conference, but he did so with his most well rounded season as a pro. He showed improvement defensively (even though no one is going to confuse him with Ron Artest) and averaged 22.8 points per game, while putting up his best numbers from beyond the arc at roughly 37%. How the Nuggets fair this coming season though - and towards a playoff push - will once again be a reflection of Anthony and his ability to keep adding to an already impressive resume. Something says Carmelo will be down for raising his game.

3. Paul Pierce, Boston: In this "Top 5" list - and excluding honorable mentions - Pierce is the lone player with a championship ring, not to mention NBA Finals MVP honors. An eight-time all-star and one of Boston's "Big Three, Pierce's numbers are simply impressive throughout his 10-seasons in the league. With a career-average of 22.9 points, 6.3 rebounds and 3.9 assists per game, Pierce is one of the more complete players in the game today given his ability to defend, rebound and score. If - and that is the key word here - Kevin Garnett sheds his fragility and Rasheed Wallace adjusts well to the Celtics, it's possible Pierce - who shot 45% from the field and averaged 20.5 points per game last season - could be in-line for another ring fitting. And that's "The Truth."

4. Ron Artest, Los Angeles: You may not like him or the way he plays, but you sure as heck have to respect and appreciate Ron Artest for what he brings to the small forward position. At 6'7 and 260 pounds, he is still the league's best defender. No doubt about it. As for his offense, Artest shot 40% from 3-point land despite his scoring average dipping to 17.1 points per game (which is down from his two previous seasons). Yet Artest's smothering defense remains his calling card and certainly gives the Los Angeles Lakers a leg-up in coming out of the West again next season. Right now, they are the team to beat. And while the Lakers lineup of Kobe Bryant, Lamar Odom and Pau Gasol was outstanding last season, the addition of Artest makes Los Angeles a team poised to repeat.

5. Kevin Durant, Oklahoma City: The Portland Trail Blazers will never admit they should have selected Durant with the first overall pick back in 2007. But the way this kid put up numbers in his second year, it's worth arguing someone missed the boat. The 2007-08 NBA Rookie of the Year, Durant averaged over 25 points per game last season and easily made his mark at all-star weekend in Phoenix by taking home the MVP trophy from the T-Mobile Rookie Challenge & Youth Jam. It was that February that Durant blew up: for the month, he averaged 30 points per game, shot 54% from the field, 51% on 3-pointers and 88% from the line. Now many will debate Durant's place on this list, likely arguing a number of honorable mentions should be here instead. But after seeing what the 6'10 small forward has done in two years, and knowing he'll only get better with age and experience in Oklahoma City, Durant is worthy of a perfect pick.

Honorable Mentions: Danny Granger, Caron Butler, Tayshaun Prince, Hedo Turkoglu, Shane Battier.

Indiana's Danny Granger was this close to cracking the "Top 5" list. He is coming off a career-year with the Pacers where he averaged 25.8 points per game, leaving one question to be asked: where does last season's Most Improved Player go from here?….Washington's Caron Butler is perhaps one of the most underrated players in the league today, let alone at small forward. Hopefully a return to all-star status will change that perception….With everything Detroit went through last season, Tayshaun Prince stayed an iron man. He appeared in all 82 games for the sixth straight season and started every game for the fifth straight season....Even though Hedo Turkoglu went sideways on the Portland Trail Blazers this summer, finishing last season as Orlando's best offensive threat was no joke. But can he do it again for Toronto?....Shane Battier, Shane Battier, Shane Battier.

Disagree?... make your case below.

http://www.hoopsworld.com/Story.asp?story_id=13628

Artest over Granger?
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Ranking the top five shooting guards for this upcoming season is an extremely difficult task, especially after you get outside the big three of Kobe Bryant, Dwyane Wade, and Joe Johnson. There are so many gifted shooters in this league that it's hard to quantify who outranks whom; even harder is predicting who will have the best season in 2009-10.

Despite that, we're giving it a shot (so to speak), so here are your top five shooting guards for the upcoming NBA season:


(Author's Note: Brandon Roy was originally left off this list because I was, for some reason, viewing him as a point guard. Were I doing this over, he'd absolutely be ranked #3, followed by Johnson and Ginobili, which would push Ray Allen to the top of the Honorable Mention category).

#1 - Kobe Bryant - Not only is the 2008 league MVP and coming off a championship ring, but he's also the most dominant player in the game. Say whatever you want about LeBron James, but Kobe's got the rings, the experience, and the 81-point game under his belt. He may not have outscored Wade last year, but that doesn't mean he isn't the superior player. Not far superior by any means, but how is any argument plausible that puts Wade atop this list when Kobe's the guy he has to leapfrog?

#2 - Dwyane Wade - Arguably the best clutch shooter in the modern NBA, Wade is here not only because he led the league in scoring last season with 30.2 ppg, but also because his long list of difficult and amazing game-winners. By adding 5 points and 7.5 boards a game to his totals last year Wade made a strong case for best all-around player in the league, and even pulled some late MVP votes despite not really being in the conversation earlier on in the season. The man's a star, just like Kobe, which is why these guys are the top two off-guards in the league.

#3 - Joe Johnson - After Johnson the field drops off a little bit, but at the same time he's not quite in the same class as the first two guys on this list. Clearly the third-best shooting guard in the league, Johnson has done a lot for bringing the Atlanta Hawks back to credibility-an effort that's likely to be awarded heftily next summer when he very well could become the highest-profile free agent on the market to actually consider leaving his current team. At 21.4 points, 5.8 assists, and 4.4 rebounds a game (2008-09's statistics), he's certainly a game-changer and a team leader.

#4 - Manu Ginobili - Statistically, maybe Vince Carter should've been the fourth-best two-guard in the league, and considering Ginobili missed half the season last year due to injury, his place at fourth on this list could certainly be considered a gamble. But if he comes into this year healthy, his numbers will jump right back up that 19-20ppg mark again, and the Spurs are already heavily favored to be a Conference Championship team this year. At his best, Ginobili is a force, and even injured he's better than most.

#5 - Ray Allen - So why no Vince again? A couple of reasons. First of all, his numbers will probably see a drop in Orlando next year as his role will undoubtedly have to change in that Magic system. Even if he doesn't change his role and continues scoring 20+ points a night, it would be to the detriment of a really good young team, in which case I can't put him in the top five anyway. Compared to Ray Allen-someone who just never stops knocking down threes, including several clutch shots in last year's playoffs-Carter isn't quite the same class of player. He's an amazing athlete and the skill is certainly there, but in terms of being a better player and all-around shooter, Allen nips him out of the top five by a hair.

Honorable Mention: Vince Carter, Andre Iguodala, Kevin Martin, Ben Gordon, Richard Hamilton - It will be interesting to see what happens to Ben Gordon and Rip Hamilton in Detroit considering they'll have to share time and shots not only with each other but with Rodney Stuckey. Those two guys are last on this list for that reason and that reason alone, but both deserve to be in the top ten. Carter and Iguodala are amazingly freakish athletes, but are closer to the small forward side of the spectrum than pure shooter. Kevin Martin is a top-notch scorer, but his team is never competitive. It hurts to fault him for that, but it's hard to determine whether he'd post similar numbers on a winning team with more complementary star power.

Surely other young shooters will pop up the rankings this year as well, and maybe some of these honorable mention guys will prove me wrong. If Ginobili's ankle will never be the same, I'll be proved extremely wrong very quickly. But that's the beauty of the preseason; everyone can be optimistic about what's to come. For the best of the best, it's one more season chasing the title, and short of maybe Joe Johnson, all these guys in the top five have a legit shot at doing that.



http://www.hoopsworld.com/Story.asp?story_id=13622


Around five years ago, in a basketball-coaching seminar at Alfred University (Alfred, NY), students struggled to explain what exactly a power forward did. They had a firm grasp of what a power forward wasn't, but couldn't conjure any words beyond "post" and "rebound" to describe what it was.

It was easy to offer "Chris Webber" or "Karl Malone" as examples, but the class still fumbled through their turbid thoughts to give any concrete definition.

Before you dismiss the students though (and the ridiculous excuse for a course) remember that the NBA doesn't give itself a firm definition either. Most team sites don't specify between "small" and "power" forwards on their roster pages and the biggest distinction seems to be that a power forward is listed in the box score above the center but below the small forward.

In any case, HOOPSWORLD has assembled a list of the game's Top 5 power forwards. But before revealing it, we should discuss who is and who isn't a power forward.


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The positions were largely determined by official NBA box scores. Regardless of where you, the reader, would play these guys, all of the following are considered centers for our discussion: Atlanta's Al Horford, Toronto's Andrea Bargnani, Minnesota's Al Jefferson, New Orleans' Emeka Okafor, Boston's Rasheed Wallace, San Antonio's Matt Bonner (which obviously affects Tim Duncan's status), Golden State's Andris Biedrins and Denver's Nenê.

Philadelphia's Thaddeus Young split time between both small and power forward last year. However, with Elton Brand expected to return, that suggests he is going to stay at small forward. Also, Atlanta's Marvin Williams and Josh Smith were interchangeably listed at power and small forward. It appears that Williams was listed at small forward slightly more, so Smith will be considered instead.

That means the pool we're looking at today includes: Boston's Kevin Garnett, New York's David Lee, Philadelphia's Elton Brand, Toronto's Chris Bosh, Cleveland's Anderson Varejao, Indiana's Troy Murphy, Atlanta's Smith, Charlotte's Boris Diaw, Miami's Michael Beasley, Orlando's Rashard Lewis, Washington's Antawn Jamison, Dallas' Dirk Nowitzki, New Orleans' David West, San Antonio's Duncan and Antonio McDyess, Memphis' Zach Randolph, the Clippers' Blake Griffin, the Lakers' Pau Gasol and Lamar Odom, Phoenix's Amar'e Stoudemire, Denver's Kenyon Martin, Minnesota's Kevin Love, Portland's LaMarcus Aldridge, Utah's Carlos Boozer and Paul Millsap and, finally, Oklahoma City's Jeff Green.

Now that that's out of the way…

1. Tim Duncan, San Antonio: There are power forwards from the field that are better offensively than Duncan. There might be one or two that are better at defense. However, nobody combines the two as lethally as the man from St. Croix.

Duncan still blocks nearly two shots per game, but that doesn't come close to quantifying his defensive presence. Even well into his thirties Duncan is a master at denying the shots of both forwards and centers. He still rebounds nearly 20% of missed shots when he's on the floor and his offensive game is as efficient as ever.

A career 50.7% field goal shooter, Duncan's biggest weakness comes at the free throw line where he's shot 68.5% for his career.

And of course, the San Antonio Spurs don't win four titles without Tim Duncan. But don't let that fool you. The two-time MVP isn't on this list because of his past accomplishments. He's the best power forward because of what he can do on the basketball floor TODAY.

2. Dirk Nowitzki, Dallas:
A few people may gripe about his defensive shortcomings, but that issue is overblown. Dallas' strategy has always been to keep Nowitzki off of tougher assignments and have him avoid fouls and conserve energy instead.

Even with that asterisk though, Nowitzki is still among the most impactful players in the game. Who else combines elite passing, ball-handling, shooting and rebounding like Nowitzki?

Not one other player on this list can compete with his ball skills or shooting range, but Nowitzki isn't an incomplete power forward. He ranked ninth overall in the NBA last season in terms of Player Efficiency Rating thanks to his 8.4 rebounds per contest.

If Germany produces a long line of tall point-forwards, we'll know who to thank.

3. Kevin Garnett, Celtics: It's tough to gauge his position on this list without first considering the repercussions from his knee injury. He and the Celtics do seem quite pleased at how the joint has responded, but nobody can be certain.

What is certain is Garnett's level of intensity. If his knee lets him step on the court next year, he won't be at half-speed. Garnett only plays at full-tilt which is a major reason he brought Boston its 17th title.

You could refer to Garnett's stats to see why he's on this list (20.2 ppg and 11.1 rpg for his career) but it's a myriad of intangibles that separates Garnett from the rest of the league.

Exhibit A: Boston's defense.

Garnett frequently covers opponents' weakest scorers so that he may focus on help-defense. So, instead of trying to defend every option in the playbook, Boston's guards simply funnel their assignments towards Garnett who then either forces a turnover or denies the shot.

Ray Allen wasn't a great defender before arriving in Boston. But when he's asked to defend someone in only one direction, Allen can conjure images of Michael Cooper,

4. Pau Gasol, Lakers: The post-Shaq era in Los Angeles was starting to look like Kobe Bryant and a whole lot of question marks. Then Pau Gasol arrived.

What Phil Jackson immediately discovered was that it didn't matter if Gasol played power forward or center. The 7-foot Spaniard simply produced.

Never noted for his defense, Gasol transformed himself into an interior obstacle and even developed a mean streak similar to that of Garnett's. Still only 29 (hey, that's young for this list), Gasol shoots over 50% from the field and nearly 80% from the line. He also picks up over three assists per game and is always a threat to put the ball on the floor.

His game has been called "ugly" but that's not something that hurts the credibility of a power forward.

5. Chris Bosh, Toronto: Only the second power forward on this list that was born in the continental United States (and it just figures he would play professionally in Canada), Bosh is an NBA junky's dream.

At 6-10 and only 230 pounds, Bosh can challenge big and small opponents on both ends of the floor with his quickness and cunning. His ball-handling skills aren't as appreciated as they should be and only a few outside Ontario recognize that he's one of the premiere free throw shooters among post players (81.7% from the line last year).

His defense has been questioned, but some of that has to do with Toronto's pace (the Raptors averaged 94.2 possessions per game last year).

Even without elite defense though, Bosh has proven to be among the most calculating forwards in the NBA. The Dallas native has always been a smart player, but GM Bryan Colangelo seems to be molding him into much more of a thinker on the court. His shot selection has visibly improved each season.

Honorable Mentions: David Lee, Rashard Lewis, Lamar Odom, Amar'e Stoudemire, and LaMarcus Aldridge.

The "Honorable Mentions" were even more difficult to choose than the list itself. Elton Brand isn't being punished for his shoulder issue last season. Rather, he is the victim of his PER's downward spiral. From the '05-'06 season, Brand's rating has gone from 26.67 o 14.65. The same can be said for another Blue Devil, Carlos Boozer (from 24.11 to 17.28 over the last three years). Obviously Garnett's PER dropped last year as well, but he doesn't have the same overall trend that Brand and Boozer have. Garnett also provides much better defense.

New York's David Lee had a great stat line last year, but also played 35 mpg for a team void of any interior scoring and rebounding. Had Lee been surrounded by better teammates, his line might not be 16 ppg and 11.7 rpg. However, he does wear-out opponents and that isn't represented in the box score. Lee is a very underrated athlete with energy to spare.

Suspension aside, Rashard Lewis has been worth the big contract Orlando gave him two seasons ago. He's a power forward in name only, but his shooting helps spread the floor to give Dwight Howard room to operate.

Lamar Odom is capable of technical perfection on the basketball court. While he sometimes plays small forward, his best work comes in the post. Odom has footwork that perhaps no other power forward can match. Of course, it's that same finesse that makes him an unusual fit at power forward. Odom's game could benefit from some more assertiveness near the basket.

Amar'e Stoudemire didn't fall from the Top 5 simply because he had eye surgery. Stoudemire's offensive game is nearly flawless, but his defense is inconsistent at best and toxic at worst. He still battles on the boards and is among the most exciting players in the game, but he can still grow.

Finally, LaMarcus Aldridge is right on the cusp of something special. The jump shot, the athleticism, the 7-0 frame-it's almost too much to defend. When he puts it together, he will be a terror.


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I don't think they've done PG yet. When it's posted I'll add it.


Discuss.
 
Artest over KD is comedy, and they overrated Shaq...

but dont got a problem with the rest of the rankings...
 
I'm bored:

C: Dwight Howard, Tim Duncan (he basically plays C), Yao Ming, Shaquille O'Neal and Al Jefferson.
PF: Dirk Nowitzki, Pau Gasol, Chris Bosh, Kevin Garnett and Amare Stoudemire.
SF: LeBron James, Kevin Durant, Carmelo Anthony, Paul Pierce and Caron Butler.
SG: Kobe Bryant, Dwyane Wade, Brandon Roy, Joe Johnson and Vince Carter.
PG: Chris Paul, Deron Williams, Tony Parker, Chauncey Billups and Steve Nash.
 
No B-ROY.....not even an honorable mention.

This wont not end well.



Edit: didnt read the fine print.NEVERMIND
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Originally Posted by allstarpg32

Andris Biedrins, emeka okafor and mehmet okur over than andruw bynum?
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Id love to hear your reasoning as to why you think that Bynum is better than Andris. Potential is not a valid criteria as to who is better either. Go.
 
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Originally Posted by allstarpg32

Andris Biedrins, emeka okafor and mehmet okur over than andruw bynum?
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Id love to hear your reasoning as to why you think that Bynum is better than Andris. Potential is not a valid criteria as to who is better either. Go.



Here we go...
 
Is Bynum more talented than Biedrins...certainly. Is he better RIGHT NOW...he sure hasn't shown it.
 
The names are interchangeable from #3 down to some of the honorable mentioned, in the SG category.

Well, Roy is really #3, so from #4 down to the honorable mentioned.

I think Durant is 2nd in the SF category. I don't see any problem with the PF ranking.
Originally Posted by allstarpg32

Andris Biedrins, emeka okafor and mehmet okur over than andruw bynum?
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VC should've been 4th on the SG's list, with Ray Allen at 5. They talked about him having a lesser role with Orlando, yet Ray was forced with the samething going to Boston. I still think he should be listed at #4, with Manu being the honorable mention.

PF's I agree with, SF's I'd tweek a little, C's the #5 is questionable not putting Bynum in there.

PG's I think will go -

CP
Deron Williams
Tony Parker
Billups
Nash
 
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Not one damn person better argue that Andrew Bynum is one of the 5 best centers in basketball RIGHT NOW...
 
I am not going to sit here and try to convince you that Andris SHOULD be #5. But I would love to know how any of you can say that Bynum deserves to be. He is acareer 9ppg 6rpg center. THAT'S the 5th best center in the NBA?
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/\ Yo I swear I was about to post that...that would be crazy if they didn't list him...and still crazy if they do put him on the PG list because he'snot a PG.
 
Uhhh...

That SG list is all kinds of ++#!#% up...

Ray Allen? Where the hell is Roy?

PG list should be:
CP3
DWill
TP
Billups
Rondo
 
smh at ray allen being top 5. it's like people discount the negatives because he is a nice guy.
 
I'ma just go ahead and throw it out there.

Give me Rose over Rondo. I'm not talking potential either. Right now...I'll take Rose over Rondo.
 
Originally Posted by I NaSmatic I

I'm bored:

C: Dwight Howard, Tim Duncan (he basically plays C), Yao Ming, Shaquille O'Neal and Al Jefferson.
PF: Dirk Nowitzki, Pau Gasol, Chris Bosh, Kevin Garnett and Amare Stoudemire. Amare, Bosh, Garnett, Gasol
SF: LeBron James, Kevin Durant, Carmelo Anthony, Paul Pierce and Caron Butler. Melo, KD, PP, Caron
SG: Kobe Bryant, Dwyane Wade, Brandon Roy, Joe Johnson and Vince Carter.
PG: Chris Paul, Deron Williams, Tony Parker, Chauncey Billups and Steve Nash. Chauncey, TP, Nash.
Since I agree with most of this, I just changed mine around SLIGHTLY.
 
I think Rose will be top 3 by the end of next season.

He's in the "he's so good already that I expect him to leap frog over his comp" boat like Durant.
 
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