Toyota won.

[juice2352]

Originally Posted by TacC4

Originally Posted by Juice2352

Originally Posted by TacC4

Originally Posted by joesarge

I guess we'll risk anything for a deal, lol.

What's the risk? You taking a chance that you're not smart enough to put a car in neutral? Wooooooooah, don't go too far out on that limb. 

  In the immortal words of Tom Sizemore, "Its not a spaceship *+@*%%!, drive."

How about company integrity?  OTHER safety concerns?  Reputation? 

Huh? So I'm risking TOYOTA'S integrity by purchasing a car from them? Seems like, if anything, I'd be risking MY integrity by buying a Toyota. What other safety concerns should I have? Every car, from every manufacturer can kill its occupants and other drivers. You're driving 3000+ lbs of metal and plastic @70mph. Please don't tell me you think that driving a car is inherently safe, and has only been made dangerous by Toyota. If you have other safety concerns then you're going to have to bike/bus/train/walk your way around town or build your own car because every major manufacturer has had a recall at some point in its history.

I meant Toyota's management/execs LACK of integrity is a risk.  Let's not forget the internal emails that leaked out about them gloating for skimping on safety procedures/recalls.   As far as safety goes...they've had ABS/brake system problems, floor mat issues, steering issues, shaft issues, and accelerator problems as well.  This was beyond a "typical" recall, especially given the vast number of problems in such a short time span. 

 

[rko2004]

Originally Posted by mondaynightraw

Originally Posted by Liquor Poker

Originally Posted by ninjahood

Originally Posted by CrunkJuicedUp

Camry>charger

v8 > v6/4 banger

rear wheel drive >>>>>>>>>>>front wheel drive

top trim charger >>>>>>>>>top trim Camry

People always quick to get defensive when people say A>B.

Maybe ya'll have different needs? No need to defend to the death your point of view.

Besides, a person looking at a Camry isn't likely to be looking at a Charger as an alternative. They're in different classes and serve different purposes.

Word

one is meant to last 10 years

the other is meant to last 10 months

Maybe the Charger is the one that last 10 years. There is a guy on a charger forum I go on that had a 2006 Charger with 156,000 miles on it. Judging from what He was saying, He took care of his car.

I'm not saying that cars don't have issues but dude, along with I'm sure many others out there have driven their Chargers in the ground, into the 100Ks, and they still run just fine.

 

[imperialh8]

Originally Posted by Qpitfighter

Reading this thread shows that NT is full of 12 and 13 year olds who don't know anything. I'd be interested to see what kind of profit Toyota made during this "40% increase" in sales. Toyota still hasn't settled the lawsuits they will certainly face. Those lawsuits will cost the company a crap load of money. In my opinion, someone has to be crazy to buy a recalled toyota right now. That just tells me that people bought the floor mat nonsense or metal piece to accelerator garbage.

Then u have people saying to put the car in neutral. Guess what. Unless u are in the situation where your Toyota is speeding, u don't know what works. Try shifting into neutral when it won't shift because the problem is electric... then what.

My problem with Toyota is that their own documents showed that they were aware of the problem. Insurance companies contacted Toyota after an increase in accidents where a Toyota driver claimed the accelerator stuck, yet Toyota did nothing. They actually tried to hide it.

 

[redd spyder]

so for a new young driver what is the best car to have if not a toyota?

 

[thunderchunk69]

Originally Posted by SEND ONE

Time for another Camry.

 

[diego]

Originally Posted by mondaynightraw

Camrys aren't that bad

and you can make them look NICE

IE

I know very little about cars. That said Im currently pushing an 09 Camry fully loaded (sorry ninjahood).
I hate the fact that cab drivers are now pushing Camrys. What kinds of mods does this car have that I could do to my car to make it a little nicer like this white one above (I just notice the tints and the rims)?
Im not really into anything fancy or screaming for attention in my car.

 

[stillmatic23]

Toyota won, the purchasers might be the losers in the long run. lol

 

[mondaynightraw]

Originally Posted by Diego

Originally Posted by mondaynightraw

Camrys aren't that bad

and you can make them look NICE

IE

I know very little about cars. That said Im currently pushing an 09 Camry fully loaded (sorry ninjahood).
I hate the fact that cab drivers are now pushing Camrys. What kinds of mods does this car have that I could do to my car to make it a little nicer like this white one above (I just notice the tints and the rims)?
Im not really into anything fancy or screaming for attention in my car.

Stock lip kit
Forged wheels(2500-3k easy)
suspension

 

[sorkoram]

 

[qpitfighter]

So much for Toyota winning huh?

Toyota hit with $16M fine over recalls in US



By KEN THOMAS, Associated Press Writer – 3 mins ago
WASHINGTON – Toyota Motor Corp. faces a maximum penalty of more than $16 million, a record civil penalty against an automaker, for failing to promptly notify the U.S. government about defective gas pedals among its vehicles.

Toyota has recalled more than 6 million vehicles in the U.S., and more than 8 million worldwide, because of acceleration problems in multiple models and braking issues in the Prius hybrid.
Transportation Secretary Ray LaHood said Monday that documents obtained from the Japanese automaker showed that Toyota knew of the problem with the sticking gas pedals in late September but did not issue a recall until late January. The sticking gas pedal recall involved 2.3 million vehicles.

"We now have proof that Toyota failed to live up to its legal obligations," LaHood said in a statement. "Worse yet, they knowingly hid a dangerous defect for months from U.S. officials and did not take action to protect millions of drivers and their families."
For those reasons, LaHood said, the government is seeking fine of $16.375 million, the maximum penalty possible. In 2004, General Motors paid a record $1 million fine for responding too slowly on a recall of nearly 600,000 vehicles over windshield wiper failure.

Toyota officials did not immediately respond to the announcement. The automaker has two weeks to accept or contest the penalty.
Under federal law, automakers must notify the department's National Highway Traffic Safety Administration within five days of determining that a safety defect exists and promptly conduct a recall.
The Transportation Department said the penalty against Toyota is specifically tied to the sticking pedal defect and Toyota could face additional penalties under the government's ongoing investigation.
The government has linked 52 deaths to crashes allegedly caused by accelerator problems in Toyotas. The recalls have led to congressional hearings, a criminal investigation by federal prosecutors, dozens of lawsuits and an intense review by the Transportation Department.

Toyota has attributed the problem to sticking gas pedals and accelerators that can become jammed in floor mats, and has cited no evidence of an electrical problem. Toyota dealers have fixed 1.7 million vehicles under recall so far.
Consumer groups have said electronics could be the culprit, and dozens of Toyota owners who had their cars fixed in the recall have complained of more problems with their vehicles surging forward unexpectedly.
Reviews of some recent high-profile crashes in San Diego and suburban New York have failed to find a mechanical or electronic problem. In the New York case, a police investigation found that the driver, not the car, was to blame.
Following the recalls, the Transportation Department demanded in February that Toyota turn over documents detailing when and how it learned of the problems with sticking accelerators and with floor mats trapping gas pedals.

NHTSA said documents provided by Toyota showed the automaker knew about the sticky pedal defect since at least Sept. 29, 2009, when it issued repair procedures to distributors in 31 European countries and Canada to address complaints of sticking pedals, sudden increases in engine RPM and sudden vehicle acceleration.
The government said the documents also show that Toyota knew that owners in the United States had experienced the same problems. Toyota has provided NHTSA with more than 70,000 pages of documents during the investigation.

 

[crazy dav0]

^^^ 16 mill ain't much ... so for now they're ok ...

when its all said and done though they're going to wish that they addressed the situation properly from the start

w/ consumers buying up their cars b/c of the "deals" and willingness to put their lives at risk b4 finding out the extent of the recall damage, toyota is good

 

[nicedudewithnicedreams]

Toyota won for the month of March. April is another story with this new $16 million penalty. Will car buyers be affected?

The Govt on a roll with this big investigation on Toyota and that hearing couple months back. Some people might say the Govt is just doing their job to protect the citizens of the United States, but people can't ignore how much money the Govt used to bail out GM and Chrysler last year. Moving forward, it will be interesting to see how the Govt reacts to recalls from domestic automakers. Like this potential recall:

http://detnews.com/article/20100405/AUTO01/4050397/1361/Feds-probe-6.2M-GM-vehicles-over-brakes


Last Updated: April 05. 2010 3:30PM
[h1]Feds probe 6.2M GM vehicles over brakes[/h1][h4]David Shepardson / Detroit News Washington Bureau[/h4]
Washington -- The National Highway Traffic Safety Administration has opened a preliminary investigation into 6.2 million General Motors Co. vehicles for possible corrosion of vehicle brake lines.

NHTSA's investigation -- made public today -- includes 6 million 1999-2003 GM pickups and SUVs and 189,000 2003 2500 heavy-duty pickups. The investigation covers all models built -- not all models remaining on the roads -- so the actual number could be lower than 6.2 million.

NHTSA says it has received 110 complaints, including allegations of three crashes.

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"The complaints allege the loss of braking effectiveness due to brake line rupture because of corrosion," NHTSA investigator Chris Lash said in a government filing. "In 37 of these complaints, the brake line failure was confirmed by a dealer inspection."

The owners allege that the crashes were caused by a corroded brake line.

GM spokesman Alan Adler said the company was working with NHTSA.

"We are aware of it and we are cooperating," Adler said.

NHTSA received a March 2 petition seeking an investigation of 2003 Chevrolet Silverado 2500 HD pickups. The petition said the brake line corrosion "led to a large increase in stopping distance and with the brake pedal pushed to the floor."

The complaint said the incident happened after just six years of service and under normal driving conditions.

Sidebar, surprised Billy Hoyle isn't in the thread now with the $16 million penalty announcement on Toyota. Bankruptcy is next.