Where does Dirk Nowitzki lie on all-time PF list?

1993-9420GSWNBA767632.17.513.6.5520.00.2.0002.54.7.5324.05.19.13.61.22.22.73.317.5
1994-9521WSBNBA545238.38.617.4.4950.72.7.2762.24.3.5023.75.99.64.71.51.63.13.420.1
1995-9622WSBNBA151537.210.018.4.5431.02.3.4412.74.6.5942.55.17.65.01.80.63.33.423.7
1996-9723WSBNBA727239.08.416.2.5180.82.1.3972.54.3.5653.37.010.34.61.71.93.23.620.1
1997-9824WASNBA717139.69.118.9.4820.92.9.3172.84.7.5892.57.09.53.81.61.72.63.821.9
1998-9925SACNBA424240.99.018.5.4860.10.8.1181.94.1.4543.59.413.04.11.42.13.53.520.0
1999-0026SACNBA757538.410.020.6.4830.41.3.2844.15.5.7512.58.010.54.61.61.72.93.524.5
2000-0127SACNBA707040.511.223.4.4810.00.4.0714.66.6.7032.68.511.14.21.31.72.83.227.1
2001-0228SACNBA545438.49.919.9.4950.10.4.2634.76.3.7492.87.310.14.81.71.42.93.424.5
2002-0329SACNBA676739.19.921.4.4610.10.3.2383.25.3.6072.48.110.55.41.61.33.23.023.0
2003-0430SACNBA232336.17.618.3.4130.00.2.2003.55.0.7112.16.68.74.61.30.92.63.318.7
2004-0531SACNBA464636.39.019.9.4490.20.6.3793.13.9.7992.07.79.75.51.50.72.93.121.3
2004-0531TOTNBA676735.48.319.1.4330.20.7.3412.73.4.7941.97.29.14.71.40.82.73.219.5
2004-0531PHINBA212133.46.817.4.3910.20.7.2671.82.3.7761.76.17.93.11.20.92.33.315.6
2005-0632PHINBA757538.68.219.0.4340.31.0.2733.54.6.7562.57.49.93.41.40.82.42.920.2
2006-0733DETNBA434229.74.79.5.4890.00.1.3332.03.1.6362.04.76.73.01.00.61.72.511.3
2006-0733TOTNBA616029.94.710.5.4520.10.2.3641.72.6.6382.05.17.23.11.00.71.82.311.2
2006-0733PHINBA181830.24.912.8.3870.10.3.4001.01.6.6432.16.28.33.41.00.81.82.011.0
2007-0834GSWNBA9814.01.73.4.4840.00.0
0.61.3.4170.23.33.62.00.40.71.21.93.9
Career

NBA83182737.18.718.1.4790.31.1.2993.04.7.6492.77.09.84.21.41.42.83.220.7
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^ Webber


1998-9920DALNBA472420.42.97.1.4050.31.4.2062.12.7.7730.92.63.41.00.60.61.62.28.2
1999-0021DALNBA828135.86.313.6.4611.43.7.3793.54.2.8301.25.26.52.50.80.81.73.117.5
2000-0122DALNBA828238.17.215.2.4741.84.8.3875.56.6.8381.57.79.22.11.01.21.93.021.8
2001-0223DALNBA767638.07.916.6.4771.84.6.3975.86.8.8531.68.49.92.41.11.01.92.923.4
2002-0324DALNBA808039.08.618.6.4631.94.9.3796.06.9.8811.08.99.93.01.41.01.92.625.1
2003-0425DALNBA777737.97.917.0.4621.33.8.3414.85.5.8771.27.58.72.71.21.41.82.821.8
2004-0526DALNBA787838.78.518.5.4591.22.9.3997.99.1.8691.28.59.73.11.21.52.32.826.1
2005-0627DALNBA818138.19.319.3.4801.43.3.4066.77.4.9011.47.69.02.80.71.01.92.026.6
2006-0728DALNBA787836.28.617.2.5020.92.2.4166.47.1.9041.67.38.93.40.70.82.12.224.6
2007-0829DALNBA777736.08.217.1.4791.02.9.3596.27.1.8791.27.38.63.50.70.92.12.623.6
2008-0930DALNBA818137.79.620.0.4790.82.1.3596.06.7.8901.17.38.42.40.80.81.92.225.9
2009-1031DALNBA111137.98.920.4.4381.02.9.3447.58.2.9110.68.49.02.81.21.61.62.126.3
Career

NBA85082636.67.916.8.4721.33.4.3785.76.5.8721.37.38.62.70.91.01.92.622.8
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^ Nowitzki

Just for the sake of arguments...
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Originally Posted by North Dade Represent

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If you have seen any McHale footage, he was automatic in the post and a tough defender to score on with those Frankenstein arms. Barkley called him the toughest defender he had to face.
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I'm old enough to have watched his last 4-5 years in the league. It's hard to put McHale up there because he never had to lead a team. He was a great scorer and rebounder, but in the clutch you know the ball was going to Larry Legend.
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McHale had arguable one of THE BEST post games EVER. He had moves and counter moves for everything. Dude was a beast in the paint.
 
I don't think he's Top 5 yet...

He's in the back of the Top 10, probably...

I'd rather have Dirk than Webber, but I can see the argument for Webber...


He's still got years left in him, so let's let this thing play out a little longer... It'd be interesting to see if getting a rind would have thesame kinda of impact on people's opinions for Dirk as it did for Garnett... I doubt it.
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here we go with using !$+##** stats to make a case for someone

i would take webber over dirk, but dirk got some years left so will proably pass him

there is no way Dirk Can pass KG tho
 
Does anyone have any vids or proof of Chris Webber making a last second shot? I can't think of any.

Is it like footage of big foot, kinda grainy, not really sure if it's him and @#$%?

Or how bout this, does anyone have any vids or proof of Chirs even TAKING a last second shot? Can I see that?
 
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There's one.........in the regular season.........against an East team.......ok, good stuff.

What else we got?
 
Originally Posted by JapanAir21

Originally Posted by westcoastsfinest

Originally Posted by JapanAir21

Nah, KG is over Dirk until he gets a ring. I don't think there's any debate.
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does that mean gasol over dirk cause he has a ring?
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God you're a moron if you really need to ask that.
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No, because KG and Dirk have been on the same level virtually their entire careers.

Pau Gasol was never at either of their levels.

It's like saying Robert Horry deserves to be in the talks of all-time greats.
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kg and dirk on the same level?
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...if anything duncan and kg are the ones who are identical

kg has been in numerous defensive teams and has a DPOY award...dirk might be a better offensive player but kg is in a higher level than dirkoverall...regardless if kg had a ring or not id choose him over dirk 10 times out of 10

oh and dirk>webber...are you guys seriously putting webber over dirk?...why?
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btw JA
robert horry>all
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Originally Posted by grittyman20

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Dirk hits a game winner, and then NTer makes post placing him as one of the goats.

Perfect.
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Shortly after Wade's dunk on Varejao, dudes were debating whether is was the best ever.
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C-Webb has better passing, post game

Dirk obviously has the shooting

C-Webb in his prime was absolutely sick, he was every bit the franchise player Dirk is now

minus the whole crunchtime thing
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Originally Posted by HarlemToTheBronx

Originally Posted by grittyman20

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Dirk hits a game winner, and then NTer makes post placing him as one of the goats.

Perfect.
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Shortly after Wade's dunk on Varejao, dudes were debating whether is was the best ever.
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Yup, I brought up about 50 dunks better, but they swore Wade's was right up there.
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And JA, Robert Horry is the best PF of them all. He got all the criteria met. Rings, and moments. He wins.

Robert > All.

Say it with me Kings fans, Horry.....For the WIN!!!!
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Originally Posted by CP1708

Originally Posted by HarlemToTheBronx

Originally Posted by grittyman20

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Dirk hits a game winner, and then NTer makes post placing him as one of the goats.

Perfect.
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Shortly after Wade's dunk on Varejao, dudes were debating whether is was the best ever.
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Yup, I brought up about 50 dunks better, but they swore Wade's was right up there.
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And JA, Robert Horry is the best PF of them all. He got all the criteria met. Rings, and moments. He wins.

Robert > All.

Say it with me Kings fans, Horry.....For the WIN!!!!
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I'll defend the wade dunk since ol' Jeff Maier was taking a shot at me
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no one said the dunk was the best ever...BUT, it's not inconceivable that this dunk be mentioned amongst some of the best all-time in the NBA....that'sall.



*btw...what was this thread about?
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27, 11, 4, 1, and 1.
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how was webber not mvp? if only iverson hadnt had to drag his team to victory night in and night out.


coincidentally bosh is currently averaging 28, 12, 2, 1 and 1.
 
These all time lists are silly and pointless...there is no standard criteria and we only have opinions about the players we have witnessed with our own eyes.The older greats are either ignored or their accomplishments are downplayed because they played in an era "where all the other post players were6'5" or whatever the flavor of the month ex
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ESPN did a list of the Top 10 PF's of all time they had all of these players ranked ahead of Dirk (who was ranked 10 by the way)

1. Duncan











2. Malone











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4. McHale











5. Pettit











6. Garnett











7. Hayes











8. Debusschere











9. B. Williams











10. Nowitzki











5. Bob Pettit - Milwaukee/St. Louis Hawks 1955-1965
Defined power-forward position. Before him there were just forwards. Pettit's Hawks topped the Celtics with Bob Cousy and Bill Russell in the NBA Finals in 1958. This top 50 player off all-time averaged 26.4 points over his career. This is quite a feat considering the era in which he played.

7. Elvin Hayes - San Diego/Houston Rockets, Baltimore/Capital/Washington Bullets 1969-1984
The Big E was an offensive machine. He could score from anywhere plus rebound and defend. Hayes voted one of the top 50 players of all-time. Won a championship with Washington in 1978 and is its all-time leader in points and blocked shots.


8. Dave DeBusschere - Detroit Pistons,
New York Knicks 1963-1974
One of the links to two championship teams in New York in 1970 and 1973. DeBusschere was a strong, smart forward who could shoot with the best of them. He was voted as one of the top 50 players of all time.

9. Buck Williams - New Jersey Nets, Portland Trail Blazers, New York Knicks 1982-1998
Buck played 17 seasons with three teams and was one of the toughest, hard-nosed leaders of his era. Like Garnett, he came to play every single night. Buck is the all-time leading scorer and rebounder in New Jersey Nets history and helped the Blazers get to the Finals in 1990.
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Originally Posted by Clutchshooter

27, 11, 4, 1, and 1.
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how was webber not mvp? if only iverson hadnt had to drag his team to victory night in and night out.
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Neither Iverson nor Webber deserved MVP that year. Shaq averaged 28.7 points, 12.7 rebounds, 3.7 assists and 2.8 blocks that year. Duncan should've beensecond in MVP that year BTW. And he was, except that Iveron was 1st, which should've been Shaq.
 
Originally Posted by Xtapolapacetl

Originally Posted by Clutchshooter

27, 11, 4, 1, and 1.
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how was webber not mvp? if only iverson hadnt had to drag his team to victory night in and night out.
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Neither Iverson nor Webber deserved MVP that year. Shaq averaged 28.7 points, 12.7 rebounds, 3.7 assists and 2.8 blocks that year. Duncan should've been second in MVP that year BTW. And he was, except that Iveron was 1st, which should've been Shaq.
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stoneface yourself. lame#$%^.

you didnt even watch basketball that year if you dont think iverson almost singlehandedly taking that crappy@ss team to a #1 seed was MVP worthy.

but you did just state that Duncan wasnt a pf on the last page so im not going to bother responding to anything else your unaware #$% has to say.
 
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