Why Don't Americans Elect Scientists?

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February 13, 2012, 10:32 PM[h1]Why Don’t Americans Elect Scientists?[/h1]By JOHN ALLEN PAULOS
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Wolfgang Kumm/Pool, via ReutersAngela Merkel touring an exhibit in 2009 that showed different trends in science.

I’ve visited Singapore a few times in recent years and been impressed with its wealth and modernity. I was also quite aware of its world-leading programs in mathematics education and naturally noted that one of the candidates for president was Tony Tan, who has a Ph.D. in applied mathematics. Tan won the very close election and joined the government of Prime Minister Lee Hsien Loong, who also has a degree in mathematics.

China has even more scientists in key positions in the government. President Hu Jintao was trained as a hydraulic engineer and Premier Wen Jiabao as a geomechanical engineer. In fact, eight out of the nine top government officials in China have scientific backgrounds. There is a scattering of scientist-politicians in high government positions in other countries as well. German Chancellor Angela Merkel has a doctorate in physical chemistry, and, going back a bit, Margaret Thatcher earned a degree in chemistry.

One needn’t endorse the politics of these people or countries to feel that given the complexities of an ever more technologically sophisticated world, the United States could benefit from the participation and example of more scientists in government. This is obviously no panacea — Herbert Hoover was an engineer, after all — but more people with scientific backgrounds would be a welcome counterweight to the vast majority of legislators and other officials in this country who are lawyers.

Among the 435 members of the House, for example, there are one physicist, one chemist, one microbiologist, six engineers and nearly two dozen representatives with medical training. The case of doctors and the body politic is telling. Everyone knows roughly what doctors do, and so those with medical backgrounds escape the anti-intellectual charge of irrelevance often thrown at those in the hard sciences. Witness Senator Bill Frist, Gov. Howard Dean and even Ron Paul.

This showing is sparse even with the inclusion of the doctors, but it shouldn’t be too surprising. For complex historical reasons, Americans have long privately dismissed scientists and mathematicians as impractical and elitist, even while publicly paying lip service to them.

One reason is that an abstract, scientific approach to problems and issues often leads to conclusions that are at odds with religious and cultural beliefs and scientists are sometimes tone-deaf to the social environment in which they state their conclusions. A more politically sensitive approach to problems and issues, on the other hand, often leads to positions that simply don’t jibe with the facts, no matter how delicately phrased. Examples as diverse as stem cell research and the economic stimulus abound.

Politicians, whose job is in many ways more difficult than that of scientists, naturally try to sway their disparate constituencies, but the prevailing celebrity-infatuated, money-driven culture and their personal ambitions often lead them to employ rhetorical tricks rather than logical arguments. Both Republicans and Democrats massage statistics, use numbers to provide decoration rather than information, dismiss, or at least distort, the opinions of experts, torture the law of the excluded middle (i.e., flip-flop), equivocate, derogate and obfuscate.

Dinosaurs cavorting with humans, climate scientists cooking up the global warming “hoax,
 
Good article. Lack of charisma and electability probably are factors. With elections here basically popularity contests, and the vogue thing is to be portrayed as "rogue" or an "outsider" (which is BS and a whole other discussion), scientists like the article says are considered elite and probably unrelatable to the common man (even though scientist are 100x more common man than politicians).

Besides it's probably easier to just hire a bunch of advisors that you can pay to lie and make up stuff for you.
 
Americans like the real nice speaker, like Obama and Clinton, but, very stereotypical but you find a math major in that high level chances are he won't be the most well-versed in Public Speaking.
 
Scientist would be BY FAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAR the best candidates because they understand the effects things can have socially, environmentally and how science actually works. Elect ability and lip service means more.
 
Originally Posted by kickstart

Most don't have the social skills outside of lab or a life.


You can tell who have never had any interaction with intelligent people with comments like this
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Physicians are scientists, and they have the most unique personalities IMO out of any other profession out there, and social/communication skills are obviously a part of the core competencies of a good physician


If being laughed at for being an idiot is part of what makes the personality of conservative religious leaders great, then you're absolutely correct---these people are comedy
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Originally Posted by milestailsprowe

Scientist would be BY FAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAR the best candidates because they understand the effects things can have socially, environmentally and how science actually works. Elect ability and lip service means more.

no, scientists and people of that sort are better served behind the scenes as advisors. Politicians need "stage presence". Its like you can have the indie band who has great music they write themselves, but put on a crappy live show. Or you can have kanye and Jay with their WTT tour exploding peoples minds. You have to be able to engage people and make them fell secure. Thats what great orators can do. Also when dealing with foreign relations, the way a politican carries themselves is key. Obama has that swagger about him that says, " even if I dont know whats going on, you'd never know"
 
Because they need to focus on finding a %%@%!$* cure for gonorreha. Thats why. Let Mitt Romney run this country in the ground, as long as I am not itching my junk every minute or worrying about the discharge stains in my khakis, I am good.
 
Originally Posted by Scott Frost

Because they need to focus on finding a %%@%!$* cure for gonorreha. Thats why. Let Mitt Romney run this country in the ground, as long as I am not itching my junk every minute or worrying about the discharge stains in my khakis, I am good.


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Originally Posted by Scott Frost

Because they need to focus on finding a %%@%!$* cure for gonorreha. Thats why. Let Mitt Romney run this country in the ground, as long as I am not itching my junk every minute or worrying about the discharge stains in my khakis, I am good.

I was about to post this, it's also possible that a lot of scientists are simply not interested in politics but I wish more of them were


Random fact i just found out that shocked me, Ron Paul has a Medical Degree from Duke and used to practice OBGYN in the military and in private practice
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Originally Posted by blakep267

Originally Posted by milestailsprowe

Scientist would be BY FAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAR the best candidates because they understand the effects things can have socially, environmentally and how science actually works. Elect ability and lip service means more.

no, scientists and people of that sort are better served behind the scenes as advisors. Politicians need "stage presence". Its like you can have the indie band who has great music they write themselves, but put on a crappy live show. Or you can have kanye and Jay with their WTT tour exploding peoples minds. You have to be able to engage people and make them fell secure. Thats what great orators can do. Also when dealing with foreign relations, the way a politican carries themselves is key. Obama has that swagger about him that says, " even if I dont know whats going on, you'd never know"
Ok as AntonLaVey  said we have people of science like Physicians and more. They deal with people on personal levels everyday. Part of a doctors job is  making people feel secure in any situation. The advisor can and WILL be ignored if the main politicians feels its better to do the opposite on lets say a gut/religious reason. Scientist in high positions would do nothing but help this country. Instead of 50 debates a year on religious issues we just get cold hard facts and how we can fix the issues from a combinations of psychologist   , sociologist, mathematician, engineers and biologist. 
 
really though it does make sense that you need someone with stage presence, but I think the are scientists who can speak well and have a swagger. I think putty is right that most do not want anything to do with politics, but they would be very nice to have in political positions or at least behind the scenes telling the president what to do.

Not really anything to do with this but I would vote for George Clooney from the Ides of March
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Originally Posted by shoefreakbaby

Since when was the pope a Government Official

The pope is a leader, I posted it to show that religious leaders don't exactly have the most "social" personalities--Nothing about the pope's personality is particularly inviting

The Pope has also historically held and still holds political power
 
because they arent as convincing as politicians and scientists tell the truth and ppl cant handle the truth
 
Originally Posted by ILL LEGAL OPERATION

Because they don't know @*#! about running a country.
Yet we have politicians like the ones in the republican race everywhere. The scientist would know how your food is made to how socially people would behave in certain events to whats the best way to power your car. 
 
Technocracy has yet to hit our shores. (As with many other international trends that work.)
 
Originally Posted by milestailsprowe

Originally Posted by ILL LEGAL OPERATION

Because they don't know @*#! about running a country.
Yet we have politicians like the ones in the republican race everywhere. The scientist would know how your food is made to how socially people would behave in certain events to whats the best way to power your car. 
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Someone needs to be in control of the science and the answers the scientists find. There's always a bigger picture to look at. For example, there could possibly be a cure to cancer but its not out because of the profit and population control. If scientists were if office they would just come out with the cure. And I dont know if thats a bad thing or a good thing. Everyones always up in arms about what the government hides but sometimes I think it may be a good thing that they keep secrets. Again, there may be a bigger picture to look at, its not always about greed. May be some or most of the time but not always.
 
don't ya'll watch movies, whenever there's a outbreak or the worlds about to blow up its always the scientist fault

so its safe to assume all scientists are the Devil

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