Yo Can Someone Explain Sampling Clearances

[liquidcream]

like the whole process of how a sample gets cleared. Thanks

 

[Original Playa Records]

Yep, that's all you have to do, but they are going to want $, especillaly if theyre a H.A.N.

 

[blackbenz]

is that why kanye not top 10 on forbes

 

[flossb15]

^pretty much - and thats why they tell up and coming producers to clear before hand because it might be cheaper... think about it:

indie / unknown artists - they know you wont sell a lot so they take the cash up front, to try to get what they can from you, but if you wait and then end upselling your beat to Jay-z, then they will try to take 100% or the total 200% of the total publishing

LESSON - 100% goes to writing the song and another 100% goes to producer

so you being unknown - they might just ask for 10,000 to clear - but you being Kanye or Just Blaze - they might want 50% of produers publishing - which couldbe far greater than 10,000 if you sell well like Beyonce or Mary J Blige or 50 cent

in such cases as the Beatles - their estate charges 96% - making sampling the beatles not worth it for a producer

MAX B - gave up his pub. to jim jones - so if he writes a hit cause i assume he doesnt make beats - he is handing over 100% of his writing money to jim jones -not only that, since it is jim jones material, he could potentially let MAX release an album, get the money and sue MAX at the same time, when max goes toperform said songs

 

[ricardo malta]

Jimmy got Max career in a choke hold

 

[illphillip]

Correct me if I'm wrong but don't you need to clear it with both the publisher and the master rights owner?

 

[optimusprimeaphia]

Originally Posted by BlackBenz

is that why kanye not top 10 on forbes

Probably. I heard that his first three albums are still in the red...

 

[flossb15]

just the master - since they own the rights - publishing (writing and producer) might not own the songs ex) Reasonable Doubt - so they wouldnt be paying thepublisher in that case, but the owner of masters will always get paid

it just so happens that the big artists and semi big artist own their masters and publishing and in some cases may own 10% of their master and all of pub, soit might be some paperwork to work out, to whether or not they like the artist work and if they feel they have created original music from the sampled piece

Another ex. is Prince - and the whole SLAVE on his face ordeal -he doesnt own any of those songs from his early days - so to get permission to sample, youwould need Warner Bros approval

like new producers who have production deals by a company, nowadays get a list from the company of old songs to sample - cause they know they can clear it,becuase they own it

the co producer which Lupe Fiasco based HIP HOP saved my life - gets a list and access to all the old songs his label has rights too, and they pay for him tomake beats, and guarantee him two placements if his work is up to par

 

[tmukg21]

Originally Posted by OptimusPrimeAPhiA

Originally Posted by BlackBenz

is that why kanye not top 10 on forbes

Probably. I heard that his first three albums are still in the red...

Jay probably warned him about all that sampling,

Lets say this is true. Then how can Ye' get back in the black with Def Jam? how can an album from 2004 not be paid off? (all the producers,Def Jam'scut, master owners,etc)

 

[rhymestein]

I actually got an Ojays sample(Stairway to Heaven) cleared last year for a song putting out this year..
Being that I'm an independent artist with an independent label, Warner Bros. cleared it for like $200 up front andthey wanted like 1% of 10% of the royalties or something like that. it was cheap, but the only thing is it takes time to clear it.
There's a process of sending in papers, the song, usage of the sample, and what you plan on doing with thesong..

Edit- actually we got that sample cleared in January/February.. and the song will be on my project coming out inJanuary..

 

[asu334]

Starts deleting random samples off computer


Quick question tho if u dont "sell" the beat and give it away for free can they still sue you

Or if u give it to the artist and they start making money off it like show money etc. but no album money is it still the producer thats liable?

The Heatmakers made it look so easy

 

[rhymestein]

Originally Posted by asu334

Starts deleting random samples off computer


Quick question tho if u dont "sell" the beat and give it away for free can they still sue you

Or if u give it to the artist and they start making money off it like show money etc. but no album money is it still the producer thats liable?

The Heatmakers made it look so easy

To be honest, they say if you not moving major units then the sample could go under the radarperiod..
But if an artist is using it, from my understanding, it's the artist responsibility to get it cleared UNLESS it'sin the produced/artist agreement for the producer to get the sample cleared..
And as far as making show money off a song, but no album money, that doesn't really add up. Cause people not gonnapay to go see an artist for a song that they've never heard, unless it's just a song in your set that you do and you getting paid to perform off anovajoint.

 

[asu334]

Originally Posted by Rhymestein

Originally Posted by asu334

Starts deleting random samples off computer


Quick question tho if u dont "sell" the beat and give it away for free can they still sue you

Or if u give it to the artist and they start making money off it like show money etc. but no album money is it still the producer thats liable?

The Heatmakers made it look so easy

To be honest, they say if you not moving major units then the sample could go under the radar period..
But if an artist is using it, from my understanding, it's the artist responsibility to get it cleared UNLESS it's in the produced/artist agreement for the producer to get the sample cleared..
And as far as making show money off a song, but no album money, that doesn't really add up. Cause people not gonna pay to go see an artist for a song that they've never heard, unless it's just a song in your set that you do and you getting paid to perform off anova joint.

Naw fam that happens more than you know as far as the mixtape game goes these dudes be in the studio just tryin to make radio songs get they localDJ to play it make several more songs like it and sell or give it away for cheap on a mixtape create buzz and get $10,000 a show at a club or party ala thesedudes with 50 mixtapes and no albums

 

[moneymakinmatt]

Originally Posted by flossb15

^pretty much - and thats why they tell up and coming producers to clear before hand because it might be cheaper... think about it:

indie / unknown artists - they know you wont sell a lot so they take the cash up front, to try to get what they can from you, but if you wait and then end up selling your beat to Jay-z, then they will try to take 100% or the total 200% of the total publishing

LESSON - 100% goes to writing the song and another 100% goes to producer

so you being unknown - they might just ask for 10,000 to clear - but you being Kanye or Just Blaze - they might want 50% of produers publishing - which could be far greater than 10,000 if you sell well like Beyonce or Mary J Blige or 50 cent

in such cases as the Beatles - their estate charges 96% - making sampling the beatles not worth it for a producer

MAX B - gave up his pub. to jim jones - so if he writes a hit cause i assume he doesnt make beats - he is handing over 100% of his writing money to jim jones - not only that, since it is jim jones material, he could potentially let MAX release an album, get the money and sue MAX at the same time, when max goes to perform said songs

Okay...you're wrong and you're right...

I'll start of with what you got wrong...there is not 200% of a song...when you hear a producer say he own's 100% of his publishing that means heown's 50% of everysong he produces...The other 50% goes to the song writer....the PERFORMER does not get publishing, unless your big enough to demand it,like Beyonce. If she doesnt write the song (which she rarely does) she will ask for some of the writers publishing because you're gonna get rich off of hersinging your song. Now if you are a producer is a production deal or publishing deal then you may not be getting all 100% of your 50% of the publishing, smaegoes for songwriters? Get it? Good....

Now you're partially write about the Max B situation, he did sign over a portion of his publishing to Jimmy in exchange for bail money but thats not whatstops him from putting out a cd and performing it, if that was the case Puffy would have never let the Lox record anything under Interscope. Only way max couldput out an album tho is under Byrd Gang, which he wont, cuz he signed an 5-7 album deal. Max is pretty much choosing to stall jim out by only releasing promoonly mixtape material Jimmy can't eat off of. Now...some snake Jimmy could do would be to steal a whole verse or hook from Max and put it in a song, and hewouldnt have to pay a dime lol!

 

[lazy b]

That's why Nas "Be a N Too" wasn't on the album. The beat was a sample of a Dr. Pepper jingle that didn't get cleared in time.

 

[crossisom]

Originally Posted by iHateTimeDotCom

^ i was listenin to we fly high yesterday (came on the radio) and i realized that max b wrote that #*$*... he said he wrote that whole album but i aint really "hear" it til yesterday

107.9 is awful, I don't even listen to the radio anymore.

If I do, it's 93.1 or 107.3

.

 

[flossb15]

double post

 

[flossb15]

Nah fam check out bmi it is broken into 200%

100 for writer which I said
100 for producer

I never said anything about performer

I have bmi and I can show you the check stub of where a song was written

There are 3 rappers on the song, and a producer...well the producer was also a writer...his cut was 133 and me and my nomie's was 33% a piece

 

[yardfather]

Man I never knew the whole sampling process was so complicated. No wonder sampling is slowly dying. Hip Hop needs sampling.

I wonder how much DJ Paul & Juicy J could be sued for over all the samples they never cleared.

 

[flossb15]

oh and I know people are gonna say duck tales about my BMI so here is a post i made last year on futurproducers talking about it

made the same post here as well

http://www.futureproducer...s/showthread.php?t=220166

 

[crossisom]

Originally Posted by iHateTimeDotCom

Originally Posted by CROSSISOM

Originally Posted by iHateTimeDotCom

^ i was listenin to we fly high yesterday (came on the radio) and i realized that max b wrote that #*$*... he said he wrote that whole album but i aint really "hear" it til yesterday

107.9 is awful, I don't even listen to the radio anymore.

If I do, it's 93.1 or 107.3

.

nah it wasnt 107... it was 96.5... i only listen to the radio cuz my mom's car has a tape player... if i still had a boombox id make tapes...

107.9 is still bad regardless, as well as 96.5.

 

[dirtydigsmusic]

You know you dont have to clear a sample unless your *$%#% being heard by thousands and thousands of people. and you wont be caught unless the original ownerof the sample has a chance to hear it .... if he/she even listens to hip hop. i work with a lot of west coast underground rappers and producers like planetasia, percee p, roc c, and others... and they dont even clear the samples to some of their songs. they just take the chance. but if you want to be super legitand wait a year to release your project than you should clear your work.

 

[dirtydigsmusic]

the more the producer crate digs and finds the rare records than the less likely you are going to get caught. and chopping samples is important too for"hiding" your sample

 

[liquidcream]

so wait. If a producer samples and sells beats is it on him to clear the sample or the artist?

 

[moneymakinmatt]

Originally Posted by flossb15

Nah fam check out bmi it is broken into 200%

100 for writer which I said
100 for producer

I never said anything about performer

I have bmi and I can show you the check stub of where a song was written

There are 3 rappers on the song, and a producer...well the producer was also a writer...his cut was 133 and me and my nomie's was 33% a piece

My dude...

Clients I manage are nominated for Grammys right now....

I know what im talking about....