YUKU, why don't we just move the general forum? will that help the issues?

[airphilippines]

That's a terrible idea

 

[dipsetgeneral]

So this means The "posting" problem isn't going to be fixed?!

(Posting problem = Sometimes when I post, it can take 5 secs for the reply to post in the thread, or sometimes 30 min for a reply to post in the thread.)

 

[dipsetgeneral]

So this means The "posting" problem isn't going to be fixed?!

(Posting problem = Sometimes when I post, it can take 5 secs for the reply to post in the thread, or sometimes 30 min for a reply to post in the thread.)

 

[Methodical Management]

We're not creating a separate board just for the Lounge forums - in practice it would be very unwieldy and inconvenient for everyone. We're a membership by approval community, so people would have to apply separately just to post in those forums. Beyond that, it's only a temporary fix since we'd still have thousands of pages worth of posts in those forums alone, which is the source of the problem. We need to deal with the root issue.

The next step for us is to trim back EVERY forum to 200 pages, and a script will be written for that purpose soon. Until the auto-archive feature is ready, we'll have an auto-prune feature removing and storing those old posts off-site, which should streamline performance and get load times back to what they should be to ensure the healthy function of the community.

There's NO reason why this shouldn't work - no excuses will be accepted. If you're wondering why other Yuku forums run within reasonable tolerances, it's because we have, and by FAR, the largest post database. No other forum in their network comes close. If we scale back to within the same operating range as other communities, we should receive comparable performance.

So, that's the short term plan. Long term, leaving is still an option, but it has to make financial sense. We're just not taking in enough on a monthly basis to make it work right now, but that can change.

 

[Methodical Management]

We're not creating a separate board just for the Lounge forums - in practice it would be very unwieldy and inconvenient for everyone. We're a membership by approval community, so people would have to apply separately just to post in those forums. Beyond that, it's only a temporary fix since we'd still have thousands of pages worth of posts in those forums alone, which is the source of the problem. We need to deal with the root issue.

The next step for us is to trim back EVERY forum to 200 pages, and a script will be written for that purpose soon. Until the auto-archive feature is ready, we'll have an auto-prune feature removing and storing those old posts off-site, which should streamline performance and get load times back to what they should be to ensure the healthy function of the community.

There's NO reason why this shouldn't work - no excuses will be accepted. If you're wondering why other Yuku forums run within reasonable tolerances, it's because we have, and by FAR, the largest post database. No other forum in their network comes close. If we scale back to within the same operating range as other communities, we should receive comparable performance.

So, that's the short term plan. Long term, leaving is still an option, but it has to make financial sense. We're just not taking in enough on a monthly basis to make it work right now, but that can change.

 

[mr jordan04]

Originally Posted by CLuTcH 713

Making this thread isn't going to change a damn thing. It's pointless.

 

[mr jordan04]

Originally Posted by CLuTcH 713

Making this thread isn't going to change a damn thing. It's pointless.

 

[willy wonka]

sit down and shutup

 

[willy wonka]

sit down and shutup

 

[paul is on tilt]

Originally Posted by Method Man

We're not creating a separate board just for the Lounge forums - in practice it would be very unwieldy and inconvenient for everyone. We're a membership by approval community, so people would have to apply separately just to post in those forums. Beyond that, it's only a temporary fix since we'd still have thousands of pages worth of posts in those forums alone, which is the source of the problem. We need to deal with the root issue.

The next step for us is to trim back EVERY forum to 200 pages, and a script will be written for that purpose soon. Until the auto-archive feature is ready, we'll have an auto-prune feature removing and storing those old posts off-site, which should streamline performance and get load times back to what they should be to ensure the healthy function of the community.

There's NO reason why this shouldn't work - no excuses will be accepted. If you're wondering why other Yuku forums run within reasonable tolerances, it's because we have, and by FAR, the largest post database. No other forum in their network comes close. If we scale back to within the same operating range as other communities, we should receive comparable performance.

So, that's the short term plan. Long term, leaving is still an option, but it has to make financial sense. We're just not taking in enough on a monthly basis to make it work right now, but that can change.

How can it change? I'm all in favor of moving.

 

[paul is on tilt]

Originally Posted by Method Man

We're not creating a separate board just for the Lounge forums - in practice it would be very unwieldy and inconvenient for everyone. We're a membership by approval community, so people would have to apply separately just to post in those forums. Beyond that, it's only a temporary fix since we'd still have thousands of pages worth of posts in those forums alone, which is the source of the problem. We need to deal with the root issue.

The next step for us is to trim back EVERY forum to 200 pages, and a script will be written for that purpose soon. Until the auto-archive feature is ready, we'll have an auto-prune feature removing and storing those old posts off-site, which should streamline performance and get load times back to what they should be to ensure the healthy function of the community.

There's NO reason why this shouldn't work - no excuses will be accepted. If you're wondering why other Yuku forums run within reasonable tolerances, it's because we have, and by FAR, the largest post database. No other forum in their network comes close. If we scale back to within the same operating range as other communities, we should receive comparable performance.

So, that's the short term plan. Long term, leaving is still an option, but it has to make financial sense. We're just not taking in enough on a monthly basis to make it work right now, but that can change.

How can it change? I'm all in favor of moving.

 

[in yo nostril]

moving the lounge forums is actually a good idea. actually i guess it only makes sense to me because i dont go in any of the shoe forums anymore

 

[in yo nostril]

moving the lounge forums is actually a good idea. actually i guess it only makes sense to me because i dont go in any of the shoe forums anymore

 

[ro0ts]

Originally Posted by Method Man

Long term, leaving is still an option, but it has to make financial sense. We're just not taking in enough on a monthly basis to make it work right now, but that can change.

Just out of curiosity, as I always wondered this about ezboard/Yuku, does Yuku allow forum admins to export their user data? Or would that option require all members to start from scratch/re-register?

 

[ro0ts]

Originally Posted by Method Man

Long term, leaving is still an option, but it has to make financial sense. We're just not taking in enough on a monthly basis to make it work right now, but that can change.

Just out of curiosity, as I always wondered this about ezboard/Yuku, does Yuku allow forum admins to export their user data? Or would that option require all members to start from scratch/re-register?

 

[taimaishu123]

remember when everyone was excited when we moved to yuku

. everyone was excited because you can host pics on yuku and our home pages looked cool.

 

[taimaishu123]

remember when everyone was excited when we moved to yuku

. everyone was excited because you can host pics on yuku and our home pages looked cool.

 

[ninjahood]

Wack idea.

 

[ninjahood]

Wack idea.

 

[johnnyredstorm]

Remember that other website that was cool as hell for like three months that nobody ever posts on anymore?

 

[johnnyredstorm]

Remember that other website that was cool as hell for like three months that nobody ever posts on anymore?

 

[badmoonrison]

Originally Posted by balloonoboy

You're seriously talking about running two sites? It's not going to happen.

I think the best thing for everyone to do is just enjoy NT as much as they can.

Constantly complaining about the problem isn't going to make the servers any faster.

OP's idea was creative, though... nothing wrong with thinking outside the box and trying to make things a little better.

 

[badmoonrison]

Originally Posted by balloonoboy

You're seriously talking about running two sites? It's not going to happen.

I think the best thing for everyone to do is just enjoy NT as much as they can.

Constantly complaining about the problem isn't going to make the servers any faster.

OP's idea was creative, though... nothing wrong with thinking outside the box and trying to make things a little better.

 

[Methodical Management]

How can it change? I'm all in favor of moving.

First of all, your primary gripe with Yuku has been the resampling of your avatar and its impact on our max file size limit.  That's a concern for about .0001% of our users.  If we move to vbulletin, the file size limit will remain and you'll probably have to find off-site hosting for it.  We're not looking to incur the associated bandwidth costs of image hosting.

As for what we'd need to boost revenues: basically the ads have to change.  We have a couple of premium ad network options available to us, and that's the path we're pursuing.  User support just isn't sufficient to reliably provide for a new host.  It just isn't there when we've tried to do merchandising etc.  It's more cost effective for our volunteers to just put the same amount of time and energy into a 9 to 5.  Don't even say "do the caps," because you don't want to go there.  Expressed demand for t-shirts prior to the initial launch of the Alpha shirt dwarfed that of the caps.  It's free to say you want something. 

That stuff doesn't scale.  It's just for the pure die hard fan - 1% of our overall audience.  We need to be more efficient in how EVERY visitor is able to help us contribute to the site's upkeep and our community donations - not just the select few that comprise our core. 

remember when everyone was excited when we moved to yuku

. everyone was excited because you can host pics on yuku and our home pages looked cool.
Those features still represent improvements over ezboard.   All of this newfound ezboard love is pure nostalgia.  Did you love the Voltron cartoon series as a kid?  If so, NEVER watch an episode again.  EVER.  The reality won't measure up to your purified memories of it. 

You may remember having fun on the ezboard version of the site, but what you're forgetting is that people HATED ezboard.  It was archaic.  You wouldn't even believe how remedial their administrative control panels were, how stripped down the feature set was, etc.  People were thrilled by the prospect of a platform upgrade, and in the early days the Yuku team was more cooperative and better able to execute our feature requests. 

Yuku now is reaching the same stage ezboard was before we upgraded.  It's cyclical. 

Just out of curiosity, as I always wondered this about ezboard/Yuku, does Yuku allow forum admins to export their user data? Or would that option require all members to start from scratch/re-register?

Yuku's proprietary, which, I have no problem admitting, just plain sucks.  You can't export your own data to another platform.  In part, that's due to privacy agreements.  Since it's all centralized, individual community operators can't access user email addresses, passwords, etc.  So, there's no way we could possibly convert that data.  Public content, like posts, can potentially be converted via script.  It's a rough, inefficient process, but it's better than nothing. 

What we'd probably wind up doing, because we know some of you are really invested in your current accounts and we'd like to minimize the issues associated with impostors etc., is offer a pre-registration service in the months/weeks leading up to any potential move (assuming we commit 100% to another platform.)  Obviously we don't have the person power to convert 50,000 people by hand, coordinating with each one, so we'll need to keep the numbers down.  The best way to do that is to charge a small fee for the service, since it is quite labor intensive and involves manually reentering your post count, join date, and a new password which could then be sent to you via Yuku PM or the email of your choice.  It wouldn't be a huge fund-raiser, but it could either help to offset the moving costs a bit or chip in to a worthy charity.  This is all speculative, of course, but it's something we would almost certainly have to deal with if/when we shift platforms.

I've strongly advocated cross-platform data portability for years now, but you can understand why it's not a big priority for Yuku's developers.  They don't get a lot of vbulletins etc. looking to shift over to Yuku and it's not really in their best interest to help us move off-site.  The problem is, that actually gives us additional incentive to get a move out of the way so we can claim full ownership of our community's data and it can never again be effectively held hostage. 

The good news is that, either way, we expect and demand superior performance from our forum platform - and we're attacking the problem from multiple fronts.  Our goal is to not only boost performance but boost donations dramatically this year.  If we can do both on Yuku, fine.  If not, we'll make it work somewhere else.  Either way, we will not accept or tolerate a continuation of the status quo.  We're building our options, but it's an extensive process and not something you can phone in overnight.  It's a marathon, not a sprint.

 

[Methodical Management]

How can it change? I'm all in favor of moving.

First of all, your primary gripe with Yuku has been the resampling of your avatar and its impact on our max file size limit.  That's a concern for about .0001% of our users.  If we move to vbulletin, the file size limit will remain and you'll probably have to find off-site hosting for it.  We're not looking to incur the associated bandwidth costs of image hosting.

As for what we'd need to boost revenues: basically the ads have to change.  We have a couple of premium ad network options available to us, and that's the path we're pursuing.  User support just isn't sufficient to reliably provide for a new host.  It just isn't there when we've tried to do merchandising etc.  It's more cost effective for our volunteers to just put the same amount of time and energy into a 9 to 5.  Don't even say "do the caps," because you don't want to go there.  Expressed demand for t-shirts prior to the initial launch of the Alpha shirt dwarfed that of the caps.  It's free to say you want something. 

That stuff doesn't scale.  It's just for the pure die hard fan - 1% of our overall audience.  We need to be more efficient in how EVERY visitor is able to help us contribute to the site's upkeep and our community donations - not just the select few that comprise our core. 

remember when everyone was excited when we moved to yuku

. everyone was excited because you can host pics on yuku and our home pages looked cool.
Those features still represent improvements over ezboard.   All of this newfound ezboard love is pure nostalgia.  Did you love the Voltron cartoon series as a kid?  If so, NEVER watch an episode again.  EVER.  The reality won't measure up to your purified memories of it. 

You may remember having fun on the ezboard version of the site, but what you're forgetting is that people HATED ezboard.  It was archaic.  You wouldn't even believe how remedial their administrative control panels were, how stripped down the feature set was, etc.  People were thrilled by the prospect of a platform upgrade, and in the early days the Yuku team was more cooperative and better able to execute our feature requests. 

Yuku now is reaching the same stage ezboard was before we upgraded.  It's cyclical. 

Just out of curiosity, as I always wondered this about ezboard/Yuku, does Yuku allow forum admins to export their user data? Or would that option require all members to start from scratch/re-register?

Yuku's proprietary, which, I have no problem admitting, just plain sucks.  You can't export your own data to another platform.  In part, that's due to privacy agreements.  Since it's all centralized, individual community operators can't access user email addresses, passwords, etc.  So, there's no way we could possibly convert that data.  Public content, like posts, can potentially be converted via script.  It's a rough, inefficient process, but it's better than nothing. 

What we'd probably wind up doing, because we know some of you are really invested in your current accounts and we'd like to minimize the issues associated with impostors etc., is offer a pre-registration service in the months/weeks leading up to any potential move (assuming we commit 100% to another platform.)  Obviously we don't have the person power to convert 50,000 people by hand, coordinating with each one, so we'll need to keep the numbers down.  The best way to do that is to charge a small fee for the service, since it is quite labor intensive and involves manually reentering your post count, join date, and a new password which could then be sent to you via Yuku PM or the email of your choice.  It wouldn't be a huge fund-raiser, but it could either help to offset the moving costs a bit or chip in to a worthy charity.  This is all speculative, of course, but it's something we would almost certainly have to deal with if/when we shift platforms.

I've strongly advocated cross-platform data portability for years now, but you can understand why it's not a big priority for Yuku's developers.  They don't get a lot of vbulletins etc. looking to shift over to Yuku and it's not really in their best interest to help us move off-site.  The problem is, that actually gives us additional incentive to get a move out of the way so we can claim full ownership of our community's data and it can never again be effectively held hostage. 

The good news is that, either way, we expect and demand superior performance from our forum platform - and we're attacking the problem from multiple fronts.  Our goal is to not only boost performance but boost donations dramatically this year.  If we can do both on Yuku, fine.  If not, we'll make it work somewhere else.  Either way, we will not accept or tolerate a continuation of the status quo.  We're building our options, but it's an extensive process and not something you can phone in overnight.  It's a marathon, not a sprint.