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I can understand if you don't like his music. But how can you deny the body of work he has put out over the course of his career. Jay is GOAT in my book.
JAY-Z THE MOST OVERRATED RAPPER EVER
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Originally Posted by dland24
Originally Posted by DeeNyce
Originally Posted by dland24
I love it when people make outlandish claims, get flamed, and never return to the thread.at the OP.
outlandish? I don't think so b.
Jay-Z is signed/backed by the most powerful & prosperous record label in the world, Def Jam. With that being said, Def Jam has used millions and millions of dollars on his marketing campaigns. I'm talking STACKS.
Jay Z's American Gangster Causes Massive Layoffs at Def Jam
yet, theres artists like Nas, Rakim, Pun, Big L etc. have all been mentioned in the SAME BREATH as Jay-z, whose marketing money is SUBSTANTIAL in comparison to Jay-Z. So my point is, if it were an even playing field in terms of marketing money, best believe NAS would be #1, bar for bar. 99.9% of Jay-Z fans are sheep.
Flaws with your logic:
1) your point is proven by a random blog by some chick named sandra rose?
2) You claim Jay is backed by the most powerful label around. As someone already said, he was putting out classics before DJ.
3) He didnt really start getting major promotion for his albums until he became the president. Completely ignoring both of the president era albums, Jay's catalog is still one of the best ever.
4) You are a damn fool if you think that with ZERO promotion, people like Nas, Rakim, Big Pun and Big L would be above Jay.
1) your point is proven by a random blog by some chick named sandra rose?
NO, my point is his counterparts are mentioned in the same breath as him...WITHOUT nearly as half the marketing money he spent. So what's yourpoint?
2) You claim Jay is backed by the most powerful label around. As someone already said, he was putting out classics before DJ.
I don't care what someone said about who got classics, I'm saying he's backed by the most powerful company around in terms ofmarketing.
3) He didnt really start getting major promotion for his albums until he became the president.
Stop talking out your !++, he's been on def jam since Reasonable Doubt and has been the cornerstone artist ever since.
4) You are a damn fool if you think that with ZERO promotion, people like Nas, Rakim, Big Pun and Big L would be above Jay.
"yet, theres artists like Nas, Rakim, Pun, Big L etc. have all been mentioned in the SAME BREATH as Jay-z, whose marketing money is SUBSTANTIALin comparison to Jay-Z" learn to read...
Illmatic, close to no promotion at all, matter fact...didn't even go platinum until 2001 (released in 94) ...result: crowned best lyricist, and thealbum probably goes down as best rap album ever. That's without all the Def Jam hype behind him.
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Stop repeating yourself.Originally Posted by DeeNyce
Originally Posted by dland24
Originally Posted by DeeNyce
Originally Posted by dland24
I love it when people make outlandish claims, get flamed, and never return to the thread.at the OP.
outlandish? I don't think so b.
Jay-Z is signed/backed by the most powerful & prosperous record label in the world, Def Jam. With that being said, Def Jam has used millions and millions of dollars on his marketing campaigns. I'm talking STACKS.
Jay Z's American Gangster Causes Massive Layoffs at Def Jam
yet, theres artists like Nas, Rakim, Pun, Big L etc. have all been mentioned in the SAME BREATH as Jay-z, whose marketing money is SUBSTANTIAL in comparison to Jay-Z. So my point is, if it were an even playing field in terms of marketing money, best believe NAS would be #1, bar for bar. 99.9% of Jay-Z fans are sheep.
Flaws with your logic:
1) your point is proven by a random blog by some chick named sandra rose?
2) You claim Jay is backed by the most powerful label around. As someone already said, he was putting out classics before DJ.
3) He didnt really start getting major promotion for his albums until he became the president. Completely ignoring both of the president era albums, Jay's catalog is still one of the best ever.
4) You are a damn fool if you think that with ZERO promotion, people like Nas, Rakim, Big Pun and Big L would be above Jay.
1) your point is proven by a random blog by some chick named sandra rose?
NO, my point is his counterparts are mentioned in the same breath as him...WITHOUT nearly as half the marketing money he spent. So what's your point?
2) You claim Jay is backed by the most powerful label around. As someone already said, he was putting out classics before DJ.
I don't care what someone said about who got classics, I'm saying he's backed by the most powerful company around in terms of marketing.
3) He didnt really start getting major promotion for his albums until he became the president.
Stop talking out your !++, he's been on def jam since Reasonable Doubt and has been the cornerstone artist ever since.
4) You are a damn fool if you think that with ZERO promotion, people like Nas, Rakim, Big Pun and Big L would be above Jay.
"yet, theres artists like Nas, Rakim, Pun, Big L etc. have all been mentioned in the SAME BREATH as Jay-z, whose marketing money is SUBSTANTIAL in comparison to Jay-Z" learn to read... Illmatic, close to no promotion at all, matter fact...didn't even go platinum until 2001 (released in 94) ...result: crowned best lyricist, and the album probably goes down as best rap album ever. That's without all the Def Jam hype behind him.
Besides, regardless of all of the other flaws in what you're saying, how the hell does promotion make someone a better rapper? Are you trying to deny howgood of a rapper Jay-Z is by saying he gets more promotion than Nas? All of his promotion didn't make him one of the greatest lyricists of all time. SouljaBoy gets more promotion than Nas too, he's not dropping classics.
I get what you're trying to say, but it's not a very valid point. The promotion did not lead him to be overrated, the reason he's seen as one ofthe greatest, if not the greatest, rap artists of all time, is because of all of the incredible music he's put out.
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!%*% that camel
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Originally Posted by LuigiTheKing
Stop repeating yourself.Originally Posted by DeeNyce
Originally Posted by dland24
Originally Posted by DeeNyce
Originally Posted by dland24
I love it when people make outlandish claims, get flamed, and never return to the thread.at the OP.
outlandish? I don't think so b.
Jay-Z is signed/backed by the most powerful & prosperous record label in the world, Def Jam. With that being said, Def Jam has used millions and millions of dollars on his marketing campaigns. I'm talking STACKS.
Jay Z's American Gangster Causes Massive Layoffs at Def Jam
yet, theres artists like Nas, Rakim, Pun, Big L etc. have all been mentioned in the SAME BREATH as Jay-z, whose marketing money is SUBSTANTIAL in comparison to Jay-Z. So my point is, if it were an even playing field in terms of marketing money, best believe NAS would be #1, bar for bar. 99.9% of Jay-Z fans are sheep.
Flaws with your logic:
1) your point is proven by a random blog by some chick named sandra rose?
2) You claim Jay is backed by the most powerful label around. As someone already said, he was putting out classics before DJ.
3) He didnt really start getting major promotion for his albums until he became the president. Completely ignoring both of the president era albums, Jay's catalog is still one of the best ever.
4) You are a damn fool if you think that with ZERO promotion, people like Nas, Rakim, Big Pun and Big L would be above Jay.
1) your point is proven by a random blog by some chick named sandra rose?
NO, my point is his counterparts are mentioned in the same breath as him...WITHOUT nearly as half the marketing money he spent. So what's your point?
2) You claim Jay is backed by the most powerful label around. As someone already said, he was putting out classics before DJ.
I don't care what someone said about who got classics, I'm saying he's backed by the most powerful company around in terms of marketing.
3) He didnt really start getting major promotion for his albums until he became the president.
Stop talking out your !++, he's been on def jam since Reasonable Doubt and has been the cornerstone artist ever since.
4) You are a damn fool if you think that with ZERO promotion, people like Nas, Rakim, Big Pun and Big L would be above Jay.
"yet, theres artists like Nas, Rakim, Pun, Big L etc. have all been mentioned in the SAME BREATH as Jay-z, whose marketing money is SUBSTANTIAL in comparison to Jay-Z" learn to read... Illmatic, close to no promotion at all, matter fact...didn't even go platinum until 2001 (released in 94) ...result: crowned best lyricist, and the album probably goes down as best rap album ever. That's without all the Def Jam hype behind him.
Besides, regardless of all of the other flaws in what you're saying, how the hell does promotion make someone a better rapper? Are you trying to deny how good of a rapper Jay-Z is by saying he gets more promotion than Nas? All of his promotion didn't make him one of the greatest lyricists of all time. Soulja Boy gets more promotion than Nas too, he's not dropping classics.
I get what you're trying to say, but it's not a very valid point. The promotion did not lead him to be overrated, the reason he's seen as one of the greatest, if not the greatest, rap artists of all time, is because of all of the incredible music he's put out.
Are you trying to deny how good of a rapper Jay-Z is by saying he gets more promotion than Nas?
YES.
All of his promotion didn't make him one of the greatest lyricists of all time.
YES IT DID.
Soulja Boy gets more promotion than Nas too, he's not dropping classics.
Soulja Boy did get more aggressive promo (how else would horrible songs like his sell), and as much as I can't stand Soulja Boy, hell yea he got"classics" in his own respective category.
I get what you're trying to say, but it's not a very valid point.
ILLMATIC w/o promo > REASONABLE DOUBT w/ promo // Nas without promo > Jay without promo
The promotion did not lead him to be overrated, the reason he's seen as one of the greatest, if not the greatest, rap artists of all time, is because ofall of the incredible music he's put out.
He's put out good music, but at the end of the day, he wouldn't have even been mentioned in the top 5 if it wasn't for the marketing moneypushing out his false image.
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Jigga is not overrated, but I don't think he is the greatest. 2pac is the greatest!
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Go to your room! But seriously Hov is consistent. He aint the rap Dahli Lama but he still aint overrated, just nice.
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JAY Z OVERRATED? nah man thats biggie. LOL! YUP! i said it...
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who are you? I don't care what you say, shutup.
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Uh yea....RD, Black Album, Blueprint....and you can argue AG and Vol 1.
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Lol name one rapper that came out after 95 that didn't "bite" it's part of teh game,sorry biggie did, Pac did they all did youjust have to know hip hop. Secondly the only song you can even claim that he got "outshined"on is renegade, after that what? He truimped Lil Wayneswhole album with his verse on Mr.Carter, did the same to Bleek, almost did it to T.I but T.I held strong. It's just funny Jay-z is the only rapper that Iknow of that can be mentioned top 5 in every rap catagory, that makes him the GOAT to me, name a catagory and then it'd be a Joke if you can't nameJay-z top 5.
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OMG Here We Go!!!.. Man THis Guy Is So Hyped Is Not FUnny...he replaced His lyrics with swagg...thats it....he got so big that whateva he say people be oson..did u hear that man he said he hot like the sun....be real man jay is not even in the top five spot.... i dare to say he aint even the top 10 lets bereal... for a min man......
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Also dont even try and say all these dudes are better
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The 13 year olds are too easy to spot..
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Jay ain't got no damn 4 or 5 classics...
stop overrating him.
He is great but he is not the GOAT.
He is great but he is not the GOAT.
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Chuuch, Preach, Tabernackle!Originally Posted by bbllplaya23
Naw that title goes to BIG. But since this is NT, I'll get flamed.Y'all complain that people put Pac up there like he is some God, while half the BIG fans on here talk about him like he is some God. BIG put out TWO albums. There is no way in hell ANYONE with two albums should be considered the GOAT.
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Hov is not overrated his body of work is to consistent. Even in a average song Jay will give a you a few lines that make you
his wordplay is good. he hastracks that give you lyrics with content. he has a versatile flow. He has classic albums. he's been doing this over long period of time and still managedto please the people whether that person has considers themselves a real hip-hop fan or they just started listening to the music. and on any given day he'sstill able to drop a bomb like...........
just say when
/thread
just say when
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Beanie Sigeal
Twista
Rakim
Big L
Jaz-O
Nas
Sauce Money
Bun B(He raped Jay on Big Pimpin)
Eminem
^all these rappers have raped him or outshined him on records
and if we talking about a catagory of just lyrics only jay is NOT top 10 sorry
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Twista has outshined Jay on a track before? really now?
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On poppin tags off BP2
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Originally Posted by rwfanatic
Chuuch, Preach, Tabernackle!Originally Posted by bbllplaya23
Naw that title goes to BIG. But since this is NT, I'll get flamed.Y'all complain that people put Pac up there like he is some God, while half the BIG fans on here talk about him like he is some God. BIG put out TWO albums. There is no way in hell ANYONE with two albums should be considered the GOAT.
True.
We all know Quantity > Quality.
With that said.
Pac's Life album > B.I.G.'s first two albums.
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I hope that your not referring to black republicans with nas because both of them had an average verse so no one raped or outshined anyone because those weresubpar bars.....
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Nas came off better than jay on that song
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okay he did but rape? outshine? No because those were average verses on an average song where nas flow fit the beat better than jay's