Honestly, I don't understand why you are asking this here. You bring up a valid argument, but its not relevant to this thread. OP wasaddressing a question to "Those who live a Christian Life". Not CHRISTIANS, but those who believe that on some level they are living a correctChristian life. He wanted insight from a specific group of people and you broadened the entire subject for the sake of argument.Originally Posted by SneakerHeathen
Originally Posted by hella handsome
how do you figure? a bad person is a bad person either way at the end of the day and they will have to answer to the father for their sins whether they have faith or not. so your "bad person with faith has a better chance of blah blah..." standpoint is flawed.Originally Posted by SneakerHeathen
Originally Posted by hella handsome
so... if he's asking for help from his fellow christians, and youre muslim.... why are you in here thread-jacking?Originally Posted by SneakerHeathen
Originally Posted by wrukus
the thread was directed to christians. you chose to chime in with a view point that was not asked for. its like going to the cdp 11 12 thread and talking about fushions. just looking for an argument. call it what you want. if that's keepin it 100, then more power to you.Originally Posted by SneakerHeathen
So now I'm anti christian?Okay.
This is NT not ChristiansforChristians.org....
I'm going to keep it 100 till then...
Not looking for an argument, but OP opened a can of worms....
As a Muslim, (religious views aside) I believe anyone whom is a GOOD person. A SELFLESS person, a person whom has done good throughout his life, God fearing or not I cannot believe he is Hell bound....
I SIMPLY CAN'T...
With that said, It boggles my mind that so many Christians can basically straight up tell me that I'm hellbound because I don't believe Christ is the lamb of God.....
the OP didnt open a can of worms, you brought the worms in. The OP didnt make the thread ot start controversy. If you knew that this was a controvercial topic and trouble could be started, wouldnt it be common sense to not start trouble? thats like saying "ohman that register is open and not being watched, let me take the money!" even though you know taking the money is wrong. Even though you know trouble could be started from starting an argument... you do it anyway.
Christianity teaches you that you cannot get to the father without believing in his son. so doesnt that make it obvious that you cannot make it to heaven if you dont believe in Jesus? i mean... come on... obviously thats what it means. you can be the nicest person on earth, but if you dont believe in the son of God, you still wont make it without faith.
and to the OP, it sounds like you need to re-commit your faith. make more of an effort to walk the right path everyday. i know how you are feeling too because i find myself in that same place. it isnt easy, but when you have God on your side, nothing is too hard fam. just keep pressing on and when things get too hard or when you feel like you are taking 2 steps back instead of 2 steps forward just call on God. he will help you through anything man.
stay up.
If I didn't make my comments someone else eventually would have, welcome to NT...
Obviously I know what the bible is implying, I just wanted to know how some NTers feel about it. I think its funny you can condemn someone to an eternity of hellfire even if they we're good people all their life....
So by that logic, a bad person with alot of faith has a better chance of getting to heaven than Ghandi....
Hmmm, if thats not cause for debate I don't know what is.
I know what it is, you don't want me to speak on it because you know damn well something is wrong with your logic....I don't believe a righteous God would damn a good person....Muslim or not, Christian or not, Jewish or not....
its easy to tell who actually has knowledge of a religion, and who just knows what they hear about a religion. because if you read the bible and understand what its saying, your responses wouldnt be "well i think a God that does this wouldnt do..." or "i dont believe a God would do..." because you would already know what he would do.
I can tell you for a FACT that MY God promised me eternal life for believing in his son Jesus Christ. i dont THINK it, i KNOW it.
he doesnt promise eternal life for just being a good person. half the work wont get you the full reward.
you need to study up more on a religion before you go pointing fingers trying to make a point.
i dont know anything about being a muslim. i only know how to follow Christ. so i wouldnt go and point out things in your religion to make it sound like you are dumb for following it. everytime Christianity is brought up on NT, someone walks in talking as if they know EVERYTHING about it, when most of the time, they dont know a damn thing. and they all sound the same. stating personal opinions as if they were fact, they themselves probably never opened a bible. its ignorant, and in reality, they speak about christian always sounding so high and mighty when its really them. ignorance
ignorance is poison.
And btw, if bad people are still bad people then why do so many bad people whom happen to be Christian go around acting like their @(#* don't stink and all will be forgiven? You're acting like Christians don't act like that, and there are PLENTY whom do....Thats what I've been saying, you want to twist and stretch my words go ahead, don't expect me to take you seriously though.
Originally Posted by AgentArenas
Honestly, I don't understand why you are asking this here. You bring up a valid argument, but its not relevant to this thread. OP was addressing a question to "Those who live a Christian Life". Not CHRISTIANS, but those who believe that on some level they are living a correct Christian life. He wanted insight from a specific group of people and you broadened the entire subject for the sake of argument.Originally Posted by SneakerHeathen
Originally Posted by hella handsome
how do you figure? a bad person is a bad person either way at the end of the day and they will have to answer to the father for their sins whether they have faith or not. so your "bad person with faith has a better chance of blah blah..." standpoint is flawed.Originally Posted by SneakerHeathen
Originally Posted by hella handsome
so... if he's asking for help from his fellow christians, and youre muslim.... why are you in here thread-jacking?Originally Posted by SneakerHeathen
Originally Posted by wrukus
the thread was directed to christians. you chose to chime in with a view point that was not asked for. its like going to the cdp 11 12 thread and talking about fushions. just looking for an argument. call it what you want. if that's keepin it 100, then more power to you.Originally Posted by SneakerHeathen
So now I'm anti christian?Okay.
This is NT not ChristiansforChristians.org....
I'm going to keep it 100 till then...
Not looking for an argument, but OP opened a can of worms....
As a Muslim, (religious views aside) I believe anyone whom is a GOOD person. A SELFLESS person, a person whom has done good throughout his life, God fearing or not I cannot believe he is Hell bound....
I SIMPLY CAN'T...
With that said, It boggles my mind that so many Christians can basically straight up tell me that I'm hellbound because I don't believe Christ is the lamb of God.....
the OP didnt open a can of worms, you brought the worms in. The OP didnt make the thread ot start controversy. If you knew that this was a controvercial topic and trouble could be started, wouldnt it be common sense to not start trouble? thats like saying "ohman that register is open and not being watched, let me take the money!" even though you know taking the money is wrong. Even though you know trouble could be started from starting an argument... you do it anyway.
Christianity teaches you that you cannot get to the father without believing in his son. so doesnt that make it obvious that you cannot make it to heaven if you dont believe in Jesus? i mean... come on... obviously thats what it means. you can be the nicest person on earth, but if you dont believe in the son of God, you still wont make it without faith.
and to the OP, it sounds like you need to re-commit your faith. make more of an effort to walk the right path everyday. i know how you are feeling too because i find myself in that same place. it isnt easy, but when you have God on your side, nothing is too hard fam. just keep pressing on and when things get too hard or when you feel like you are taking 2 steps back instead of 2 steps forward just call on God. he will help you through anything man.
stay up.
If I didn't make my comments someone else eventually would have, welcome to NT...
Obviously I know what the bible is implying, I just wanted to know how some NTers feel about it. I think its funny you can condemn someone to an eternity of hellfire even if they we're good people all their life....
So by that logic, a bad person with alot of faith has a better chance of getting to heaven than Ghandi....
Hmmm, if thats not cause for debate I don't know what is.
I know what it is, you don't want me to speak on it because you know damn well something is wrong with your logic....I don't believe a righteous God would damn a good person....Muslim or not, Christian or not, Jewish or not....
its easy to tell who actually has knowledge of a religion, and who just knows what they hear about a religion. because if you read the bible and understand what its saying, your responses wouldnt be "well i think a God that does this wouldnt do..." or "i dont believe a God would do..." because you would already know what he would do.
I can tell you for a FACT that MY God promised me eternal life for believing in his son Jesus Christ. i dont THINK it, i KNOW it.
he doesnt promise eternal life for just being a good person. half the work wont get you the full reward.
you need to study up more on a religion before you go pointing fingers trying to make a point.
i dont know anything about being a muslim. i only know how to follow Christ. so i wouldnt go and point out things in your religion to make it sound like you are dumb for following it. everytime Christianity is brought up on NT, someone walks in talking as if they know EVERYTHING about it, when most of the time, they dont know a damn thing. and they all sound the same. stating personal opinions as if they were fact, they themselves probably never opened a bible. its ignorant, and in reality, they speak about christian always sounding so high and mighty when its really them. ignorance
ignorance is poison.
And btw, if bad people are still bad people then why do so many bad people whom happen to be Christian go around acting like their @(#* don't stink and all will be forgiven? You're acting like Christians don't act like that, and there are PLENTY whom do....Thats what I've been saying, you want to twist and stretch my words go ahead, don't expect me to take you seriously though.
Im not attacking you, so please dont see it as that. I just think its unnecessary to bring those comments into this SPECIFIC thread. Its equivalent to going into a thread full of vegetarians who are speaking to each other and saying "I eat meat, does that mean Im inconsiderate and I hate the environment?"
You bring up a flaw in many people who are Christians- Actually, many people who are religious period. I fail to understand why you would mention this though. If I posted in a thread about practicing Muslims and criticize all who practice Islam because of the fools in the Middle East who use the word of the Q'uran to justify their terrorism, wouldnt you be offended or puzzled? No matter what you will always see a group of people within a group that take advantage of certain things or have bad intentions.
If none of those people are present in this thread, then why even bring it up?
I was born into a Catholic family but consider myself a non-denominational Christian. My sister is a Seventh-Day Adventist and always tell me thatpeople who do not believe Jesus is the son of god will not get into heaven Christian or not. I have a hard time comprehending this. Born into a very devoutCatholic family I know what it's like growing up being taught that a certain religion or belief system is right and that the others are wrong. It'shard and almost impossible to go against what you're taught being raised. I pray to god a lot and something that's always in my prayers is for god tonot hold anything against good people who are of another religion. I don't like going around saying that what I believe is right and what other believe iswrong because we are all raised differently. I hope god knows that and I hope all good people christian or not get into heaven because like I said, Iunderstand how hard is it to go against what you're taught.
Originally Posted by Ghenges
SneakerHeathen hates Jesus
If the Giants lose today, you'll know why.
Originally Posted by SneakerHeathen
Originally Posted by Ghenges
SneakerHeathen hates Jesus
If the Giants lose today, you'll know why.
I'm going to kill you.....
Originally Posted by FifthName
@ feelmode rolling smileys @ the believes of others? Funny. Personally, im not a religious person. But you're not going to catch me belittling the ideas of others. Thats childish. You're not saying anything these religious folks havent heard before, so please dont think you're showing them the light.
that right there is what i hate about the majority of religions.Originally Posted by FeelMode
And the idea that someone who lives a good life, a life that does more for other people, a person that helps other human beings, and might live a far less sin indulged life then say a christian. The idea that, that person would some how spend eternity in the fire pits of hell because they dont believe in the teachings of the bible is disgusting to me and a rolling smiley is me putting it nicely.Originally Posted by FifthName
@ feelmode rolling smileys @ the believes of others? Funny. Personally, im not a religious person. But you're not going to catch me belittling the ideas of others. Thats childish. You're not saying anything these religious folks havent heard before, so please dont think you're showing them the light.
Originally Posted by Ghenges
SneakerHeathen hates Jesus
If the Giants lose today, you'll know why.
Originally Posted by FeelMode
Originally Posted by FifthName
@ feelmode rolling smileys @ the believes of others? Funny. Personally, im not a religious person. But you're not going to catch me belittling the ideas of others. Thats childish. You're not saying anything these religious folks havent heard before, so please dont think you're showing them the light.
Im sorry, but if someone thinks that they are going to live in eternity, then
You can call it what you want it but that is laughable. Faith is just that, "faith" and where i am all for people having faith in something, there comes a time when one needs to be realistic as well.
And the idea that someone who lives a good life, a life that does more for other people, a person that helps other human beings, and might live a far less sin indulged life then say a christian. The idea that, that person would some how spend eternity in the fire pits of hell because they dont believe in the teachings of the bible is disgusting to me and a rolling smiley is me putting it nicely.
believe. They don't know. And that's the pointOriginally Posted by FifthName
Originally Posted by FeelMode
Originally Posted by FifthName
@ feelmode rolling smileys @ the believes of others? Funny. Personally, im not a religious person. But you're not going to catch me belittling the ideas of others. Thats childish. You're not saying anything these religious folks havent heard before, so please dont think you're showing them the light.
Im sorry, but if someone thinks that they are going to live in eternity, then
You can call it what you want it but that is laughable. Faith is just that, "faith" and where i am all for people having faith in something, there comes a time when one needs to be realistic as well.
And the idea that someone who lives a good life, a life that does more for other people, a person that helps other human beings, and might live a far less sin indulged life then say a christian. The idea that, that person would some how spend eternity in the fire pits of hell because they dont believe in the teachings of the bible is disgusting to me and a rolling smiley is me putting it nicely.
Okay, but some people actually do believe that. There are very important people in this world who believe that. I'm not saying it's true, but who are you to say it isn't? Can you explain how we all got here? No you cant, so one way of thinking about it is just as valid as the next one. Obviously, a lot of stuff when it comes to the bible seems far fetched, and probably is, but maybe it's not. Truthfully, in my opinion, religion is a just a way to scare people into acting right. Unfortunately, it seems to do more bad then good. At the end of the day, you'll never see me come into a thread putting down the believes of others. If you disagree, do it with class, not multiple rolling smilies.
