Not being racist or a homophobe. That's what's up...

Originally Posted by SiMPLYDiMPLY

i'm type sexist too (against women, thanks nt) but other than that i am the most open minded people
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...sorry. Thought that was hilarious.

Am I supposed to be talkin'
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to somebody? I wannaparticipate too.
 
I'm a liberal Canadian.
Word up.

A girl gave a speech in high school and called me out for being a male chauvinistic pig. But that was eons ago.
 
Originally Posted by The Takeover

Originally Posted by DearWinter219

I don't really consider it a fear in the classic sense. Not like..."Boo! I'm gay! BE AFRAID!!"...
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.... "Ahhhhhh!"......... but I think people are afraid to befriend gay people or just accept them as a reality of the way the world is. They're scared they'll be the 09 version of the 1940s "N-word lover". It's just a peer pressure thing, which I think is stupid. So what I don't hate gay people? No, I'm not gay. I just don't have time in my day to hate people that ain't did !@!+ to me. It's stupid and childish man. So many straight people spend way more time worrying about the next man than the guy who's actually attracted to the next man. What part of the game is THAT? Get a real hobby.
Yet you throw hate at people that express their honest opinion on homosexuality, you going about it the wrong way brotha, instead of calling people ignorant first make sure you are completely following what you preach, the best way to teach is by example.. Not everyone has to like how others live it may be ignorant to you but if a person doesn't like something.. they just don't like it, you can't do too much about that.


I'm not saying like it, but these cats log on to NT and type #+@@ they KNOW they shouldn't say. I do practice what I preach. I'm preachingindifference man. I'm not a gay supporter at all. I'm a people supporter. I'm pretty sure MOST gay people would rather just be seen an accepted as"cool people" not "cool gay people".

I got you ItsGettingHot... uh... that's why you still a virgin! You're not gay or straight, you're asexual. How was that?

Edit: It also seems as if you're saying it's ok to express hate and discrimination because that's how one feels. That's utterly incorrect mydude. It's ok to feel how you feel, but if you don't feel positively, don't create an alter-ego to hide behind in order to spew your negativity.The only thing worse than a hater is a closet hater.
 
Originally Posted by DearWinter219

Originally Posted by The Takeover

Originally Posted by DearWinter219

I don't really consider it a fear in the classic sense. Not like..."Boo! I'm gay! BE AFRAID!!"...
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.... "Ahhhhhh!"......... but I think people are afraid to befriend gay people or just accept them as a reality of the way the world is. They're scared they'll be the 09 version of the 1940s "N-word lover". It's just a peer pressure thing, which I think is stupid. So what I don't hate gay people? No, I'm not gay. I just don't have time in my day to hate people that ain't did !@!+ to me. It's stupid and childish man. So many straight people spend way more time worrying about the next man than the guy who's actually attracted to the next man. What part of the game is THAT? Get a real hobby.
Yet you throw hate at people that express their honest opinion on homosexuality, you going about it the wrong way brotha, instead of calling people ignorant first make sure you are completely following what you preach, the best way to teach is by example.. Not everyone has to like how others live it may be ignorant to you but if a person doesn't like something.. they just don't like it, you can't do too much about that.


I'm not saying like it, but these cats log on to NT and type #+@@ they KNOW they shouldn't say. I do practice what I preach. I'm preaching indifference man. I'm not a gay supporter at all. I'm a people supporter. I'm pretty sure MOST gay people would rather just be seen an accepted as "cool people" not "cool gay people".

I got you ItsGettingHot... uh... that's why you still a virgin! You're not gay or straight, you're asexual. How was that?
I don't even know what's goin' on and who i'm sposed to be firin' at.

You're all ugly and smell like feet tho.
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Originally Posted by DearWinter219

I don't know if I think it's right or wrong (gay marriage). Sometimes it seems right for the sake of fairness, and sometimes I get the whole "it's against nature" debacle. Where I truly stand on the issue though is pretty reasonable. I'm not gay so it's not my issue. That's how I sleep at night on a lot of things. And if it's wrong, none of us are in a position to judge that unless it's hurting somebody directly. You can miss me with that "GOD said..." and "kids ain't suppossed to have 2 daddies" logic because most of the kids where I grew up didn't have 1 daddy to begin with, but premarital sex is legal and encouraged. If "GOD said..." anything, he'll repeat it at judgment. He doesn't need all these stenographers and spokesmen. Live and let live.
So lets say I let my opinion be heard on gay marriage, a lot of my opinion comes from what I've learn with my spiritual walk. Would you saythat I'm wrong for stating my opinion or would I be wrong if I went beyond the call of duty to insure gays didn't marry? I have been in situations hereon NT where whatever I said was wrong based on my belief that homosexuality is wrong. Keep in mind I have never went to a anti-gay anything so I'm prettymuch just stating opinion and everybody wants to get butt hurt about it.

Some of these cats preach equality and open mindedness, but from what I've seen, you're only open minded when your thinking like they do. How do youfeel about that?
 
I think im in the "whatever type". But i do be calling my people F**s when they being stupid or whatever. And i call stuff gay sometimes when i dontlike it. SMMFH.....

Thanks OP for opening my eyes. i gotta stop that %*% !
 
Some of these holier than thou types are just quick to pull the trigger. Ain't %$$% wrong with saying "I don't approve" and then stating why.And I'm certain a lot of us, myself included, were taught certain religious beliefs that may have something to do with our reasoning. Personally, idon't think being gay is "right" per say. I think it may even be wrong. But some of these dudes just go too far. They call people names, make funof dudes, etc. and they do it in the name of God and Christianity. The last time I checked, the God I read about loves ALL his children the same. AndHe'll be the one to judge us all. So he doesn't need a peanut gallery full of finger pointers who think they're doing God's work. It's justfoul IMO. so if being gay is a sin, so be it. Hell, I sin everyday and so d oyou and whoever else the shoe fits. We all "live in sin", as they sayabout gay people. So I won't put myself in any better of a light than the next man, gay OR straight. Those of us that have faith in a higher power are allpraying similar prayers of repentance. Sin is universal, regardless of what book you read and which acts get that label. Like I said, indifference is mylecture.
 
Originally Posted by DearWinter219

Some of these holier than thou types are just quick to pull the trigger. Ain't %$$% wrong with saying "I don't approve" and then stating why. And I'm certain a lot of us, myself included, were taught certain religious beliefs that may have something to do with our reasoning. Personally, i don't think being gay is "right" per say. I think it may even be wrong. But some of these dudes just go too far. They call people names, make fun of dudes, etc. and they do it in the name of God and Christianity. The last time I checked, the God I read about loves ALL his children the same. And He'll be the one to judge us all. So he doesn't need a peanut gallery full of finger pointers who think they're doing God's work. It's just foul IMO. so if being gay is a sin, so be it. Hell, I sin everyday and so d oyou and whoever else the shoe fits. We all "live in sin", as they say about gay people. So I won't put myself in any better of a light than the next man, gay OR straight. Those of us that have faith in a higher power are all praying similar prayers of repentance. Sin is universal, regardless of what book you read and which acts get that label. Like I said, indifference is my lecture.

I feel you.
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Bad word usage. But yeah right now I'm in a place of"state opinion and inform in a respectful manner and keep it moving and let God do his work". I'm still working on the keep it moving because Ilike to get my point across and beat you over the head with it but I feel I'm doing better.

Yes we have holier than thou's out there. But so does the opposing side. I have seen many people here who do what some of us do but they are fighting forthe opposite cause.
 
Originally Posted by 36hypno

Originally Posted by enyceking

Originally Posted by 36hypno

What type of cookie would you like?

he doesnt care, gay, straight, black, white. he'll just take the cookie.


He probably wouldn't take it if it were female (sexism). So why make a post about not being prejudiced in two areas when you do have them. Just seems like he wants attention.

...says the cowboys fan.
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Originally Posted by RKO2004

Originally Posted by DearWinter219

Some of these holier than thou types are just quick to pull the trigger. Ain't %$$% wrong with saying "I don't approve" and then stating why. And I'm certain a lot of us, myself included, were taught certain religious beliefs that may have something to do with our reasoning. Personally, i don't think being gay is "right" per say. I think it may even be wrong. But some of these dudes just go too far. They call people names, make fun of dudes, etc. and they do it in the name of God and Christianity. The last time I checked, the God I read about loves ALL his children the same. And He'll be the one to judge us all. So he doesn't need a peanut gallery full of finger pointers who think they're doing God's work. It's just foul IMO. so if being gay is a sin, so be it. Hell, I sin everyday and so d oyou and whoever else the shoe fits. We all "live in sin", as they say about gay people. So I won't put myself in any better of a light than the next man, gay OR straight. Those of us that have faith in a higher power are all praying similar prayers of repentance. Sin is universal, regardless of what book you read and which acts get that label. Like I said, indifference is my lecture.

I feel you.
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Bad word usage. But yeah right now I'm in a place of "state opinion and inform in a respectful manner and keep it moving and let God do his work". I'm still working on the keep it moving because I like to get my point across and beat you over the head with it but I feel I'm doing better.

Yes we have holier than thou's out there. But so does the opposing side. I have seen many people here who do what some of us do but they are fighting for the opposite cause.
The way I see it.

Belief that homosexuality is going to corrupt the moral fibers of humanity is irrational. There is no proof of such a thing. A phobia is "a strong,irrational fear of something that poses little or no actual danger." There is no danger associated with homosexuality. FACT. Where it gets tricky is whenpeople use the bible as their main reasoning for their opposition of homosexuality. Now you can say 'it's not irrational if my reasons forhomosexuality being terrible is in the bible." I guess technically you'd be right. Your fear of homosexuality is based on something you believe to betrue. The problem is that those teachings in the bible don't hold water. Religious or not, you have to look at facts. There aren't any that supportthe bible's views on homosexuality. Please, I am not making this a religious thing. Just stating the obvious. You can also blame it on social upbringingsbut that doesn't hold water either. You are your own person, make your own educated opinions.

But here is another belief of mine. If homosexuality disgusts you, like you find it repulsive, I don't think that is homophobia. That feeling isn'tbased on fear or some weird anxiety. That is your attitude. This is closer to racism than it is a phobia.

Fear is "keep me away from that!" Disgust is "keep that away from me."
 
^Allow me to simplify

Just because you base your belief on what YOU hold as irrefutable truth, doesn't mean you have the right to force that belief on someone who may notbelieve in your basis. everyone is entitled to their on "truths" just as long as it doesn't affect another person's well being. No one hasthe right to take that away.

Right?
Disgust is "keep that away from me."



I don't believe any one person can rightfully tell another person where, how, and when to exist.
 
Originally Posted by CB94

^Allow me to simplify

Just because you base your belief on what YOU hold as irrefutable truth, doesn't mean you have the right to force that belief on someone who may not believe in your basis. everyone is entitled to their on "truths" just as long as it doesn't affect another person's well being. No one has the right to take that away.

Right?
Disgust is "keep that away from me."


I don't believe any one person can rightfully tell another person where, how, and when to exist.

Pretty good, that.
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Originally Posted by Big J 33

I feel you OP.



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If people would only look to the cookie all our problems would be solved.
 
Originally Posted by lobotomybeats

Originally Posted by RKO2004

Originally Posted by DearWinter219

Some of these holier than thou types are just quick to pull the trigger. Ain't %$$% wrong with saying "I don't approve" and then stating why. And I'm certain a lot of us, myself included, were taught certain religious beliefs that may have something to do with our reasoning. Personally, i don't think being gay is "right" per say. I think it may even be wrong. But some of these dudes just go too far. They call people names, make fun of dudes, etc. and they do it in the name of God and Christianity. The last time I checked, the God I read about loves ALL his children the same. And He'll be the one to judge us all. So he doesn't need a peanut gallery full of finger pointers who think they're doing God's work. It's just foul IMO. so if being gay is a sin, so be it. Hell, I sin everyday and so d oyou and whoever else the shoe fits. We all "live in sin", as they say about gay people. So I won't put myself in any better of a light than the next man, gay OR straight. Those of us that have faith in a higher power are all praying similar prayers of repentance. Sin is universal, regardless of what book you read and which acts get that label. Like I said, indifference is my lecture.

I feel you.
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Bad word usage. But yeah right now I'm in a place of "state opinion and inform in a respectful manner and keep it moving and let God do his work". I'm still working on the keep it moving because I like to get my point across and beat you over the head with it but I feel I'm doing better.

Yes we have holier than thou's out there. But so does the opposing side. I have seen many people here who do what some of us do but they are fighting for the opposite cause.
The way I see it.

Belief that homosexuality is going to corrupt the moral fibers of humanity is irrational. There is no proof of such a thing. A phobia is "a strong, irrational fear of something that poses little or no actual danger." There is no danger associated with homosexuality. FACT. Where it gets tricky is when people use the bible as their main reasoning for their opposition of homosexuality. Now you can say 'it's not irrational if my reasons for homosexuality being terrible is in the bible." I guess technically you'd be right. Your fear of homosexuality is based on something you believe to be true. The problem is that those teachings in the bible don't hold water. Religious or not, you have to look at facts. There aren't any that support the bible's views on homosexuality. Please, I am not making this a religious thing. Just stating the obvious. You can also blame it on social upbringings but that doesn't hold water either. You are your own person, make your own educated opinions.

But here is another belief of mine. If homosexuality disgusts you, like you find it repulsive, I don't think that is homophobia. That feeling isn't based on fear or some weird anxiety. That is your attitude. This is closer to racism than it is a phobia.

Fear is "keep me away from that!" Disgust is "keep that away from me."

So me thinking it is a act of sexual immorality/disgusting is close to racism?
 
Originally Posted by DearWinter219

I could probably stand to work on my sexism a little bit, just to be honest, but it feels pretty good to be more open minded than some of the people I know. So I guess this isn't a "Bigotry DEPRECIATION post". I don't really care to hear complaints or nothing like that. It'll just cause bickering anyway. I'm just starting this thread for all the people out there posting who don't know how many gay friends they have and don't really care cuz it ain't their business. This thread is for people who don't remember whether the guy at Wendy's was Mexican or Indian. It's just not really that important... cuz we're all people -- AND MOST OF US AREN'T GOOD PEOPLE ANYWAYS, REGARDLESS OF RACE. This thread is for straight people who don't even have an opinion on gay marriage and all the people (like me) who figure Kanye might be gay but that it's irrelevent because his latest albums are crap and his earlier ones are GREAT and neither had **+! to do with whether or not he was or wasn't boning John Legend. Ya feel me? Where my "It's whatever" types at?? I can't be the only one...


AND MOST OF US AREN'T GOOD PEOPLE ANYWAYS, REGARDLESS OF RACE qft
 
Originally Posted by RKO2004

Originally Posted by lobotomybeats

Originally Posted by RKO2004

Originally Posted by DearWinter219

Some of these holier than thou types are just quick to pull the trigger. Ain't %$$% wrong with saying "I don't approve" and then stating why. And I'm certain a lot of us, myself included, were taught certain religious beliefs that may have something to do with our reasoning. Personally, i don't think being gay is "right" per say. I think it may even be wrong. But some of these dudes just go too far. They call people names, make fun of dudes, etc. and they do it in the name of God and Christianity. The last time I checked, the God I read about loves ALL his children the same. And He'll be the one to judge us all. So he doesn't need a peanut gallery full of finger pointers who think they're doing God's work. It's just foul IMO. so if being gay is a sin, so be it. Hell, I sin everyday and so d oyou and whoever else the shoe fits. We all "live in sin", as they say about gay people. So I won't put myself in any better of a light than the next man, gay OR straight. Those of us that have faith in a higher power are all praying similar prayers of repentance. Sin is universal, regardless of what book you read and which acts get that label. Like I said, indifference is my lecture.

I feel you.
nerd.gif
Bad word usage. But yeah right now I'm in a place of "state opinion and inform in a respectful manner and keep it moving and let God do his work". I'm still working on the keep it moving because I like to get my point across and beat you over the head with it but I feel I'm doing better.

Yes we have holier than thou's out there. But so does the opposing side. I have seen many people here who do what some of us do but they are fighting for the opposite cause.
The way I see it.

Belief that homosexuality is going to corrupt the moral fibers of humanity is irrational. There is no proof of such a thing. A phobia is "a strong, irrational fear of something that poses little or no actual danger." There is no danger associated with homosexuality. FACT. Where it gets tricky is when people use the bible as their main reasoning for their opposition of homosexuality. Now you can say 'it's not irrational if my reasons for homosexuality being terrible is in the bible." I guess technically you'd be right. Your fear of homosexuality is based on something you believe to be true. The problem is that those teachings in the bible don't hold water. Religious or not, you have to look at facts. There aren't any that support the bible's views on homosexuality. Please, I am not making this a religious thing. Just stating the obvious. You can also blame it on social upbringings but that doesn't hold water either. You are your own person, make your own educated opinions.

But here is another belief of mine. If homosexuality disgusts you, like you find it repulsive, I don't think that is homophobia. That feeling isn't based on fear or some weird anxiety. That is your attitude. This is closer to racism than it is a phobia.

Fear is "keep me away from that!" Disgust is "keep that away from me."

So me thinking it is a act of sexual immorality/disgusting is close to racism?
I kinda see what he's saying. Yeah, it's sorta in the same lane. It's looking down on somebody and their ways w/o regard to relativityand cultural differences. I wouldn't go as far as to say it's JUST like racism though.
 
Originally Posted by 49ers650

Damn it RKO! You took the bait.
(Merrill): "Feltwrong not to swing. "

I kinda see what he's saying. Yeah, it's sorta in the same lane. It's looking down on somebody and their ways w/o regard to relativity and cultural differences. I wouldn't go as far as to say it's JUST like racism though.

I don't look down on them. I just think "what the hell man?
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". As for marriage, its whatever. They will stand before God like I will. I'll hope and pray for the best.
 
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