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Originally Posted by swingshot

Put simply JB have just become TOO greedy, TOO willing to attempt to squeeze every last penny out of markets where they know their products are in demand.
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i think that the OG heads love the qallity so much but they are goin to have to get use to it cus i dont see JB changing any thing in there product because ofthe OG heads... but i understand where you guys are comin from because of the 01 11s and the cpds
 
Originally Posted by NuMba1KiCkrocka

Originally Posted by rookie 23

Originally Posted by NuMba1KiCkrocka

rookie 23 wrote:
LOOK man some things look better OG.the only Js that r good r the OG thats y people love the OG shhit u like the new crap because u dont have heat dont have the money for 300-400 Js but u do have 40 bucks for some vans
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....never mind your SN says it all
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i bet u started to buy vans and sb to like ur homeboy.here we talk about MJ the basketball player not the one who die in ur hands so go dance to his music
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lemme guess a dude who used to wear skinnies, vans, and SB's took your girl. im sorry man.



ha....come on man what does my girl have to do about ur sorry %%@ life if u r going to talk about my life,girl,homeboys ect save that #!* for ur lifepartner
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i was talking about Js but u had to get people into this so go and buy some pink vans to go with ur dress so i can put u back on the street so i can go and buyme some more Js so bow down to ur
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Originally Posted by GreyScaleMethod

True Jordanheads know that it's not "living in the past", it's getting what once was that we couldn't get. There's alot of J's out their that I and plenty of others couldn't get for various reasons, and we would like to see these shoes released again. Not with fruity hypebeast colorways, terrible quality, fusions, hybrids, or a change in material (a cheap change btw) just so JB can save a little money. Don't get me wrong, buy what you like, but real advocates of the brand are too intelligent regarding these sneaks to fall for some lame attempt at JB "trying" to throw a "new" spin on things. We here on NT don't necessarliy hate on the releases that JB puts out, but instead we have a pretty good indication of what the shoe should look like once a shoe is slated to drop (and then we are consistently disappointed due to previously stated reasons). Now, if JB actually improved upon the previous model (which rarely happens), there is never any hate, but JB has a redundant habit of taking previous models, retroing them, and taking a step back (whether it's by colorway, material, type of release, etc.). I guess you can say that OG heads are spoiled, I don't...were just truer than the rest!
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Well put.

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I agree, the quality has declined in quite a few models, but not in all models. I get tired of guys complaining when they never even wore the OGs. Some ofthose were poor quality, too.
 
I would prob be an OG head if i grew up with that quality and that had to deal with this crap...i got the cdp 11s and they are garbage compared to the01's. so yea i know what dude is saying but at the same time, i dont know how you wouldnt complain about the material change. If i had the dough i wouldbuy OGs. ha
 
Originally Posted by sickickz23

Originally Posted by swingshot

The problem isn't change. The problem is the direction of change.

About as soon as JB started to separate from Nike, they were looking for ways to grub extra revenue on a line which was already relatively expensive compared to
usual Nike hoops, which in themselves have rarely been good value for money.

There's a well established trend there of penny pinching and cutting corners, not just on retros, but on new models as well, an assumption that people will pay over the odds
for substandard products just because they are Jordans. To a significant extent they're right, but there have been misfires along the way, the most notable being the
Jordan 2009.


You may argue that a turn around of some sorts is on the cards, using the quality of the 2009 True Blue IIIs as an example,
but bear in mind these are made for international markets where Jordans don't do so well.
When the US release of these comes around, and it probably will eventually, be mindful of the fact that it may be another production run... with lower quality.

Put simply JB have just become TOO greedy, TOO willing to attempt to squeeze every last penny out of markets where they know their products are in demand.
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one of the greatest posts I've seen
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Originally Posted by rookie 23

Originally Posted by NuMba1KiCkrocka

Originally Posted by rookie 23

Originally Posted by NuMba1KiCkrocka

rookie 23 wrote:
LOOK man some things look better OG.the only Js that r good r the OG thats y people love the OG shhit u like the new crap because u dont have heat dont have the money for 300-400 Js but u do have 40 bucks for some vans
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....never mind your SN says it all
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i bet u started to buy vans and sb to like ur homeboy.here we talk about MJ the basketball player not the one who die in ur hands so go dance to his music
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lemme guess a dude who used to wear skinnies, vans, and SB's took your girl. im sorry man.
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ha....come on man what does my girl have to do about ur sorry %%@ life if u r going to talk about my life,girl,homeboys ect save that #!* for ur life partner
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i was talking about Js but u had to get people into this so go and buy some pink vans to go with ur dress so i can put u back on the street so i can go and buy me some more Js so bow down to ur
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No I started it becuase you claim to be some ballin @%% %#$*! puttin down a dude who doesent understand ppl obsessed with OG's and u startsaying its because he doesent have bread.
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thats mad dumb
 
Originally Posted by IJUMPMAN

I agree, the quality has declined in quite a few models, but not in all models. I get tired of guys complaining when they never even wore the OGs. Some of those were poor quality, too.
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Originally Posted by NuMba1KiCkrocka

Originally Posted by rookie 23

Originally Posted by NuMba1KiCkrocka

Originally Posted by rookie 23

Originally Posted by NuMba1KiCkrocka

rookie 23 wrote:
LOOK man some things look better OG.the only Js that r good r the OG thats y people love the OG shhit u like the new crap because u dont have heat dont have the money for 300-400 Js but u do have 40 bucks for some vans
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....never mind your SN says it all
smh.gif
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i bet u started to buy vans and sb to like ur homeboy.here we talk about MJ the basketball player not the one who die in ur hands so go dance to his music
grin.gif
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lemme guess a dude who used to wear skinnies, vans, and SB's took your girl. im sorry man.
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ha....come on man what does my girl have to do about ur sorry %%@ life if u r going to talk about my life,girl,homeboys ect save that #!* for ur life partner
laugh.gif

i was talking about Js but u had to get people into this so go and buy some pink vans to go with ur dress so i can put u back on the street so i can go and buy me some more Js so bow down to ur
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No I started it becuase you claim to be some ballin @%% %#$*! puttin down a dude who doesent understand ppl obsessed with OG's and u start saying its because he doesent have bread.
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thats mad dumb



u just shoot ur self u asss.......u sed " puttin down a dude "yes the guy not YOU.ur so quick to say the dumbest smack.and that word"ballin" no come on that word is dead u should of used "WANKSTA"
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Originally Posted by MF178

that people on NT are afraid of change?
alot of the users are "OG Heads" or whatever the case may be,
and are always going into EVERY thread to hate on whatever shoe is coming out
all they ask for is OG this, OG that.
times change, stop living in the past, either get with what's hot now
or just dont say anything at all..

think about it: does a 89 Benz look anything like a 09 Benz?..no, as times change, so does the product

STOP LIVING IN THE PAST!.
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Mercedes tries their hardest to produce better cars year after year. In Jordans case they produce cheaper shoes to save $ year after year. Yourmedaphor is'nt equivalent.

No mean to patronize, but did you just begin collecting?

In addition, JB listens on NT. If we stop pressing the issue or quality JB would think its no longer a problem, making quality worse.
 
Yes we all know that JB Quality isnt up to par compared to the ones in the past, but MF does have a point. This is JB now, Jb is not trying to cater to the OGheads these days, they are trying to lean towards the new generation with all these Fusions and Packs and Rings and $*!t. And as you notice, the young ones arebuying them, JB is making their profits, and at the end of the day, that is what it comes down too. Of course they are coming out with retros to shine light onthe OG's, but they ARE Retros, not the OG's. And at the rate that these kids are buying every new Jordan that comes out, why should they make betterquality sneakers? They will sell anyways, simply because they have the jumpman on them. You guys are going to eventually have to get over it, I stopped a longtime ago....
 
Originally Posted by swingshot

The problem isn't change. The problem is the direction of change.

About as soon as JB started to separate from Nike, they were looking for ways to grub extra revenue on a line which was already relatively expensive compared to
usual Nike hoops, which in themselves have rarely been good value for money.

There's a well established trend there of penny pinching and cutting corners, not just on retros, but on new models as well, an assumption that people will pay over the odds
for substandard products just because they are Jordans. To a significant extent they're right, but there have been misfires along the way, the most notable being the
Jordan 2009.


You may argue that a turn around of some sorts is on the cards, using the quality of the 2009 True Blue IIIs as an example,
but bear in mind these are made for international markets where Jordans don't do so well.
When the US release of these comes around, and it probably will eventually, be mindful of the fact that it may be another production run... with lower quality.

Put simply JB have just become TOO greedy, TOO willing to attempt to squeeze every last penny out of markets where they know their products are in demand.
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Originally Posted by GreyScaleMethod

True Jordanheads know that it's not "living in the past", it's getting what once was that we couldn't get. There's alot of J's out their that I and plenty of others couldn't get for various reasons, and we would like to see these shoes released again. Not with fruity hypebeast colorways, terrible quality, fusions, hybrids, or a change in material (a cheap change btw) just so JB can save a little money. Don't get me wrong, buy what you like, but real advocates of the brand are too intelligent regarding these sneaks to fall for some lame attempt at JB "trying" to throw a "new" spin on things. We here on NT don't necessarliy hate on the releases that JB puts out, but instead we have a pretty good indication of what the shoe should look like once a shoe is slated to drop (and then we are consistently disappointed due to previously stated reasons). Now, if JB actually improved upon the previous model (which rarely happens), there is never any hate, but JB has a redundant habit of taking previous models, retroing them, and taking a step back (whether it's by colorway, material, type of release, etc.). I guess you can say that OG heads are spoiled, I don't...were just truer than the rest!
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these 2 guys pretty much said it all.
 
Originally Posted by Spradley

hey i dont think the quality is all dat good. but i buy wat i like. they r cheatin us with less quality n a higher price tag
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Every Jordan model has been ruined by numerous colorways and materials. I mean if you are going to come out with 500 colorways at least make them good, forexample. The 2001 XI Retro Mid had 5 solid colorways. As did the Retro XII.

All the colorways and materials and quality were SOLID. Soft buttery leather before compared to cardboard leather now. This isnt just with Jordans but it goesfor Air Force Ones and Air Maxes as well.

Do we really need 20+ Colorways of the Jordan 1. 19 of which hit the sales rack. They ruined this shoe beyond belief.

It doesnt matter what we think though because as long as all of you are buying the crap. They will continue making the crap.

Ill stick with what I like and my older Jordans.
 
Originally Posted by MF178

that people on NT are afraid of change?
alot of the users are "OG Heads" or whatever the case may be,
and are always going into EVERY thread to hate on whatever shoe is coming out
all they ask for is OG this, OG that.
times change, stop living in the past, either get with what's hot now
or just dont say anything at all..

think about it: does a 89 Benz look anything like a 09 Benz?..no, as times change, so does the product

STOP LIVING IN THE PAST!.
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lol what the hell is hot right now? fusions? cp3's?hahaha give me a break... xx3 was a nice direction but they had to follow it up with 2k9's... so inshort tell me what the hell is hot right now??? hahaha go ahead and spend your money on the "whats hot now", JB enjoys kids like you.
 
Living in the past? If you have watched MJ play before, then, 100% you can never say stop living in the past... It's his legacy that makes JB alive.. thatOG spirit.
 
Originally Posted by swingshot

The problem isn't change. The problem is the direction of change.

About as soon as JB started to separate from Nike, they were looking for ways to grub extra revenue on a line which was already relatively expensive compared to
usual Nike hoops, which in themselves have rarely been good value for money.

There's a well established trend there of penny pinching and cutting corners, not just on retros, but on new models as well, an assumption that people will pay over the odds
for substandard products just because they are Jordans. To a significant extent they're right, but there have been misfires along the way, the most notable being the
Jordan 2009.


You may argue that a turn around of some sorts is on the cards, using the quality of the 2009 True Blue IIIs as an example,
but bear in mind these are made for international markets where Jordans don't do so well.
When the US release of these comes around, and it probably will eventually, be mindful of the fact that it may be another production run... with lower quality.

Put simply JB have just become TOO greedy, TOO willing to attempt to squeeze every last penny out of markets where they know their products are in demand.
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real talk.
 
to the op, your arguement is so flawed. if you knew anything about mercedes and mb in general, their cars have suffered due to cheapness and lack of qualityjust dating back to a couple of years ago. a lot of this had to due with the fact they acquired a auto maker (chrysler) that ended up losing millions ofdollars and never made mb anything. even when they managed to sell chrysler off they were negative compared to when they first bought them. because they werelosing money the product ended up suffering and a lot of hard-core enthusiasts noticed the lack of attention and material when compared to what they had orhave. so they ended up either keeping what they had already and didn't buy the inferior product that was made available to them for sale. only now ismercedes making cars that people want due to the fact that they listened to the consumers who ended up speaking with their minds and wallets by not buyingthese vehicles. the og collectors in this forum like myself are like the og mercedes owners. they know what quality is like due to the fact that they ownsomething to compare it to and notice when something is off compared to what they are acustomed to. now if jordan brand and nike in general could take a pageout of mercedes' book and listen to us. maybe then the new releases would actually be very close or exact to the original shoes. but as long as people buyfusions, every jordan 1 that comes out every 2 weeks, and whatever garbage they keep releasing, we'll never get anything close to the original's again.
 
Originally Posted by tdog91184

The problem is an 09 Benz will almost always be better than an 89 Benz.

You might understand if you had an original sneaker and compared it to a retro.

It's not just with JB, look into Nike Retro as well. You might hear some grouchiness about Air units.
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Originally Posted by MF178

that people on NT are afraid of change?
alot of the users are "OG Heads" or whatever the case may be,
and are always going into EVERY thread to hate on whatever shoe is coming out
all they ask for is OG this, OG that.
times change, stop living in the past, either get with what's hot now
or just dont say anything at all..

think about it: does a 89 Benz look anything like a 09 Benz?..no, as times change, so does the product

STOP LIVING IN THE PAST!.
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THAT'S HOT???

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ooooh so beautiful ain't it???

Own a few older retros or OG jordans OP, you will understand!
 
I'm only 23 but a Og when it comes to J's I myself brought my 1st pair on my own when I was 10, mowing grass all week just to buy them. I lovedOg's back in the day like I have liked Og 15's,16's,20's,22's,and 23's. I also like some retro's Jb releases now. But thatdon't mean I can't get over Og quality. I just prefer it. It's like I have the White/Cement 3's from 03 and I can put them on now and they willfeel better than the 3's from 07 now I payed less in 03 but they feel a hell of a lot better than the newer pairs now why should I be happy that I just gota shoe and afterwards I don't feel im getting my moneys worth, or feel like a fool after I buy?.
 
your argument is super weak, that stuff about the Bens makes no sense. you cant compare sneakers to cars. anyway, all change is not good. many things changefor the worse. thers a big difference between CHANGE and ADVANCING or EVOLVING, JB appears to be DIGRESSING
 
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