Is Robert Horry a Hall of Famer?

I swear he is but everyone i argue with say no.
We would expect nothing more of you.

My onlyargument is, will the committee look at his shots in the playoffs andfinals and see how he basically won 2-3 NBA finals with shots at theBuzzer?
Yeah, Robert Horry won those.

Not Kobe Bryant. Not Shaquille O'Neal.

...but Robert Horry.
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I swear he is but everyone i argue with say no.
We would expect nothing more of you.

My onlyargument is, will the committee look at his shots in the playoffs andfinals and see how he basically won 2-3 NBA finals with shots at theBuzzer?
Yeah, Robert Horry won those.

Not Kobe Bryant. Not Shaquille O'Neal.

...but Robert Horry.
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Originally Posted by TraSoul82

Hill was also one of the greatest college players of ALL-TIME. He went to 3 consecutive national title games, winning the first 2 back-to-back (first time back-to-back-titles were won since Walton's UCLA team). The third time he made it back after 2 teammates left the previous season to join the NBA. Named the best defensive player in the nation in 94. 8th player in Duke history to have his jersey number retired. He has multiple ACC awards as well. Know about something, indeed... 
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Hill was also playing alongside 2 players who had better collegiate careers than he had when he won those 2 titles. How many times was Hill named the MOP of the tournament? 0. How his level of greatness in the history of Duke players factor in when comparing him to Walton? Hill's 2 teammates, who lead the team to the 2 national titles, had their numbers retired, too. Walton was the 1st to have his number retired at UCLA, if you think that means anything.

Walton dominated the NCAA statistically, while winning. I don't really know what else to say. Look at his stats, accomplishments, awards, team's records... it's laughable to try to compare Hill's days at Duke to Walton's at UCLA, and anybody who knows a lick about college basketball will tell you the same.
Originally Posted by TraSoul82

Ok. I'll admit I stepped out of bounds slightly (with the "one ring" comment). But my reply was in response to "stats" being brought up. And really, Finals Awards aside (which I'll admit are significant), Grant Hill's stats and awards are comparable to Walton's.
Hill is a co-ROY, 7-time NBA All-Star, was selected to 5 All-NBA teams (1 first, 4 second), and won an Olympic Gold Medal in 1996. The quickest way to sum up Hill's statistics in his first 6 NBA seasons: LeBron-like (21.6 ppg, 7.8 reb, 6.2 ast, 1.6 stl, 0.7 blk).
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What about that regular season MVP? And who cares about his averages in Hill's first 6 seasons? His biggest accomplishment when he was healthy in his prime was the 1st All-NBA team. You can't honestly think that's comparable to an MVP.
Originally Posted by TraSoul82


So maybe I should have said TWO rings aside. But that whole "give me a break" response really needs to be toned down, as they are A LOT closer than you thought (from the "sounds" of it). Sure, Hill doesn't have a regular season MVP, but you have to look at the players who won during Hill's prime, and then compare those individuals to Walton.
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Oh, you mean Kareem Abdul-Jabaar? Moses Malone? Julius Erving? Yeah, those guys weren't elite at all.
 
Originally Posted by TraSoul82

Hill was also one of the greatest college players of ALL-TIME. He went to 3 consecutive national title games, winning the first 2 back-to-back (first time back-to-back-titles were won since Walton's UCLA team). The third time he made it back after 2 teammates left the previous season to join the NBA. Named the best defensive player in the nation in 94. 8th player in Duke history to have his jersey number retired. He has multiple ACC awards as well. Know about something, indeed... 
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Hill was also playing alongside 2 players who had better collegiate careers than he had when he won those 2 titles. How many times was Hill named the MOP of the tournament? 0. How his level of greatness in the history of Duke players factor in when comparing him to Walton? Hill's 2 teammates, who lead the team to the 2 national titles, had their numbers retired, too. Walton was the 1st to have his number retired at UCLA, if you think that means anything.

Walton dominated the NCAA statistically, while winning. I don't really know what else to say. Look at his stats, accomplishments, awards, team's records... it's laughable to try to compare Hill's days at Duke to Walton's at UCLA, and anybody who knows a lick about college basketball will tell you the same.
Originally Posted by TraSoul82

Ok. I'll admit I stepped out of bounds slightly (with the "one ring" comment). But my reply was in response to "stats" being brought up. And really, Finals Awards aside (which I'll admit are significant), Grant Hill's stats and awards are comparable to Walton's.
Hill is a co-ROY, 7-time NBA All-Star, was selected to 5 All-NBA teams (1 first, 4 second), and won an Olympic Gold Medal in 1996. The quickest way to sum up Hill's statistics in his first 6 NBA seasons: LeBron-like (21.6 ppg, 7.8 reb, 6.2 ast, 1.6 stl, 0.7 blk).
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What about that regular season MVP? And who cares about his averages in Hill's first 6 seasons? His biggest accomplishment when he was healthy in his prime was the 1st All-NBA team. You can't honestly think that's comparable to an MVP.
Originally Posted by TraSoul82


So maybe I should have said TWO rings aside. But that whole "give me a break" response really needs to be toned down, as they are A LOT closer than you thought (from the "sounds" of it). Sure, Hill doesn't have a regular season MVP, but you have to look at the players who won during Hill's prime, and then compare those individuals to Walton.
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Oh, you mean Kareem Abdul-Jabaar? Moses Malone? Julius Erving? Yeah, those guys weren't elite at all.
 
Originally Posted by Blazers21NTNP

Originally Posted by PMatic

Originally Posted by Chester the Cheetah

Nope. Not even close.
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Originally Posted by TraSoul82

I
really don't get the Hall of Fame being called the Hall of Fame when it
should really be called the "Hall of Great Stats." Bill Walton is in
with 1 ring and an injury-plagued career where he did have some great
stats to start, but averaged 47 games per season over his 10 active
years in the league. He averaged a double-double 4 times and never
scored 20+ ppg in a season. He ended up averaging 10.3 ppg, 10.5 Reb,
3.4 ast, and 2.2 blk in the NBA on top of his notable college career .
To me, this means Grant Hill is 1 ring shy of being in the HoF. But
clearly, I digress...
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Walton has 2 rings, 1 MVP, 1 Finals MVP, 1 6th Man of the Year Award, was selected to 2 All-NBA Teams (1st & 2nd), and was selected to 2 All-Defensive First Teams. Not to mention being a 3-time College Player of the Year, being one of the greatest college players of ALL-TIME, back-to-back national titles, a 88-game win streak, two consecutive 30-0 seasons. But you probably have no idea about that, from the sounds of it.

Know about something before you speak... comparing Grant Hill to Bill Walton... give me a break.
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Bill Walton has a little over 6.000 points in the NBA. Hill is about to get 16.000. Kevin Durant has already in his fourth year scored more points than Bill Walton has in his NBA career. Bill Walton is a 2-time all-star, Hill is a 7-time all-star. Bill Walton has been named to one all-NBA 1st and one all-NBA 2nd team, Hill has been named to one all-NBA 1st and four all-NBA 2nd teams. He has two, maybe three seasons in the NBA where he put up stats that are worthy of Hall of Fame, Hill has six or seven. He won a title with a deeper team than Grant ever had in Detroit in the weakest era of basketball.. I think like eight different teams won a title in the 70s. And back to back college titles? I wonder who else has that. Maybe GRANT HILL?!!! 70% of Bill Walton's Hall of Fame election is due to his college career. If that's the case, Grant deserves to be in as well.
 
Originally Posted by Blazers21NTNP

Originally Posted by PMatic

Originally Posted by Chester the Cheetah

Nope. Not even close.
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Originally Posted by TraSoul82

I
really don't get the Hall of Fame being called the Hall of Fame when it
should really be called the "Hall of Great Stats." Bill Walton is in
with 1 ring and an injury-plagued career where he did have some great
stats to start, but averaged 47 games per season over his 10 active
years in the league. He averaged a double-double 4 times and never
scored 20+ ppg in a season. He ended up averaging 10.3 ppg, 10.5 Reb,
3.4 ast, and 2.2 blk in the NBA on top of his notable college career .
To me, this means Grant Hill is 1 ring shy of being in the HoF. But
clearly, I digress...
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Walton has 2 rings, 1 MVP, 1 Finals MVP, 1 6th Man of the Year Award, was selected to 2 All-NBA Teams (1st & 2nd), and was selected to 2 All-Defensive First Teams. Not to mention being a 3-time College Player of the Year, being one of the greatest college players of ALL-TIME, back-to-back national titles, a 88-game win streak, two consecutive 30-0 seasons. But you probably have no idea about that, from the sounds of it.

Know about something before you speak... comparing Grant Hill to Bill Walton... give me a break.
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Bill Walton has a little over 6.000 points in the NBA. Hill is about to get 16.000. Kevin Durant has already in his fourth year scored more points than Bill Walton has in his NBA career. Bill Walton is a 2-time all-star, Hill is a 7-time all-star. Bill Walton has been named to one all-NBA 1st and one all-NBA 2nd team, Hill has been named to one all-NBA 1st and four all-NBA 2nd teams. He has two, maybe three seasons in the NBA where he put up stats that are worthy of Hall of Fame, Hill has six or seven. He won a title with a deeper team than Grant ever had in Detroit in the weakest era of basketball.. I think like eight different teams won a title in the 70s. And back to back college titles? I wonder who else has that. Maybe GRANT HILL?!!! 70% of Bill Walton's Hall of Fame election is due to his college career. If that's the case, Grant deserves to be in as well.
 
Originally Posted by JPZx

I swear he is but everyone i argue with say no.
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We would expect nothing more of you.

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Originally Posted by TraSoul82



I really don't get the Hall of Fame being called the Hall of Fame when it should really be called the "Hall of Great Stats." Bill Walton is in with 1 ring and an injury-plagued career where he did have some great stats to start, but averaged 47 games per season over his 10 active years in the league. He averaged a double-double 4 times and never scored 20+ ppg in a season. He ended up averaging 10.3 ppg, 10.5 Reb, 3.4 ast, and 2.2 blk in the NBA on top of his notable college career . To me, this means Grant Hill is 1 ring shy of being in the HoF. But clearly, I digress...
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It is the Basketball Hall of Fame, not the NBA. Walton is in for his basketball achievements overall.
 
Originally Posted by TraSoul82



I really don't get the Hall of Fame being called the Hall of Fame when it should really be called the "Hall of Great Stats." Bill Walton is in with 1 ring and an injury-plagued career where he did have some great stats to start, but averaged 47 games per season over his 10 active years in the league. He averaged a double-double 4 times and never scored 20+ ppg in a season. He ended up averaging 10.3 ppg, 10.5 Reb, 3.4 ast, and 2.2 blk in the NBA on top of his notable college career . To me, this means Grant Hill is 1 ring shy of being in the HoF. But clearly, I digress...
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It is the Basketball Hall of Fame, not the NBA. Walton is in for his basketball achievements overall.
 
He has a nice amount of rings & has made key clutch shots... But there's so much more needed to get you into the HOF.
 
He has a nice amount of rings & has made key clutch shots... But there's so much more needed to get you into the HOF.
 
Originally Posted by Xtapolapacetl

Originally Posted by Blazers21NTNP

Originally Posted by PMatic

Originally Posted by Chester the Cheetah

Nope. Not even close.
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Originally Posted by TraSoul82

I
really don't get the Hall of Fame being called the Hall of Fame when it
should really be called the "Hall of Great Stats." Bill Walton is in
with 1 ring and an injury-plagued career where he did have some great
stats to start, but averaged 47 games per season over his 10 active
years in the league. He averaged a double-double 4 times and never
scored 20+ ppg in a season. He ended up averaging 10.3 ppg, 10.5 Reb,
3.4 ast, and 2.2 blk in the NBA on top of his notable college career .
To me, this means Grant Hill is 1 ring shy of being in the HoF. But
clearly, I digress...
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Walton has 2 rings, 1 MVP, 1 Finals MVP, 1 6th Man of the Year Award, was selected to 2 All-NBA Teams (1st & 2nd), and was selected to 2 All-Defensive First Teams. Not to mention being a 3-time College Player of the Year, being one of the greatest college players of ALL-TIME, back-to-back national titles, a 88-game win streak, two consecutive 30-0 seasons. But you probably have no idea about that, from the sounds of it.

Know about something before you speak... comparing Grant Hill to Bill Walton... give me a break.
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Bill Walton has a little over 6.000 points in the NBA. Hill is about to get 16.000. Kevin Durant has already in his fourth year scored more points than Bill Walton has in his NBA career. Bill Walton is a 2-time all-star, Hill is a 7-time all-star. Bill Walton has been named to one all-NBA 1st and one all-NBA 2nd team, Hill has been named to one all-NBA 1st and four all-NBA 2nd teams. He has two, maybe three seasons in the NBA where he put up stats that are worthy of Hall of Fame, Hill has six or seven. He won a title with a deeper team than Grant ever had in Detroit in the weakest era of basketball.. I think like eight different teams won a title in the 70s. And back to back college titles? I wonder who else has that. Maybe GRANT HILL?!!! 70% of Bill Walton's Hall of Fame election is due to his college career. If that's the case, Grant deserves to be in as well.
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I agree...and to answer whether or not Horry should .....No
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