STAY/GET BACK IN SHAPE VOL 3.0 -- A New Niketalk = A New Thread

[jkitty]

GJ brah.



Hit 415 Monday, then repped out 315 for 8 right after...felt light 

Nice man. I'm going to do some volume at 275-315 next week, thatll be fun lol.

 

[bwood056]

Lol these guys.

 

[byukid]

First deadlifts in a long time today, feeling pretty good.

 

[BIG LEEMELONE]

any personal trainers in here? getting ready to take an 8 week course to get certified, tryna see exactly what I'm getting myself into

 

[djyoung08]

I see personal trainers always having people do the most wild things at my gym

Dumbbell squats on while balancing themselves on of those those balance balls :x

 

[rook]

I see personal trainers always having people do the most wild things at my gym

Dumbbell squats on while balancing themselves on of those those balance balls :x

actually a good exercise. the core

edit: nvm you said balls. I thought you meant the core building half circle thingy lol

 

[blastercombo]

I see personal trainers always having people do the most wild things at my gym

Dumbbell squats on while balancing themselves on of those those balance balls :x

Saw one guy having a girl pretty much crawl on a treadmill with her legs on the ground. Hilarious

 

[mgrand15]

Do personal trainers do that just to make the "average" person interested with crazy workouts? Or do they make everything complicated so it makes them look smarter? I don't understand the point of making some out of shape fat lady do crazy stuff. Can someone explain?

 

[jkitty]

Most personal trainers at commercial gyms are idiots is the answer.

I love when they have 100 lb bean stalks or fattys doing tricep push downs, db curls, and leg curls and crap....You know, bc thats so damn effective.

 

[bilboshmangins]

 

[blastercombo]

Can't really answer that but the idea is to keep the client "achieving". Doing so keeps them coming back. Also want to keep the clients away from "normal" routines that they can do alone. This builds the need for a trainer thus the sometimes down right hilarious exercises

 

[SuperJ5]

actually a good exercise. the core

edit: nvm you said balls. I thought you meant the core building half circle thingy lol

Even on a bosu ball (half circle thingy) that's not a good exercise imo.

 

[djyoung08]

Most personal trainers at commercial gyms are idiots is the answer.

I love when they have 100 lb bean stalks or fattys doing tricep push downs, db curls, and leg curls and crap....You know, bc thats so damn effective.

I never could quite understand the logic here...

Assuming you still do compound movements, is accessory work completely useless for someone who isn't already in tip top shape?

Or if someone has limited mobilities so they split compounds into individual movements, is that still useless?

Is muscle stimulation when isolated of the tricep of no value if you're sore from benching

is muscle stimulation when isolated of the bicep of no value if you're sore form rows and DL?

Is muscle stimulation when isolated of the hamstring of no value if you're sore form squating?

Not trying to come at you, just trying to understand different viewpoints.

 

[jkitty]

I never could quite understand the logic here...

Assuming you still do compound movements, is accessory work completely useless for someone who isn't already in tip top shape?

Or if someone has limited mobilities so they split compounds into individual movements, is that still useless?

Is muscle stimulation when isolated of the tricep of no value if you're sore from benching

is muscle stimulation when isolated of the bicep of no value if you're sore form rows and DL?

Is muscle stimulation when isolated of the hamstring of no value if you're sore form squating?

Not trying to come at you, just trying to understand different viewpoints.

As far as assuming these people are doing compounds.... well lets just stop assuming there, and be real, cuz they arent.

And youre qualifying everything youre saying though.... if youre sore from benching....dont hit your triceps or chest, hit youre legs .. etc.

My point is, these trainers waste people's time by having them do all these isolation movements when theyd be better served doing compounds. or focusing on those limited mobilities you mentioned.

 

[nealraj006]

I never could quite understand the logic here...

1. Assuming you still do compound movements, is accessory work completely useless for someone who isn't already in tip top shape?

2. Or if someone has limited mobilities so they split compounds into individual movements, is that still useless?

Is muscle stimulation when isolated of the tricep of no value if you're sore from benching

is muscle stimulation when isolated of the bicep of no value if you're sore form rows and DL?

Is muscle stimulation when isolated of the hamstring of no value if you're sore form squating?

Not trying to come at you, just trying to understand different viewpoints.

1. For strength training, accessory work is best reserved for "weak link" training. For hypertrophy work, it can help, but will contribute less than the main (compound) movements. There's a reason it is called "accessory." For beginners, there really aren't many weak links, considering how weak the overall kinetic chain is. The accessory work for a beginner would be best reserved for addressing posture, mobility, and other qualities. For example, if you have 2 males, one that can bench 1xBW for 1 rep, and another that can bench 1.75xBW for 1 rep who do you think would benefit more from accessory training?

2. Again, it depends on the goal. The body learns in patterns. You could do an endless number of leg presses, but still have a mediocre squat. Yes, the muscles involved may have the strength(unlikely), but the body has to learn to use that strength in the given movement pattern. You could take the lat pulldown and pull up as an example. There are people that are quite "strong" with lat pulldowns who struggle to do pull ups. There is more that goes into a compound movement than the muscle groups that are commonly recognized for that movement. Coordination, mobility, technique etc. are all specific to a particular pattern, and will affect the "transferance" of strength between muscles and movements. If you want to get good at something, practice that skill. Movement and strength are skills.

 

[jking0821]

Can't really answer that but the idea is to keep the client "achieving". Doing so keeps them coming back. Also want to keep the clients away from "normal" routines that they can do alone. This builds the need for a trainer thus the sometimes down right hilarious exercises

THIS!!!

Got to have them do new crazy things all the time.  If you taught them a routine that was maintainable and achieved their goals you become obsolete.  I think that is why the uptake on online training now a days.  These trainers send you routines via email with meal plans for cheap and you just have to do them. (i am sure a lot of these are scams but seem to be popping up all the time).

Every fitness model is now a trainer 

 

[djyoung08]

I never could quite understand the logic here...

1. Assuming you still do compound movements, is accessory work completely useless for someone who isn't already in tip top shape?

2. Or if someone has limited mobilities so they split compounds into individual movements, is that still useless?

Is muscle stimulation when isolated of the tricep of no value if you're sore from benching

is muscle stimulation when isolated of the bicep of no value if you're sore form rows and DL?

Is muscle stimulation when isolated of the hamstring of no value if you're sore form squating?

Not trying to come at you, just trying to understand different viewpoints.

1. For strength training, accessory work is best reserved for "weak link" training. For hypertrophy work, it can help, but will contribute less than the main (compound) movements. There's a reason it is called "accessory." For beginners, there really aren't many weak links, considering how weak the overall kinetic chain is. The accessory work for a beginner would be best reserved for addressing posture, mobility, and other qualities. For example, if you have 2 males, one that can bench 1xBW for 1 rep, and another that can bench 1.75xBW for 1 rep who do you think would benefit more from accessory training?

2. Again, it depends on the goal. The body learns in patterns. You could do an endless number of leg presses, but still have a mediocre squat. Yes, the muscles involved may have the strength(unlikely), but the body has to learn to use that strength in the given movement pattern. You could take the lat pulldown and pull up as an example. There are people that are quite "strong" with lat pulldowns who struggle to do pull ups. There is more that goes into a compound movement than the muscle groups that are commonly recognized for that movement. Coordination, mobility, technique etc. are all specific to a particular pattern, and will affect the "transferance" of strength between muscles and movements. If you want to get good at something, practice that skill. Movement and strength are skills.

Thank you for this response. Especially part 2.

I never could quite understand the logic here...


Not trying to come at you, just trying to understand different viewpoints.

As far as assuming these people are doing compounds.... well lets just stop assuming there, and be real, cuz they arent.

And youre qualifying everything youre saying though.... if youre sore from benching....dont hit your triceps or chest, hit youre legs .. etc.

My point is, these trainers waste people's time by having them do all these isolation movements when theyd be better served doing compounds. or focusing on those limited mobilities you mentioned.

Well in my case I'm lifting in addition to a lot of cardio to drop my weight (bf%)

So if I'm sore in my chest from benching but not in my tris... is it not a good idea to bench more? I'm not a big fan of things like cable tricep pushdowns so i'll do something like a skull crusher w/ an EZ bar or a close grip press... is that also of minimal benifit?

Same situation on back day w/ my biceps. Is doing curls with dumbbells and or an EZ bar of minimal benifit? if im sore in my back from barbel rows and or DLs?

 

[bigboss]

Hit 315x8, 335x3, 365x1 on bench with the slingshot today, felt great. Gonna be sore tomorrow 

 

[jkitty]

Thank you for this response. Especially part 2.

Well in my case I'm lifting in addition to a lot of cardio to drop my weight (bf%)

So if I'm sore in my chest from benching but not in my tris... is it not a good idea to bench more? I'm not a big fan of things like cable tricep pushdowns so i'll do something like a skull crusher w/ an EZ bar or a close grip press... is that also of minimal benifit?

Same situation on back day w/ my biceps. Is doing curls with dumbbells and or an EZ bar of minimal benifit? if im sore in my back from barbel rows and or DLs?

Everyone has different methodologies. I think Nealraj006 was able to explain my point a little better, being that from what I know, he has some type of background in exercise science or kiniseology.

I personally think that it is of minimal benefit given the description youve provided. If youre trying to lose BF in addition to lifting, what benefit are you getting from isolating your triceps? If you cant answer that, I sure cant. Im not being a smartass either.

It sounds like youre trying to justify an arm day. If that's what you want to do, do you man.. but I dont see how that is going to help you reach your goal.

If youre bis and tris arent sore after back and chest, hit them harder for a couple sets after your compounds on those days. That is where accessory work fits in my routine.

 

[BIG LEEMELONE]

I see I have made a solid career choice

 

[djyoung08]

Thank you for this response. Especially part 2.

Well in my case I'm lifting in addition to a lot of cardio to drop my weight (bf%)

So if I'm sore in my chest from benching but not in my tris... is it not a good idea to bench more? I'm not a big fan of things like cable tricep pushdowns so i'll do something like a skull crusher w/ an EZ bar or a close grip press... is that also of minimal benifit?

Same situation on back day w/ my biceps. Is doing curls with dumbbells and or an EZ bar of minimal benifit? if im sore in my back from barbel rows and or DLs?

Everyone has different methodologies. I think Nealraj006 was able to explain my point a little better, being that from what I know, he has some type of background in exercise science or kiniseology.

I personally think that it is of minimal benefit given the description youve provided. If youre trying to lose BF in addition to lifting, what benefit are you getting from isolating your triceps? If you cant answer that, I sure cant. Im not being a smartass either.

It sounds like youre trying to justify an arm day. If that's what you want to do, do you man.. but I dont see how that is going to help you reach your goal.

If youre bis and tris arent sore after back and chest, hit them harder for a couple sets after your compounds on those days. That is where accessory work fits in my routine.

I think we were misunderstanding each other

I dont have an arm day and I hit my bis after i finish all my back work to ensure my biceps are "equally" worked that day (same for tris on a chest day)

Edit: i dont go ham on them either.. i'm talking 3-4 sets after the main movements... not 4-5 exercises for 3-4 sets each with a superset selfie and a drop set IG post.

Now let me ask you this... i also have a shoulder and trap day... which for sake of argument the majority is accessory work. How useful would you consider that?

 

[jkitty]

I think we were misunderstanding each other

I dont have an arm day and I hit my bis after i finish all my back work to ensure my biceps are "equally" worked that day (same for tris on a chest day)
Edit: i dont go ham on them either.. i'm talking 3-4 sets after the main movements... not 4-5 exercises for 3-4 sets each with a superset selfie and a drop set IG post.

Now let me ask you this... i also have a shoulder and trap day... which for sake of argument the majority is accessory work. How useful would you consider that?

We're def misunderstanding each other then. My only point was that I see trainers having little and huge guys alike doing tricep pushdowns without any benching, leg press without any squatting, curls without any rows or deadlifts, or pullups.... in these situations isolation is generally going to be far less effective for the goal their clients are trying to accomplish.

Usefullness is all based on context. Sure it can be useful, but is it the best use of your gym time in relation to your specific goal? Probably not. But thats not to say it isnt useful, because that simply isnt the case.

 

[bigboss]

If you want to look like you lift you better hit some accessories. 

 

[bigboss]

Who here is going to the Olympia? I'll pay you to pick me up some stuff from the Animal booth.

 

[durden7]

Not gonna read the wall of text on my phone so ill come back later to catch up but i will say that you should be careful to pass judgment or make assumptions about what the client/trainer relationship really is.

You dont know what someones goals are or the reason they want a trainer so i wouldnt make a judgment without knowing that info first.

Annnnd not everyones goals are to lose weight or gain weight.