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RustyShackleford said:
You are completely ignorant to the legislative process if you think it was that simple.
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THERE WAS NOT ENOUGH RESISTANCE to stop a immigration reform bill during Obama's first 1st term..hell that ish would've been bipartisan, who was gonna stop it rusty?????

da only Republicans left when Democrats owns both houses & da White House, were all Chamber of Congress cheap labor establishment butt boys.

you got NO answer for this, Obama botched IMMIGRATION, period.
 
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d nice said:
Trumps whole presidency is playing out like a bad GOT season. GOP is Cersei and Trump is the High Sparrow. Like Cersei the GOP thought they could rein in Trump, manipulate him, and use him as a shield when their policy decisions catch heat. But its been quite the opposite. Not only has Trump turned the GOP and it's base into the faith militant , but he's made every GOP leader look like gutless cowards.

Just like the High Sparrow and the faith militants, this story only ends one way.....
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I don't watch GoT

So...how did that story end?
 
ninjahood said:
THERE WAS NOT ENOUGH RESISTANCE to stop a immigration reform bill during Obama's first 1st term..hell that ish would've been bipartisan, who was gonna stop it rusty?????

da only Republicans left when Democrats owns both houses & da White House, were all Chamber of Congress cheap labor establishment butt boys.

you got NO answer for this, Obama botched IMMIGRATION, period.
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All right, I am home in front of a PC. Lemme cook.

Quite frankly, you a pedal a half truth, serve with a heaping side of BS.

Barack Obama faced amble resistance in his first term. The GOP took over the House in 2010. They lost they fragile 60 vote coalition in a little over a year into the first term after a special election in MA. There was never a liberal Democratic super majority. The fragile 60 vote block consisted of Lieberman who left the party and support McCain btw. And a hand full over right leaning Dems. They only got the 60th vote after Specter joined in early of this year. Franken was not seated until the summer because of GOP inference, Kennedy died that lead to a special election that the Dems lost in early 2010. The moderate Republican were on notice that working with Obama on major policy would result in them losing chairman positions and not proper support for reelection.

There was never a superiority Obama could been to his will. THAT IS BULL****. I have explained to you a million times. It exist for only like what 70-90 legislative days it you count them up. And the Dem Congress with Obama were super productive. They saved the economy from depression and they passed one the most important bills in America's history.

BTW, the Tea Party was already cooking weeks into the presidency. The held tax day protest and a massive one in September of 2009. The ACA was not even signed yet. I lived in DC buddy, don't try to tell me what went on in my town.

Furthermore, you as sooooooooooo intellectually dishonest. You lie about the passing of the ACA, talking about how the Dems rammed it though. Yet you complain now they didn't do the same for something you wanted. Well Edwin, is it Oochie Wally or One Mic. What principled stance are you gonna take finally. You can't hop back and forth when it suits you.

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Real quick as a general statement for everyone:

Eddie is right, Obama's record on immigration reform is mixed. Not because didn't pass immigration reform or because he deported so many people. Obama's deportation record can't be compared to previous presents because a) the way deportation were counted changed under Bush. Catch and release (I hate this vile term btw) didn't used to count and after 9/11 ICE started to talk on a law enforcement slant and when into the criminal justice system to get people out in a way they had not before.

Obama's sin was playing politics with immigration reform. Like criminal justice reform he knew the blowback and tried to manage it instead of going all in. Waiting at the best times to push it. I have been giving thought to the back and forth me and Rex had about pardons and the more I think of it the more he and anyone else has a right to be upset at Obama's actions. People voted for him to me different, not just better. He should have tried the Moses act more because that is what people put their faith in him for.

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To be honest you and anyone else that cares about immigration have a legit reason to be upset Obama didn't go all in. But that doesn't give you the right to rewrite history to further your partisan talking point. Obama faced challenges to pass it in his first term. It was not the breeze you wanna lie to convince people it was.

And you are doing all this to absolve yourself from the fact you support a vile xenophobic bigot that wants to kick 800,000 innocent people out the country for no good reason. An act you swore you would have a problem with, but now you dismiss it like is nothing. The time as come and all you wanna do to deflect is blame Obama for not protecting immigrants (probably people close to you too) from the bigot you help put in power and still cape for. Like how morally bankrupt can one person be. Is it so hard for you condemn Trump for the DACA? Huh?

And miss me with the court nonsense with DACA. When Trump Muslim ban was instituted you defended it even after the courts slapped in down. I'm tired of having to entertain your hypocrisy Ninja.

Like Meth said stop putting party over country, and over principle. Furthermore stop putting defending Trump over your people, and over basic decency.

I don't have to admit anything. Just because this time you are not trying to pedal a lie as the truth, just a half-truth as fact, you still spewing arrant bull ****.

Miss me with that Squealer.
 
noskey said:
If Aepps is anything like our other TRUE PATRIOT BROTHERS then he's out here fighting the good MERICAN fight FOR COAL and AGAINST LIBBIE INUENDO AND LIES. We can only SMH and WOW so much before ACTION MUST BE TAKEN. BEN BARSON 2020. #COALGANG2020 #BUILDTHATWALL #FIREDCALLAMERICAN
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WELL SAID COMRADE. Ready to use PAPA VLAD' S Musket on LIBBIES if they get in the way of COAL.
 
I trust Chuck Schumer in what he is doing. He looking to destabilize and demoralize the GOP coalition.

The popular wisdom about the 2006 midterms was that mounting casualties from the Iraq War caused all these mopderates to hange their minds about the Bush Administration. The truth is that wealthy, conservative suburbanites voted for Republicans in 2006 the same as they voted in 2004 or 2008 or 2012 or 2016. What caused the GOP to lose so big in 2006 was that the fight over immigration reform demoralized the more hardcore white supremacists within the GOP's coalition.

I thinking that Chuck Schumer is trying to recreate those conditions in the run up to 2018. Make Donald Trump look like a RINO. Actually, no that was the parlance of 2006. It's 2017. Chuck is trying to make Donald look like a "****," which is to say someone who soft on minorities.
 
rexanglorum said:
I trust Chuck Schumer in what he is doing. He looking to destabilize and demoralize the GOP coalition.

The popular wisdom about the 2006 midterms was that mounting casualties from the Iraq War caused all these mopderates to hange their minds about the Bush Administration. The truth is that wealthy, conservative suburbanites voted for Republicans in 2006 the same as they voted in 2004 or 2008 or 2012 or 2016. What caused the GOP to lose so big in 2006 was that the fight over immigration reform demoralized the more hardcore white supremacists within the GOP's coalition.

I thinking that Chuck Schumer is trying to recreate those conditions in the run up to 2018. Make Donald Trump look like a RINO. Actually, no that was the parlance of 2006. It's 2017. Chuck is trying to make Donald look like a "****," which is to say someone who soft on minorities.
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The COALition looks very unstable for the GOP already....they always bicker over the smallest issues.
Only thing that kept them together for 7 years was the hate for Obama.
 
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