***Official Political Discussion Thread***

[cl-1b]

i can see mail-in ballots as a way to exploit voter fraud as well 

 

[RustyShackleford]

I ask a straight up question. Get a diet xenophobic red herring deflection.

Of course

-The GOP hasn't even proved with have a voter fraud problem yet. Let us remember that

 

[cl-1b]

im not sure why you keep throwing xenophobic at me when I'm speaking of border jumpers... Im not against people from other countries at all. 

 

[cl-1b]

do you believe those people deserve a right help dictate leadership in this country? 

 

[RustyShackleford]

Except when you degrade naturalized citizens them as being not American, even though by law and definition they are.

 

[cl-1b]

Except when you degrade naturalized citizens them as being not American, even though by law and definition they are.

I respect you rusty. If i offended you i apologize. I just wanted to clarify that is all. 

 

[cl-1b]

you and everyone else that came here deserves all the rights anyone here has. You didn't jump the fence tho. 

 

[RustyShackleford]

-Most undocumented immigrants entering the US currently are not "jumping the border" . They are flying, from Asia, in and overstaying visas. LINK

From the estimate total, most are still Mexican, but people from Asia now are immigrating at higher rates.

-I never said undocumented immigrants should be able to vote, never once. Nice try

But the thing is, there is no proof that undocumented immigrants are out here effecting the outcome elections

You're talking about combating a problem that doesn't even exist

 

[cl-1b]

-Most undocumented immigrants entering the US currently are not "jumping the border"

. They are flying, from Asia, in and overstaying visas. LINK

-I never said undocumented immigrants should be able to vote, never once. Nice try

But the thing is, there is no proof that undocumented immigrants are out here effecting the outcome elections

You're talking about combating a problem that doesn't even exist

it doesn't exist because of the laws in place... and i feel that the voter ID law is one of them.

 

[RustyShackleford]

Show me evidence that there was a problem before the laws.

 

[gwap]

it has only just begun...

 

[cl-1b]

https://www.conservativereview.com/commentary/2016/02/obama-making-sure-non-citizens-vote

http://www.judicialwatch.org/blog/2014/10/obama-may-elected-illegal-votes/

 

[cl-1b]

http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2015/10/illegal-immigrants-could-elect-hillary-clinton-213216

 

[deleted]

Wasn't it found that a large number of states that instituted voter ID laws also had a history of discrimination against minority voters?

 

[cl-1b]

Wasn't it found that a large number of states that instituted voter ID laws also had a history of discrimination against minority voters?

But minority citizens have the ability to get an ID card.

 

[noskey]

^^^Famb before you engage him.

Damned he educate himself first. LINK

The 18 trillion is a 10 year cost of this programs over 10 years.

Trust me, I know what I was doing. He proved us right by dodging the question and making a personal attack assuming I dont know what I'm talking about

 

[cl-1b]

 

^^^Famb before you engage him.

Damned he educate himself first. LINK

The 18 trillion is a 10 year cost of this programs over 10 years.

Trust me, I know what I was doing. He proved us right by dodging the question and making a personal attack assuming I dont know what I'm talking about

considering your post to rep ratio.. something isn't adding up here 

 

[noskey]

Post/rep ratio? Still not saying how any of Sanders' plan affects you.

 

[cl-1b]

Post/rep ratio? Still not saying how any of Sanders' plan affects you.

His spending, tax & business policies are a joke. I don't need to elaborate. He has been syphoning from big brother's tit since day 1 and never held a private job outside of government but yet has the ability to form policy regarding business and taxation. simply put.. He is a walking paradox and an example of who we need to gut from the government. 

 

[noskey]

Well, thats your opinion I suppose. I wont ask you to elaborate, since you still arent answering my original question. Instead, how will Trump help you?

 

[gwap]

 

[cl-1b]

Well, thats your opinion I suppose. How will Trump help you?

de-regulation of business, reasonable tax. He actually understands cashflows and how to reduce these ridiculous trade deficits we have with places like china and mexico. And my favorite- i don't think he is afraid to go to Washington, clean house and gut everything and everyone that is not needed or corrupt. If we had a reset button for DC.. he would push it. The other stuff isn't as relevant to me i guess.. but we also need to reform the health care atrocity as well. The medical field has become the "ask the insurance company if it is ok if i do this procedure" field.. Its completely backwards. Thats what you get when you have a lawyer in office for 8 years i suppose.  

 

[deleted]

But minority citizens have the ability to get an ID card.

It seems like an easy task for you and I, but it's not so simple for the poor, elderly, uneducated, and others who may face certain social obstacles

A lot of people who are eligible to vote don't even have cars...or they may live in a rural area that is hours away from a place where they could get an ID...or they lack the money that it costs to get an ID

It's not as cut and dry as "go to the DMV and get your ID"

 

[cl-1b]

 

Haha she's a lefty tho... 

 

[RustyShackleford]

Damn, I didn't know Suze was outchea finessing like that