***Official Political Discussion Thread***

[MVP]

The low information voters don't know that though. They really believe this fool Drumpf is going to magically bring back am entire industry that is either obsolete by the advances in technology or by cheaper foreign labor.

 

[boris]

not everyone wants to live on da coastal cities... and, honestly i can empathize folks growing up in some random small town in da middle of da USA, and free trade hollows out da industry...u don't wanna leave ur home, but there's no work.

I'm convinced as soon as these Jobs come back, people will once again stop flooding NYC, go back to da burbs, and da cities will get alot cheaper again.

How is the billionaire that utilizes cheap foreign labor going to bring jobs back? 

 

[ninjahood]

Those jobs are not coming back.. They're gone. They're gone forever.

Any mass influx of jobs will come from new industries/sectors.

Those jobs that left, are gone.

da US can manufacturer plenty... maybe if our corporate taxes were so damn high and incentives to make stuff here wasn't dashed...

i remember when New Era fitteds only came from upstate NY.

 

[chandler6008]

Hiliarys ralling looking packed.

Lmfao

 

[essential1]

Are we using Favorable / Unfavorable and Right Track / Wrong Track to say how this election is going to go?

I mean first, if you're going to use Clinton's Favorability, you have to point out Trump's which is as bad. They also haven't been kept track of for the last few weeks by RCP, in which Clinton gets the edge because she went last.

As for Right Track / Wrong Track from July 13 - August 19 of 2012, the number was between -29 & -34.

 

[chandler6008]

da US can manufacturer plenty... maybe if our corporate taxes were so damn high and incentives to make stuff here wasn't dashed...

i remember when New Era fitteds only came from upstate NY.

Bro it's not the corporate tax rate . Lol when you can pay someone a dollar a day to make something over seas there is no way those jobs are coming back. It's just an excuse to lower taxes for companies.

You think the difference of 10-15/hr minimum for manufacturing jobs. Compared to .25cent/hr overseas is gonna be off set by lowering the corprate tax rate? Come on

 

[MVP]

You would think that's common sense but nope.

 

[boris]

Bro it's not the corporate tax rate . Lol when you can pay someone a dollar a day to make something over seas there is no way those jobs are coming back. It's just an excuse to lower taxes for companies.

You think the difference of 10-15/hr minimum! Compared to .25cent/hr overseas is gonna be off set by lowering the corprate tax rate? Come on

At the end of the day companies will go with what is more profitable. 

 

[Master Zik]

but Bernie doesn't know how to use email. should've tried a fax.

You must mean message by pigeon.

 

[essential1]

da US can manufacturer plenty... maybe if our corporate taxes were so damn high and incentives to make stuff here wasn't dashed...

i remember when New Era fitteds only came from upstate NY.

You know a significant number of factories left the "Rust Belt" to the "Sun Belt" in the 1970s because of lower taxes, lack of unions, friendly politicians.

Do you know what happened to most of those factories that went to the Sun Belt?

They left the South as well.

Because what the real world dictates about capitalism, is that there's always a search to cut costs. No matter how low the taxes are, or how many incentives you give them, if there is a cheaper option, they will take it. It's what businesses do. And you don't think other countries will make an effort to keep manufacturing in their country? You just think it's that easy?


I don't think you understand globalization very well. There's very little that can be done, it's either cripple the country because you had to let corporations skirt completely on taxes (in which the tax burden is passed to individuals), or you cripple the corporations for moving jobs overseas, and in return the corporation responds by bringing jobs back, hiking up the price a significant amount, and then screws up the middle class' standard of living, or the corporation has to vastly shrink after a few years here.

 

[osh kosh bosh]

Manufacturing in america is as robust as ever.

but the plants are now filled with robots.




Old school manufacturing jobs are never coming back. period.

 

[frink85]

How come no one ever blames companies for moving jobs or layoffs? It's always the governments fault or robots fault or taxes or etc. How, Sway?

 

[essential1]

but the plants are now filled with robots.

First they took our jobs.. Next they take our sports

 

[Armada]

I'd watch a robot league.

 

[frink85]

Terrible goalkeeping

 

[biggie62]

Cost of production is definitely a major contributor but with costs of shipping and insuring having gone up and its capitalized in the product costs, foreign wages rising, and other factors have lead many manufacturers to bring back the plants here but like many stated, they are now run by robots except for the IT support staff there. Those jobs are gone. It's happening in the financial services industry as well, no industry is safe. So again I state, either you adapt or you get left behind. People need to wake up.

Of course this whole low cost methodology does not apply as heavily to specialized and high quality products. As margins are then large and thus you only need to produce a few products since people will pay the premium.

 

[superblytrife]

How come no one ever blames companies for moving jobs or layoffs? It's always the governments fault or robots fault or taxes or etc. How, Sway?

THIS.

On a related note, it cracks me up how conservatives will ***** and moan about jobs leaving the U.S. because of high taxes or the current administration not being business-friendly.  Their answer is to cater to these companies by incentivizing (see: corporate welfare) their decision to keep jobs here.  

So the party that consistently whines about big government wants the government to have a hand in making sure companies stay here.  But I thought capitalism and the free market was all about companies doing what's best for them and making money the best way they know how?  What happened to that?  Why are we frowning on them exporting jobs if that is what makes them the most money?  

It's funny to see how quickly the tune changes when good ol' American capitalism leaves their constituency jobless.  

 

[ninjahood]

Bro it's not the corporate tax rate . Lol when you can pay someone a dollar a day to make something over seas there is no way those jobs are coming back. It's just an excuse to lower taxes for companies.


You think the difference of 10-15/hr minimum! Compared to .25cent/hr overseas is gonna be off set by lowering the corprate tax rate? Come on

At the end of the day companies will go with what is more profitable. 

so give companies da profit model (and tax breaks) to make here in da US...

 

[essential1]

so give companies da profit model (and tax breaks) to make here in da US...

 

[RustyShackleford]

It doesn't matter how low you cut taxes, if their is a cheaper option, a corporation will take that.

If we cut taxes in America, foreign governments will do the same and probably lower wages as well. America has never manufactured more than it does right now, except current day manufacturing is very capital intensive. The labor intensive ways of doing things are never coming back, so all those jobs that went away aren't coming back either.

We have a alternative though, which is creating a jobs program to rebuild and upgrade our infrastructure. That would help the economy in many ways. At least pass a jobs bill, right now is the best time to do it.

 

[everysingletime]

Ninja is good at trolling...he's almost as good at it as Trump.

 

[ninjahood]

But I thought capitalism and the free market was all about companies doing what's best for them and making money the best way they know how?

make no mistake about it, plenty of free market folks lamenting da rise on Donald Trump.

remember, putting American interest first sometimes isnt in da interest of Multi-national conglomerates...

this is why being a rigid ideologue over a patriot is shooting urself in da foot.

 

[whywesteppin]

Terrible goalkeeping

but did the robots learn how to fake injury?

 

[Nike Jordan]

Manufacturing in the U.S. is ALL THE WAY UP!!!

 

[RustyShackleford]

The "problem" with free trade is that the many benefit (consumers getting cheaper good), and the few pay (factories closing, loss of good union jobs). Overall there is a net positive, but the places that got hit the hardest didn't get help. Because at the same time America got free trade happy, they were also injuring the welfare state.

If Trump short-sighted plans go through, the opposite will happen. Even fewer will benefit (people that get the few jobs that do come back), and the many will pay (higher prices on many consumer goods). Businesses will just pass on the extra cost to consumers. Also, if you put tariffs in place, that only makes the situation worst because more you're reducing competition.

I could go deeper, but I will save everyone the boring economics lecture because most people know the story.

Trump is pedaling his ideas as Pareto optimal, and that is plain and simple not true