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Let me ask you guys something.


FPS's are huge and all but I can't play longer than 10 minutes because I get migraines. I don't know why, I'm fine with everything else. Is there anything I can do about this? I would love to play COD: Ghosts, Killzone: SF, BF4 but this **** is frustrating. I don't want to pop an asprin every 10 minutes because I don't want to destroy my liver, I like living.
I get headaches too I can say that on better hi def tv's it deminishes but I still get a lil dizzy/sick. Playing further away from the tv helps

Try making a pot of ginger or peppermint tea. I had a friend who had the same issue and swore by it.

A little weird seeing a dude firing trash talk over a mic with his legs crossed sipping on grandma's fine china.
 
I get headaches too I can say that on better hi def tv's it deminishes but I still get a lil dizzy/sick. Playing further away from the tv helps


I'll try that tomorrow with COD: BO II & KZ 2.



If anything, i'll look into seeing an eye doctor or something. Maybe i just need glasses.
naw it has something to do with the brain processing something cause of the movements mumbo jumbo stuff
 
Hertz is the refresh rate of a tv.

Higher the hertz, the less motion blur.

The first time I saw 240 hertz it looked too real, if that makes sense. I watched Thor on blu-ray with 240 hertz and it looked weird. Not bad, but almost too clear.


What is the 'Soap Opera Effect'?

Does your new TV's ultra-smooth motion drive you crazy? Find out why and what you can do about it.
Geoffrey Morrison
by Geoffrey Morrison
February 14, 2013 8:55 AM PST
(Credit: Samsung)

Do movies look weird on your new TV? Does everything have a hyper-real, ultra-smooth motion to it? Are you sure something is happening with the TV's image you don't like, but you can't figure out what?

Chances are, what you're seeing is called the "Soap Opera Effect," as descriptive a moniker as we get in tech, in that this feature makes everything on your TV look like a cheap soap opera.

Here's what it is, what it does, and how to turn it off.

The Soap Opera Effect, or SOE, is actually a feature of many modern televisions. It's called "motion smoothing," "motion interpolation," or "ME/MC" for motion estimation/motion compensation. Some people don't notice it, some don't mind it, and a few even like it. From e-mails and article comments I've read, it seems most people hate it.

This motion "whatever" was ostensibly developed to help decrease apparent motion blur on LCDs. All LCD TVs have difficulty with motion resolution. Which is to say, any object onscreen that's in motion will be less detailed (slightly blurry) compared with that same object when stationary. High-refresh-rate LCDs (120Hz and 240Hz) were developed to combat this problem. Check out "What is refresh rate" for a more in-depth description of this. The short version: in order for high-refresh-rate TVs to be most effective, they need new, real frames to insert in-between the original frames.

Thanks to speedy processors, TVs can "guess" what's happening between the frames captured by the camera originally. These new frames are a hybrid of the frame before and the frame after. By creating these frames, motion blur is reduced. With 30fps and 60fps content, this is great. Content like sports have better detail with motion, and there are minimal side effects (beyond errors/artifacts possible with cheaper/lesser motion interpolation processing).
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Film
However, with 24fps content (namely Hollywood movies and most nonreality, prime-time TV shows like sitcoms and dramas), there's a problem. The cadence of film, and the associated blurring of the slower frame rate's image, is linked to the perception of fiction. Check out the scathing reviews of the high frame rate version of "The Hobbit" for proof of that. Even if this perception seems grandiose -- the look of 24fps is expected with movies and fiction TV shows. Even though the TV and movie industries have been moving away from shooting on actual film, the new digital cameras are set for 24fps because the audience for fictional programming expects that look.

SOE messes with this cadence. By creating new frames between the 24 original frames, it causes it to look like 30fps or 60fps content. In other words, it makes movies (24fps) look like soap operas (30/60fps). And thus, a name is born.

Toshiba ClearFrame logo
(Credit: Toshiba)

By any other name
Every TV company has a different name for their motion interpolation processing. A sort list: Sony MotionFlow, Samsung Auto Motion Plus, Sharp AquoMotion, Toshiba ClearFrame or ClearScan, Vizio Smooth Motion, and LG TruMotion. I sense a theme.

While reducing motion blur is the main reason this processing exists, the (possibly) beneficial side effect is reducing the 2:3 judder noticeable on fast pans in 24fps content. The process of converting 24fps content for 60fps televisions involves a 2:3 sequence. The first frame is shown twice, the second frame three times, the third twice, and so on. Check out "1080i and 1080p are the same resolution" for a more detailed description. Because this sequence is, well, weird, camera pans can look jerky or juddery. Motion interpolation smooths this out. This is one of the reasons why some people prefer the SOE.

Nearly all companies allow you to disable SOE, and most allow you to adjust its intensity. Some separate out the blur reduction from the judder reduction, though personally I've found SOE at any level to be distracting.

Plasma
Up until recently SOE has been an LCD-only "issue." In the effort to make plasmas more competitive in a retail store, motion smoothing circuitry has found its way into plasmas. Because plasma TVs don't suffer from the motion blur problems that LCDs have (or at least, not to the extent), motion smoothing is largely superfluous. For that matter, plasmas aren't increasing their refresh rates to insert new frames, so all that's really happening is the TV is creating new frames to insert in-between the film frames, just to make the motion smoother.

Panasonic, for example, calls its version of this Cinema Smoother. On its LCDs, you can find it under "Motion Picture Setting."

This is how Panasonic explains its Cinema Smooth processing. Other company's processing works the similar to this diagram. Note the ' and " signifying the blue-boxed frames are different (interpolated).
(Credit: Panasonic)

Bottom line
The best part about the Soap Opera Effect is if you don't like it, you can turn it off. A few minutes digging though your TV's picture settings, and you should be able to find it. Get to know where this setting is (it's probably on the remote, too). It's possible you'll want it on when you're watching sports, or other "video"-based content (30fps or 60fps). Then, for movies and fictional TV programming, you can turn it off. This will give you the best-of-both worlds approach with minimal motion blur with sports, and no SOE with movies.

With plasma TVs, though, there is little penalty to turning this "feature" off. So go ahead.
 
what's better, playstation plus membership or playstation network card?
Depends , unless i'm mistaken you could use a PSN card to purchase your playstation plus membership or part of it since the psn card just adds funds to your wallet. But maybe someone else can confirm this in case I'm wrong.
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I have a Panasonic 55 inch Viera LED 240hz 1080p that I bought for Xmas 2012. While the picture quality is superb and top notch, the input lag is horrible. Button response is delayed 1 sec or so, plasma is the way to go for TVs if u plan to game on them.
agreed. I've been checking out plasmas. Really trying to decide how much i actually want to drop for a new tv though. If you dont mind me asking how much id your LED run you?
The new one?

You mean 240hz right?

IDK what hz do to a picture quality.

What does it do?
it's basically a refresh rate. Makes the picture clearer for things with faster motion such as video games or sports. Difference is slightly noticeable with tv and film but IMO not a great difference.

http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2379206,00.asp

Great article that kinda explains it in alot more detail.
 
Hertz is the refresh rate of a tv.

Higher the hertz, the less motion blur.

The first time I saw 240 hertz it looked too real, if that makes sense. I watched Thor on blu-ray with 240 hertz and it looked weird. Not bad, but almost too clear.

first time blu ray came out movies looked too real
it looked so real it made the movie look fake :lol:

my vizio got 240 hertz no complaints though :pimp:
 
i know i'm an idiot.........can somebody explain to me the used game video for PS4? I seriously don't get the message

Microsoft came out and was a little unclear how borrowing games would work, but it seemed like you need to sign into a friends console with your username, download it, then play for possibly only a specific amount of time.

Sony poked fun at this by just having a simple handing over of the game to a friend.
 
Microsoft came out and was a little unclear how borrowing games would work, but it seemed like you need to sign into a friends console with your username, download it, then play for possibly only a specific amount of time.

Sony poked fun at this by just having a simple handing over of the game to a friend.
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i should have watched the E3 for Xbox 1
 
I'm not done with this gen yet. The Last Of Us is easily one of the best games I've ever played

Mannnn, so much hype for The Last of Us. I haven't really played any video games since MW2, but I feel like I need to cop this one. I'll wait a few weeks for a used one and cop it on ebay/CL.
 
i know i'm an idiot.........can somebody explain to me the used game video for PS4? I seriously don't get the message

Microsoft came out and was a little unclear how borrowing games would work, but it seemed like you need to sign into a friends console with your username, download it, then play for possibly only a specific amount of time.

Sony poked fun at this by just having a simple handing over of the game to a friend.

I don't think you can download it. If you want to download it you'd have to "purchase" it?

Correct me if I'm wrong.
 
I don't know what other game to get besides BF4 at launch. KIllzone looks good, but I don't want another shooter. I would have said Driveclub before they announced the PS Plus edition. I'll probably play BF4 until MGS comes out.
 
Excited to have all these new NT'ers on board. :smokin AND having my friends list not max at 100.

Feel free to add me (PSN in sig). I am sure a few of the regulars wont mind you adding them as well. I am on most games, usually during the evenings. Girlfriend is a teacher so she is in bed by 9. And by 9:05 Im ready for some gaming. :lol:
 
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