:::[Official] San Francisco 49ers 2024 Offseason Thread [NFC CHAMPIONS]:::

[illvine]

 

[black59razor]

LOL beat me

god damn that was a bomb 

 

[illvine]

Crazy

 

[TheGodFresco]

Jed thought Tomsula could do better than Harbs

I mean with equal talent who knows?

 

[letsgetit22]

Am I the only one who doesn't like and has never liked Baalke?

 

[moe200069]

baalke has hit on recent drafts, just unfortunate that Antony Davis and Borland retired coupled with a lot of other departures.

if there's one reason to not like him, it's the rift that he might have caused or exacerbated between harbaugh and the niners

 

[illvine]

@Eric_Branch 1 hour ago

Aaron Rodgers on Colin Kaepernick: "Any time you're under that kind of pass rush it's tough be effective." #49ers

@MaioccoCSN 2 minutes ago

#49ers WR Quinton Patton was diagnosed with concussion. He will have to clear NFL protocol to be available to play next Sunday vs. NYGiants.

Of course, one of the few bright spots from today

 

[ii flash ii]

One of the packers players said "you aint Russell Wilson, bro"

That had to hurt Kap

 

[illvine]

Those dudes feelings are hurt, Kap has destroyed them. Twice in the Playoffs


Today on the other hand...

 

[jonwin]

Those dudes feelings are hurt, Kap has destroyed them. Twice in the Playoffs


Today on the other hand...

Seriously, Kap has been struggling and looked bad for awhile now and Clay Matthews acting like he and Packers are first team to shut him down

Defense was impressive today and obviously much better than last 2 games.

Offense showing same issues since week 2, offensive line been damn near non-existent and all these penalties.

Might be reaching here but think game could have tilted slightly other way if it was Celek in on those plays Vance goofed on. Total momentum killer.


More bizarre play-calling in certain down situations

 

[DonRafa]

look at dude's face. that's the look of a broken and defeated man. 


those eyes are soulless. 

anyone have a link to this presser?

Kaep looked like he was going to cry there for a bit. confidence is definitely shaken and it showed on that throw to bush where he second guessed himself and tried to pull back. it's gonna be a long season if changes aren't made.

Lynch was pretty much the only star shining out there today.

 

[illvine]

look at dude's face. that's the look of a broken and defeated man. 


those eyes are soulless. 

anyone have a link to this presser?

http://www.49ers.com/video/videos/C...ird-Loss/22b69de7-3511-4d04-a67f-4681ca0fcbc6

 

[black59razor]

[h1]  [/h1]
really, really good article from bayareasportsguy

[h1]The 49ers ruined Colin Kaepernick[/h1]
The 49ers lost 17-3 to the Packers this afternoon, and Colin Kaepernick is currently a terrible quarterback. When Troy Aikman, as milquetoast as it gets, says the quarterback possibly “saw a ghost” while trying to explain a wobbling short pass at a receiver’s feet in the red zone, things are really  bad.

What, we expected a great game? We already knew Kaepernick was the 49ers’ new fall guy,  and his teammates and coaches all knew it too.

Not only is Kaepernick throwing interceptions, taking sacks and losing games, he’s losing his team. Alex Boone mouthed the word “quarterback” to Joe Staley when one of FOX’s cameras showed them on the bench during the fourth quarter — there’s no way the context could’ve been complimentary. Anquan Boldin looks like he’s ready to tear every bit of Levi’s sod up from the ground every time Kaepernick overthrows one of his sideline routes. Torrey Smith misses Joe Flacco like the deserts miss the rain.

Kaepernick’s confidence is gone. Fans are looking for the 49ers to replace him with Blaine Gabbert.

Hmmm … this sounds familiar.

Candlestick faithful once chanted David Carr’s name when Alex Smith struggled, while a totally-over-his-head coach with frighteningly little experience named Mike Singletary stalked the sideline. Smith never played with anything approaching confidence until the 49ers put together one of the best offensive lines in the league and brought in Jim Harbaugh, who accentuated Smith’s strengths — intelligence, mobility and caution.

Harbaugh liked Kaepernick’s attributes — speed, arm strength and fearlessness — even more, and the two won a lot of games together in a short period. To think that the same quarterback who went sleeveless in Lambeau when the wind chill made it feel like -14 degrees and led the 49ers to a 23-20 win looks like this  in 2015 … well, it would’ve been hard to fathom less than two years ago. But the 49ers, through a series of awful decisions, buried a rising star.

The front office let the world know that Harbaugh was not long for the job. Within weeks of losing the NFC Championship in Seattle (a game the 49ers would’ve lost by 10+ if Kaepernick didn’t play out of his mind in the second half, up until his unfortunate decision to test Richard Sherman), Harbaugh’s future was in question.

When employees feel like they’re walking the plank, they make different decisions than they would normally. Whether that’s why Harbaugh and Greg Roman tried to make Kaepernick into something he’s not, or they saw defenses adjusting to a single-read quarterback who really wanted to run more than anything else, who knows. However, here are the facts: Kaepernick played very well in 2012 and 2013 (with a QB rating of well over 90), and then he regressed in 2014 while his mentor dodged friendly fire.

Not one person has called Kaepernick lazy. Perhaps he spends more time on his physique than he should, considering his weaknesses. But who predicted he’d regress after 2013? Just about everyone thought he’d get better, because that’s what generally happens with players in their mid-20s.

Kaepernick was never a master quarterback in the way Steve Young describes the craft, but he also won four playoff games, three on the road. Now he has no idea what he’s doing, he’s running around in circles, and his passes are flying out of bounds. We can either question his mental acuity, say he never had “it” all along, or take a moment to wonder if ANY PROMINENT PLAYER on this roster has gotten markedly better over the last 20 games throughout all of this turmoil.

“It’s up to Kap to save us!”

The pro-49ers faction of the media said this with something approaching glee heading into this season, didn’t they?

With so many players fleeing, and a new (OK, kind of) coaching staff, the 49ers and their “young and talented roster” would go as far as Kaepernick took them this season.  We heard that a thousand times. And Kaepernick, like Harbaugh a year ago, changed things up quite a bit heading into this make-or-break year. After working with Harbaugh during the season and some receivers during the offseason over the first four years of his career, Kaepernick sought the tutelage of Kurt Warner’s crew in Arizona, a decision championed by Trent Dilfer. Dilfer was the one who called Kaepernick’s quarterbacking “remedial” in 2013 (a shot at Harbaugh that ownership surely loved), then gushed with ridiculously effusive praise when Kaepernick played a very Dilfer-like game (without the interceptions) in the 49ers’ 20-3 win over the Vikings.

While Kaepernick was working with Warner’s people, the 49ers were still “looking” for an offensive coordinator. (I put that in quotes because I believe they wanted to bring Geep Chryst back at a team-friendly price all along.) Think about that. Kaepernick was in the process of remaking his game and playing style, and he had no idea what offense he’d run in 2015. There’s no way Kaepernick felt secure about his future with this team, and that’s before we examine the trade rumors that turned into nothing.

The 49ers’ defense was horrendous in Glendale a week ago, but Ted Robinson told every single KNBR host he could that Kaepernick was the problem. Robinson referenced an event he attended this past week along with several “successful Silicon Valley executives,” and how one CEO compared himself to Kaepernick. The CEO told Robinson that when he walks into a boardroom, he needs to be respected as THE CEO. (You could probably cut the narcissism with a spork at that party.)

Robinson asked this question on multiple shows: Does Kaepernick have that kind of respect from his teammates? The writing was on the wall for Kaepernick before today’s game against the Packers (who were in full “let’s not show the rest of the NFL what we can really do” mode throughout) even started. The CEO story has Jed York written all over it, and Robinson is trying to keep his job after getting suspended by the 49ers last year.  He knows exactly what the front office wants us to hear.

Trent Baalke wanted Andy Dalton. Kap was Harbaugh’s guy. Time to take out the trash.

The easy rebuttal: Kaepernick is playing terribly.

But how is this a surprise?

— Chryst should not be an offensive coordinator. He called for a Reggie Bush (golly, what an impact he made today) carry up the middle on 3rd-and-11 today … in the third quarter when the 49ers still had a chance.

— The 49ers knew their offensive line was going to be terrible, and they didn’t add one starting-caliber offensive lineman this offseason. Blame Anthony Davis all you want. They know better than anyone that he’s the kind of guy who might bail on the team at any moment. And they drafted him. Intelligent teams plan for relative catastrophes like Davis’ retirement.

— “I think somewhere in there, he said we’re  going  to  run  the  football.”  — Baalke (Jan. 15, 2015)

— “But with Kap you got a guy in Geep Chryst who knows him better than anybody else,” York said. “You have a great guy in Steve Logan that’s coming in that’s going to work with him on fundamentals and to put a system that’s going to put Kap in the best position to make plays. How many quarterbacks in this league can run 90 yards for a touchdown? I can’t think of many, but you have to put Kap in position where he can make those plays and put Kap in position where we can run the ball. We can throw the ball in ways that allows him to be successful and let him be the absolute stud that he can be on the field, and that’s what you’re going to see from us next year. Defenses are not going to want to play against us because you’re not going to know where we’re going to hit you.” — York (Jan. 30, 2015)

— “We’re not a drop-back team. We’re not built that way. We’re not built like other teams.”  — Jim Tomsula Sept. 28, 2015)

So Kaepernick has an awful offensive line, only two of their five receivers would get snaps for at least 80% of NFL teams (and one of their top two wideouts is 35), and everyone from the owner to the head coach is announcing to the league that Kaepernick will run constantly this year when he isn’t rolling to his right and throwing short passes. Wow, what a tough case to crack for opposing defensive coordinators.

Quarterbacking in the NFL is incredibly difficult. A sizable contingent of 49ers fans believe that Aaron Rodgers would’ve been a far worse player if the 49ers drafted him with the first overall pick for a reason. If a quarterback has very little support, either on or off the field, he has no chance.

Here’s what’s going to happen to Kaepernick. We already know he’s gone next year, and we’ll see how smart his representatives are this offseason. If they have his best interests at heart, he’ll sign with one of the top teams (Patriots, Packers, Broncos) as a backup and learn from actual coaches. After all, the one thing he has on his side, even now, is health. It’s not like there are a lot of great quarterbacks out there. Kaepernick’s career could last well into his 30s if he finds another winning situation or two. But if his people are all about A$AP money, he’ll sign with an awful team that promises a starting job and he’ll be out of the league within two or three seasons.

The 49ers are going to sink to the bottom of the NFL standings, and they’ll be in the market for a quarterback. But it’ll be tough not to pity any signal caller who has the misfortune of getting drafted by Baalke, a scout who prefers to focus on the defensive side, who along with York has built one of the worst coaching staffs in franchise history … since the staff that was there before they hired Harbaugh, at least.

Niners Notes

— The defense played pretty well today. At least with all of these problems and roster departures, the 49ers can still stop Adrian Peterson and contain Rodgers.

— How would this game have gone if Michael Wilhoite didn’t shove Randall Cobb (a stupid move since Wilhoite lined up more than five yards away from the line of scrimmage)? The 49ers still would’ve lost, but the second half might have been a bit more interesting.

— Jarryd Hayne has a lot of respect from opposing teams — the Packers went to great lengths to either pin him on the sideline or punt the ball out of bounds.

— Vance McDonald is awful. Bradley Pinion is a rookie, so the jury is still out, but he seems like another questionable draft pick by Baalke as well.

— Quinton Patton had his best game as a pro. He showed some impressive speed when he took off down the left sideline on the 49ers’ best play of the day. And no dumb penalties! Progress for Patton.

— Carlos Hyde rushed eight times for 20 yards against a team that came into this game allowing a league-worst 5.0 yards per carry. Everyone knows what the 49ers are doing — a sad story for the team that used to employ Bill Walsh.

 

[ii flash ii]

The few passes to the feet of the receivers and those ugly throws that went out of bounds certainly didn't help Kap either

Few things that need to get shaken up:

- bench jerod-eddie, why is he even playing this much?
- armstead needs to play more
- change up that line (can't wait to get kilgore back, he was seen in warm ups snapping to Kap)

Btw, Hayne already gaining respect out there... They didn't want to give him any chances

 

[DonRafa]

damn, that article is on point.

what's sad is that's it's this obvious to people who aren't part of the organization but not within it

 

[sylvestermcgrizzly]

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[withmfb]

Definitely on point. Agree with the needed change somewhere on the O-line. If (York/Baalke let) Tomsula addresses the fact that QB protection is a problem, it might help Kaep get off the island he must feel like he's on with all the received criticism.

 

[bentrill]

That article went too far, im not willing to give up on Kap that easily. He freakin took us to the super bowl followed by an NFC championship appearence. Also incuded in there is 3 very hard road playoff games. Too say he will be out the league or be a backup just like that is going too far. I agree he has looked like garbage these past couple of games. But throughout the NFL there have been QBs who had slumps like this. They were able to bounce back and continue. I know Kap is going through stuff, it maybe him, the scheme, or the coaches. Who knows? But Kap is our franchise QB and whoever is jumping out the bandwagon right now, go ahead, we like sitting alone.

#havefaith

 

[illvine]

That article went too far, im not willing to give up on Kap that easily. He freakin took us to the super bowl followed by an NFC championship appearence. Also incuded in there is 3 very hard road playoff games. Too say he will be out the league or be a backup just like that is going too far. I agree he has looked like garbage these past couple of games. But throughout the NFL there have been QBs who had slumps like this. They were able to bounce back and continue. I know Kap is going through stuff, it maybe him, the scheme, or the coaches. Who knows? But Kap is our franchise QB and whoever is jumping out the bandwagon right now, go ahead, we like sitting alone.

#havefaith

All of this

 

[ii flash ii]

Just seen that it was Matthews that said that about Kap

Figures after getting torched every other game

 

[49ersaaron8]

This kap is not the same tho guys. That vintage kap is gone. He will not be in a 49er uniform next year. He's due too much money and like that article pointed out not completely his Fault at all but, a lot is expected of a QB with a multi year deal. I was a huge kap supporter but these same things plagued RG3's career he got his confidence shaken and it's hard to come back from that.

 

[illvine]

Thing is, Kaps not making all that money unless he performs, which he hasn't been even though it's not all on him. Got a lot guaranteed, but a huge chunk of that is incentive based.

I'm ridin with Kap heavy until he isn't our QB anymore

 

[49ersaaron8]

I am as well but that's not preventing me from being a realist and I'm real blown he didn't manifest into what we thought he could be. He lacks touch constantly on crossing patterns and throws right in front of his face. Sometimes he will throw a beautiful slot fade or even a nice vertical route like the one to Torrey smith today on cover 0 defense but the lack of consistency through three years now is mind boggling.

I approved of the multi year deal then when I read it was very team friendly and incentive laden i defintely approved. But that contract may be the catalyst for the whole shaking of his confidence. All QBs who have played through their rookie deals and are given the reigns as the starting QB get guaranteed big money contracts even Cutler. But Kap has a pay as you go phone contract essentially. **** is sad man. Wish we could rewind time and take the greatest thrower of the ball ever.

 

[49ersaaron8]

He has to string together about 7 to 8 good games this year with high QB rating and show signs of footwork improvement or he will be on the Eagles roster next year.

Is it a fact that Baalke wanted Dalton and Harbs wanted Kap? That was new to me. Dalton actually has looked real good this year and he was In the hot seat with that fanbase. So I'm not ready to give up on Kap but I think the team and management are prepared.

 

[lightweight champion]

I think if you look at the contract he signed it's really Baalke's way of saying I don't think you're the guy but we'll pay you if you are.