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OctobersVeryOwn said:

what kinda perks we tombout tho

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hallywoodxo said:

Take what you will from it, but being proficient at English is nothing to be proud of if you fancy yourself as the intellectual standard.

Toronto, CANADA –Non-musicians who speak tonal languages may have a better ear for learning musical notes, according to Canadian researchers.

Tonal languages, found mainly in Asia, Africa and South America, have an abundance of high and low pitch patterns as part of speech. In these languages, differences in pitch can alter the meaning of a word. Vietnamese, for example, has eleven different vowel sounds and six different tones. Cantonese also has an intricate six-tone system, while English has no tones.

Researchers at Baycrest Health Sciences’ Rotman Research Institute (RRI) in Toronto have found the strongest evidence yet that speaking a tonal language may improve how the brain hears music. While the findings may boost the egos of tonal language speakers who excel in musicianship, they are exciting neuroscientists for another reason: they represent the first strong evidence that music and language – which share overlapping brain structures – have bi-directional benefits!

The findings are published today in PLOS ONE, an international, peer-reviewed open-access science journal.

The benefits of music training for speech and language are already well documented (showing positive influences on speech perception and recognition, auditory working memory, aspects of verbal intelligence, and awareness of the sound structure of spoken words). The reverse – the benefits of language experience for learning music – has largely been unexplored until now.

Gavin Bidelman
Gavin Bidelman
“For those who speak tonal languages, we believe their brain’s auditory system is already enhanced to allow them to hear musical notes better and detect minute changes in pitch,” said lead investigator Gavin Bidelman, who conducted the research as a post-doctoral fellow at Baycrest’s RRI, supported by a GRAMMY Foundation[emoji]174[/emoji] grant.

“If you pick up an instrument, you may be able to acquire the skills faster to play that instrument because your brain has already built up these auditory perceptual advantages through speaking your native tonal language.”

But Bidelman, now assistant professor with the Institute for Intelligent Systems and School of Communication Science & Disorders at the University of Memphis, was quick to dispel the notion that people who speak tonal languages make better musicians. Musicianship requires much more than the sense of hearing and plenty of English-speaking musical icons will put that quick assumption to rest.

That music and language – two key domains of human cognition – can influence each other offers exciting possibilities for devising new approaches to rehabilitation for people with speech and language deficits, said Bidelman.

“If music and language are so intimately coupled, we may be able to design rehabilitation treatments that use musical training to help individuals improve speech-related functions that have been impaired due to age, aphasia or stroke,” he suggested. Bidelman added that similar benefits might also work in the opposite direction. Musical listening skills could be improved by designing well-crafted speech and language training programs.

The study

Fifty-four healthy adults in their mid-20s were recruited for the study from the University of Toronto and Greater Toronto Area. They were divided into three groups: English-speaking trained musicians (instrumentalists) and Cantonese-speaking and English-speaking non-musicians.

Speaking a tonal language (such as Cantonese) primes the brain for musical trainingWearing headphones in a sound-proof lab, participants were tested on their ability to discriminate complex musical notes. They were assessed on measures of auditory pitch acuity and music perception as well as general cognitive ability such as working memory and fluid intelligence (abstract reasoning, thinking quickly).

While the musicians demonstrated superior performance on all auditory measures, the Cantonese non-musicians showed similar performance to musicians on music and cognitive behavioural tasks, testing 15 to 20 percent higher than that of the English-speaking non-musicians.

Bidelman added that not all tonal languages may offer the music listening benefits seen with the Cantonese speakers in his study. Mandarin, for example, has more “curved” tones and the pitch patterns vary with time – which is different from how pitch occurs in music. Musical pitch resembles “stair step, level pitch patterns” which happen to share similarities with the Cantonese language, he explained.

Bidelman’s research team included Sylvain Moreno, senior scientist with Baycrest’s RRI and lead scientist with the Baycrest Centre for Brain Fitness; and Stefanie Hutka, an RRI graduate student and PhD student in the Department of Psychology, University of Toronto.

The GRAMMY Foundation, which supported the study, works in partnership with its founder The Recording Academy[emoji]174[/emoji] to bring national attention to important issues such as the value and impact of music and arts education.

- See more at: http://www.baycrest.org/research-ne...-primes-the-brain-for-musical-training/#.dpuf

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PmpDaddyRobFord said:

Godry said:

Alright let me rephrase, I never knew that the Texas Chainsaw massacre wasn't a true story.

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lol yea bro come on. that **** mad fake
hell I think they even said the original Hills have eyes is based off of a story

Freddy Kruger was based off of something too and that **** is wild lol

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paulprince3730 said:

PmpDaddyRobFord said:

Godry said:

Alright let me rephrase, I never knew that the Texas Chainsaw massacre wasn't a true story.

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lol yea bro come on. that **** mad fake
hell I think they even said the original Hills have eyes is based off of a story

Freddy Kruger was based off of something too and that **** is wild lol

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The original hills have eyes is based off of disappearances in the desert

Kruger is based off of a pedophile killer

Leather face was loosely based on ed gein who actually did wear people's scalps and faces, he didn't use a chainsaw tho, and he lived in Wisconsin not texas

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651akathePaul said:

It's a weird mental block, because to others it seems so simple to understand. While I'm proficient at the usage of pass and past, I have the same damn problem with effect and affect.

So, to you Gordonson , if you have one of those tricks of remembering things for me, I'd greatly appreciate it. With reps, of course.

I remember from somewhere about affect being emotion based, ala affection vs. cause and effect, but every time I think I have it figured, I see someone using one of those when I thought it should be the other. Happens all the time, so I don't know if they used it incorrectly or if because I just can't get a handle on it. Probably the latter.

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Gordonson said:

^ Source on dying from not sleeping for three days? I just looked it up and the closest thing to that has been a study where someone went 11 days without sleep and was still able to function.

There's also apparently a disease called Fatal Familial Insomnia that causes people to have extended periods of sleeplessness, before eventually succumbing to things like dementia and then death. The average survival span after diagnosis for that is 18 months, and the shortest survival span even seems to bearound 6 months.

I'd say anyone dying after 3 days without sleep had other issues that played a role.

651akathePaul said:

It's a weird mental block, because to others it seems so simple to understand. While I'm proficient at the usage of pass and past, I have the same damn problem with effect and affect.

So, to you Gordonson , if you have one of those tricks of remembering things for me, I'd greatly appreciate it. With reps, of course.

I remember from somewhere about affect being emotion based, ala affection vs. cause and effect, but every time I think I have it figured, I see someone using one of those when I thought it should be the other. Happens all the time, so I don't know if they used it incorrectly or if because I just can't get a handle on it. Probably the latter.

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My bad, just caught this. I don't have as concrete of an answer for this one as I did for Brolic, but in your response to Hallywood, the correct word to use was 'affect' (pitch affects).

I did a little searching, and you may have looked at this already but if you haven't; this link might help: http://grammar.yourdictionary.com/style-and-usage/affect-effect-grammar.html

The only really rule that comes to mind with affect vs. effect is that the former is a matter of influencing something, while the latter is the direct result of something. In most cases, at least.

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PmpDaddyRobFord said:

see it more in Asian news, some guy was at a computer cafe on a 3 day no sleep gaming binge and died, and few other stories tho does seem to often have gaming about it. prolly something about stress on the brain in which case consuming a bunch of coffee could do because of caffeine.
few years ago some kid thought it be cool to order caffeine in liquid form, took a table spoon and died

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KingKoopa said:

I refuse to believe you went 72 hours with no sleep and "felt fine"

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KingKoopa said:

I refuse to believe you went 72 hours with no sleep and "felt fine"

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paulprince3730 said:

This, dude probably looked like **** and wasn't functional but felt fine

I had a co worker who worked doubles all the time and kept sayin he was Gucci but kept ****** up and looked like he was 38 but is only 22

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Dreamer23 said:

a transgender holds the powerlifting total world record


In regard to combined (squat, bench press, and deadlift) powerlifting total, Kroc currently holds the male world record in the 220 lb. weight class with 2,551 lbs, and the fifth highest total for the 242 lb. male weight class.

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KingKoopa said:

Why not just fake it for the perks?

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blackngold1z said:

Same boat. I want to be a mason but im an atheist. I coukd lie, but why start a relationship off on the wrong foot.

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paulprince3730 said:

 

Dreamer23 said:

a transgender holds the powerlifting total world record


In regard to combined (squat, bench press, and deadlift) powerlifting total, Kroc currently holds the male world record in the 220 lb. weight class with 2,551 lbs, and the fifth highest total for the 242 lb. male weight class.

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She cute, they a couple?

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PmpDaddyRobFord said:

no the idea for Kruger was some paranoid Asian dude kept telling his family that if he slept he would die, so he drank coffee and stayed up for days. finally his family had enough, took all that away so he could sleep and then he died.

but obviously from exhaustion for staying up for days(you can die just from 3 days without sleep)

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