Peter Rosenberg says Jay-Z is riding Kanye West's Coattails & gets checked by Jay

Magic1978 said:
So rappers weren't emotionally vulnerable before?

DMX? Tupac? Biggie?

My God, Ja Rule was on some love tip crying in videos.

Come on dude

Some of you must have a limited knowledge of rap.

I already discussed the lane that Kanye opened up as far as a perception and marketing standpoint, but emotionally vulnerable
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Next dudes are going to say Kanye brought soul samples to rap.
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Ya Tupac and DMX were "emotional" about things that were cool to be emotional about. Teenage pregnancy. Loved ones lost to homicides. These are all glamorous things to be emotional about. 

Kanye? Being insecure about his appearance? Realizing that working at The Gap was beneath him? Struggling with balancing materialism and success?  How is any of that cool? Glamorous? Face it, before Kanye, the only emotion you could show in Hip Hop was when your homie got capped or when Brenda had a baby.......hood co sign things.....you couldn't show any sensitivity or emotion or vulnerability to the common things that common men go through while maturing.....

And the amazing thing is Kanye had no PR person telling him what to do. He had no producer telling him what kind of content to make. He did it all.
 
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King Milaac said:
Ya Tupac and DMX were "emotional" about things that were cool to be emotional about. Teenage pregnancy. Loved ones lost to homicides. These are all glamorous things to be emotional about. 

Kanye? Being insecure about his appearance? Realizing that working at The Gap was beneath him? Struggling with balancing materialism and success?  How is any of that cool? Glamorous? 

And the amazing thing is Kanye had no PR person telling him what to do. He had no producer telling him what kind of content to make. He did it all.
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Emotional about things that were cool :rofl:

He did it all himself? You Kanye stans are something else. :rofl:
 
GInfante said:
Keep listening to Jay and his comfort zone music, my bad ya'll
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So Jays latest freestyle you consider 'Comfort music'

You see the avi, I still think jay defecates all over ye

I might even say MCHG defecates all over yeezus

And yes Yeezus did have promotion, he did that city wide movie projections on walls stunt
 
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Magic1978 said:
Emotional about things that were cool
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He did it all himself? You Kanye stans are something else.
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Most, not all rappers, have A&R dudes come bring them beats. Then they rap. Then they have their label budget a video. Then they have their label push it to the DJs in the club.

Take Jesus Walks for example. There was no A&R. Kanye made the beat. I'll be the first to admit Kanye isn't an elite rapper, and I'm sure he had help with the lyrics. But......Kanye pushed the whole Jesus Walks movement. A song about Jesus 10 years ago? No Hip Hop label is investing a penny in that. Kanye pushes the video. Shoots mulitple videos. DJs feel the movement so much that they PLAY the song about jesus in the clubs. 

That's the difference between Kanye and your typical rapper. 
 
King Milaac said:
Most, not all rappers, have A&R dudes come bring them beats. Then they rap. Then they have their label budget a video. Then they have their label push it to the DJs in the club.

Take Jesus Walks for example. There was no A&R. Kanye made the beat. I'll be the first to admit Kanye isn't an elite rapper, and I'm sure he had help with the lyrics. But......Kanye pushed the whole Jesus Walks movement. A song about Jesus 10 years ago? No Hip Hop label is investing a penny in that. Kanye pushes the video. Shoots mulitple videos. DJs feel the movement so much that they PLAY the song about jesus in the clubs. 

That's the difference between Kanye and your typical rapper. 
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Dude, Doug E Fresh made a song about God damn near 30 years ago.

There was no A&R? What?

And no, not all A&R's bring beats. A lot of times the artist does. Heck back in the 80's and early 90's the artist damn near was the A&R and producer. It's not unusual. Listen to the story of how Jay-Z brought a sample to 9th Wonder and asked him to make something out of that.

And labels push a DJ and radio stations to play a song, not the artist.

Kayne made BET play his video :lol: He called up Stephen Hill, huh :lol:

And you do know he borrowed the whole damn concept from Rhymesfest.

Please stop
 
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Magic1978 said:
So rappers weren't emotionally vulnerable before?

DMX? Tupac? Biggie?

My God, Ja Rule was on some love tip crying in videos.

Come on dude

Some of you must have a limited knowledge of rap.

I already discussed the lane that Kanye opened up as far as a perception and marketing standpoint, but emotionally vulnerable
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Next dudes are going to say Kanye brought soul samples to rap.
laugh.gif
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Ya Tupac and DMX were "emotional" about things that were cool to be emotional about. Teenage pregnancy. Loved ones lost to homicides. These are all glamorous things to be emotional about. 

Kanye? Being insecure about his appearance? Realizing that working at The Gap was beneath him? Struggling with balancing materialism and success?  How is any of that cool? Glamorous? Face it, before Kanye, the only emotion you could show in Hip Hop was when your homie got capped or when Brenda had a baby.......hood co sign things.....you couldn't show any sensitivity or emotion or vulnerability to the common things that common men go through while maturing.....

And the amazing thing is Kanye had no PR person telling him what to do. He had no producer telling him what kind of content to make. He did it all.
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You Kanye enthusiasts are something else. 
 
Deuce King said:
King Milaac said:
 
Magic1978 said:
So rappers weren't emotionally vulnerable before?


DMX? Tupac? Biggie?


My God, Ja Rule was on some love tip crying in videos.


Come on dude


Some of you must have a limited knowledge of rap.


I already discussed the lane that Kanye opened up as far as a perception and marketing standpoint, but emotionally vulnerable :lol:


Next dudes are going to say Kanye brought soul samples to rap. :lol:
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Ya Tupac and DMX were "emotional" about things that were cool to be emotional about. Teenage pregnancy. Loved ones lost to homicides. These are all glamorous things to be emotional about. 

Kanye? Being insecure about his appearance? Realizing that working at The Gap was beneath him? Struggling with balancing materialism and success?  How is any of that cool? Glamorous? Face it, before Kanye, the only emotion you could show in Hip Hop was when your homie got capped or when Brenda had a baby.......hood co sign things.....you couldn't show any sensitivity or emotion or vulnerability to the common things that common men go through while maturing.....

And the amazing thing is Kanye had no PR person telling him what to do. He had no producer telling him what kind of content to make. He did it all.
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:rofl: :rofl: You Kanye enthusiasts are something else. 
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:lol: man wheres @illphillip to make sense of this :lol:
 
Oh ok. I get it now. Unless you lived Kanye's life, you wasn't emotional in your songs.




Its all coming to me now.



Because people don't come from different corners of life. Since DMX grew up in the hood, and Kanye went on trips to china, DMX's emotions weren't real because he wasn't a kid from the burbs.

He doesn't know what its like to be self conscious about his clothes and about his girl leaving him.
 
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PRIME said:
Oh ok. I get it now. Unless you lived Kanye's life, you wasn't emotional in your songs.




Its all coming to me now.



Because people don't come from different corners of life. Since DMX grew up in the hood, and Kanye went on trips to china, DMX's emotions weren't real because he wasn't a kid from the burbs.

He doesn't know what its like to be self conscious about his clothes and about his girl leaving him.
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exactly :smokin
 
PRIME said:
Oh ok. I get it now. Unless you lived Kanye's life, you wasn't emotional in your songs.




Its all coming to me now.



Because people don't come from different corners of life. Since DMX grew up in the hood, and Kanye went on trips to china, DMX's emotions weren't real because he wasn't a kid from the burbs.

He doesn't know what its like to be self conscious about his clothes and about his girl leaving him.
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I wasn't discrediting DMX at all. I was saying that the music industry (record labels) and music listeners were not ready for emotional rappers who were vulnerable about normal things. All power to DMX and tupac for saying what they had to say, and music labels were ready to support and invest in that and people were ready to buy their albums for it.....but until Kanye nobody was ready for a emotionally vulnerable rapper who was insecure........and now? The biggest rap artist of the new generation is Drake. What does that tell you?
 
Ya Tupac and DMX were "emotional" about things that were cool to be emotional about. Teenage pregnancy. Loved ones lost to homicides. These are all glamorous things to be emotional about. 

Kanye? Being insecure about his appearance? Realizing that working at The Gap was beneath him? Struggling with balancing materialism and success?  How is any of that cool? Glamorous? Face it, before Kanye, the only emotion you could show in Hip Hop was when your homie got capped or when Brenda had a baby.......hood co sign things.....you couldn't show any sensitivity or emotion or vulnerability to the common things that common men go through while maturing.....

And the amazing thing is Kanye had no PR person telling him what to do. He had no producer telling him what kind of content to make. He did it all.
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King Milaac said:
Boundaries? Being a vulnerable artist. There was a clear distinction between rap/hip hop before and after Kanye West. Before Kanye, Rap was either/or. You were either street/hood or backpacker. You were either Jay Z/2pac or Tribe Called Quest. Both of these groups were "cool" in their own ways. 

Kanye came in with an emotionally vulnerable record with the College Dropout at a commercial level. He made songs about being insecure, he made songs about being egotistical and materialistic, he made songs bout taking baths with his cousin, he made songs about working retail at the Mall.......these are all things that are NOT cool, not smooth, not slick. He was putting himself out there, his emotions and insecurities, all out there on record, being emotional was not cool in an "alpha" type scene like rap back in the 90's. 

After Kanye broke that barrier, it paved the way for an artist like Drake to put out his simp records. It paved the way for an artist like Kid Cudi to make a record about being a loner/depressed. It made vulnerable/emotional rap OK. If you're old enough, try to think back to the 90's and imagine a Drake putting out his simp songs, it wouldn't happen. 
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+1
But I also think that eminem and Andre 3000 brought that vulnebrality to the game before Kanye.
 
King Milaac said:
 
PRIME said:
Oh ok. I get it now. Unless you lived Kanye's life, you wasn't emotional in your songs.




Its all coming to me now.



Because people don't come from different corners of life. Since DMX grew up in the hood, and Kanye went on trips to china, DMX's emotions weren't real because he wasn't a kid from the burbs.

He doesn't know what its like to be self conscious about his clothes and about his girl leaving him.
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I wasn't discrediting DMX at all. I was saying that the music industry (record labels) and music listeners were not ready for emotional rappers who were vulnerable about normal things. All power to DMX and tupac for saying what they had to say, and music labels were ready to support and invest in that and people were ready to buy their albums for it.....but until Kanye nobody was ready for a emotionally vulnerable rapper who was insecure........and now? The biggest rap artist of the new generation is Drake. What does that tell you?
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That Kanye help usher in the downfall or the downward period of rap. 
 
black album came out in '03
looks like Hov really does have a one-hot-album-every-10-year average (American Gangster)
 
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