Fast food workers protest for $15 minimum wage.

boxer15 · May 20, 2014

4318MichaelJohnson4318 said:
So wait people who work fast food dont have motivation and determination? Is that why you really believe poverty exists? Are you happy that your mom is 65 and cant retire? I would be pretty upset if my mother was 65 and still has to work. If your mother was so motivated and determined why are her other counterparts able to not work and she has to? If you dont realize it Americans already support its people. Public school systems is support, railroads are support, public infrastructure is support. You are blind to think you are living off of everything you earned money and paid for.

How can you be so motivated to protest for more money in a job you don't want but not try to leave it behind for something better?

Did I say I was happy about my mom working? No. My mom took a hit when the real estate market crashed and subsequently her retirement investments took a hit. Should I protest to get her paid back in full? My mom has the motivation and the education and she actually enjoys her job, so don't jump to conclusions.

You listed all the things my tax dollars pay for, so yeah I do pay for those things. Taxes paying for the items you list is different than paying the difference between a fast food workers wage and my wage out of my own pocket.

Again, living within your means is something most Americans no longer know how to do.

bilboshmangins said:
No! the employer is required to legally match the minimum wage. Some customers are required to tip, regardless of their willingness.

if its so much harder to work as a waiter, why not leave and become a fast food worker with a guaranteed minimum wage?

Customers with large parties are required to tip based on the expected additional service necessary. Pretty sure if service was terrible you could talk to a manager and have that removed.

You keep flipping my words around instead of making a valid point. Why neither leaves for the other position is up to them, I don't care. If you're not happy with your pay that's on you.

moonshoes08 · May 20, 2014

JohnnyRedStorm said:
fast food workers should be protesting rising inflation and how lousy our education and preparation system is. these wage increases will lead to more automation and job cuts.

computers have been popular since the late 80s and it's despicable that coding hasn't been taught in schools. raising mininum wage is meaningless in the grand scheme of things. that 15 bucks will be worth the 7 they're getting now in a few years.

Right on the money.... Automation has already begun its replacement of jobs that require menial tasks. If we are going to raise wages, we also need to decrease cost of living and stop printing so much money.

WASHED KING · May 20, 2014

I know everyone's situation is different and what not. But I really don't think anyone can live comfortably off working at a fast food establishmentntnt. But if that's your career that means you have no intention of progressing on to a better profession, that's your ceiling.

tay1 · May 20, 2014

MichaelN30 said:
I know everyone's situation is different and what not. But I really don't think anyone can live comfortably off working at a fast food establishmentntnt. But if that's your career that means you have no intention of progressing on to a better profession, that's your ceiling.

how many people you know wanna have working at Mcdonalds as a career?

WASHED KING · May 20, 2014

-___-...that was the point of my original post.

WASHED KING · May 20, 2014

This is really a result of people growing up in the "participation" generation. Where they reward kids for doing the bare minimum. And then when they grow up and do the bare minimum. They expect to get the same as others, if you want more work for more.

linus vp · May 20, 2014

Our labor force participation is around 1970s levels, while we have a population of nearly 100 million more people. Median household income is flat or down, but groceries and heating oil have been creeping up for awhile. We have more than a trillion dollars in student loan debt. Income (and even moreso, wealth) inequality is looking like the 1920s. Around 50 million people are on food stamps, many of whom are the working poor. Record numbers of college grads and young adults are living at home. All the while we are pumping billions into the system and keeping interest rates low....and everyone's answer is go to college, be less lazy, and don't treat flipping burgers like a career.

Everyone keeps saying don't have kids...a lot of these people had decent jobs and/or went to college, and their lives get turned upside down by a job loss or some unexpected event. What then? Work 2 jobs! Yeah, that's great for the children having both parents working 2 part-time jobs.

tay1 · May 20, 2014

MichaelN30 said:
This is really a result of people growing up in the "participation" generation. Where they reward kids for doing the bare minimum. And then when they grow up and do the bare minimum. They expect to get the same as others, if you want more work for more.

Is that why there's grown people older than most of us here protesting or what?

tay1 · May 20, 2014

Linus VP said:
Our labor force participation is around 1970s levels, while we have a population of nearly 100 million more people. Median household income is flat or down, but groceries and heating oil have been creeping up for awhile. We have more than a trillion dollars in student loan debt. Income (and even moreso, wealth) inequality is looking like the 1920s. Around 50 million people are on food stamps, many of whom are the working poor. Record numbers of college grads and young adults are living at home. All the while we are pumping billions into the system and keeping interest rates low....and everyone's answer is go to college, be less lazy, and don't treat flipping burgers like a career.

Everyone keeps saying don't have kids...a lot of these people had decent jobs and/or went to college, and their lives get turned upside down by a job loss or some unexpected event. What then? Work 2 jobs! Yeah, that's great for the children having both parents working 2 part-time jobs.

linus vp · May 20, 2014

MichaelN30 said:
This is really a result of people growing up in the "participation" generation. Where they reward kids for doing the bare minimum. And then when they grow up and do the bare minimum. They expect to get the same as others, if you want more work for more.

That generation is the kids born in the 1990s though. I agree that a lot of those people aren't well-equipped to deal with stress or adversity....but I think this affects a lot more people than those people 24 and under. The problem is that these jobs should be for teens looking to work 15 hours per week in the summer, but instead they are a bunch of adults trying to feed their families. We were a country based on the middle class and production, and we have shifted to a country growing 30 hour per week service/retail jobs with crazy trade deficits. I just think this is a lot "bigger" than the few lazy people that we all know.

tay1 · May 20, 2014

Linus VP said:
That generation is the kids born in the 1990s though. I agree that a lot of those people aren't well-equipped to deal with stress or adversity....but I think this affects a lot more people than those people 24 and under. The problem is that these jobs should be for teens looking to work 15 hours per week in the summer, but instead they are a bunch of adults trying to feed their families. We were a country based on the middle class and production, and we have shifted to a country growing 30 hour per week service/retail jobs with crazy trade deficits. I just think this is a lot "bigger" than the few lazy people that we all know.

Exactly. This is the problem. We don't live in that world in which part time jobs are just for kids and those who need a little extra money. There's lots of folks out here relying on that to live. Not because they're lazy, uneducated and don't have skills. There's way more part time out their than full time, and companies are hiring less as is.

bilboshmangins · May 20, 2014

tay1 said:
Linus VP said:

That generation is the kids born in the 1990s though. I agree that a lot of those people aren't well-equipped to deal with stress or adversity....but I think this affects a lot more people than those people 24 and under. The problem is that these jobs should be for teens looking to work 15 hours per week in the summer, but instead they are a bunch of adults trying to feed their families. We were a country based on the middle class and production, and we have shifted to a country growing 30 hour per week service/retail jobs with crazy trade deficits. I just think this is a lot "bigger" than the few lazy people that we all know.

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Exactly. This is the problem. We don't live in that world in which part time jobs are just for kids and those who need a little extra money. There's lots of folks out here relying on that to live. Not because they're lazy, uneducated and don't have skills. There's way more part time out their than full time, and companies are hiring less as is.

people dont get this.

An economy that is shifting from industries that produce tens of thousands of jobs to one that churns out only a few thousand jobs.

Twitter went public to all sorts of rave reviews and acclaim, but guess how many jobs it produces 3,000; and some might even argue what the true utility of the service is. Whereas decades ago HP or dell opened shop and eventually allowed for a combined 400,000 jobs.

The market is rewarding ******** and everyone else is paying for it.

America is essentially outsourcing it's future and building nothing of any particular consequence.

tay1 · May 20, 2014

bilboshmangins said:
people dont get this.

An economy that is shifting from industries that produce tens of thousands of jobs to one that churns out only a few thousand jobs.

Twitter went public to all sorts of rave reviews and acclaim, but guess how many jobs it produces 3,000; and some might even argue what the true utility of the service is. Whereas decades ago HP or dell opened shop and eventually allowed for a combined 400,000 jobs.

The market is rewarding ******** and everyone else is paying for it.

America is essentially outsourcing it's future and building nothing of any particular consequence.

Pretty much. From how it's going, it doesn't seem like it's gonna get better anytime soon.

boxer15 · May 20, 2014

bilboshmangins said:
people dont get this.

An economy that is shifting from industries that produce tens of thousands of jobs to one that churns out only a few thousand jobs.

Twitter went public to all sorts of rave reviews and acclaim, but guess how many jobs it produces 3,000; and some might even argue what the true utility of the service is. Whereas decades ago HP or dell opened shop and eventually allowed for a combined 400,000 jobs.

The market is rewarding ******** and everyone else is paying for it.

America is essentially outsourcing it's future and building nothing of any particular consequence.

What about the new jobs that have been created through all industries as a result of social media? You can argue that Twitter has 3000 employees, but tons of companies have opened positions for social media managers due to the explosion of social media.

What kind of jobs do you believe should be created to fix the problem? You can't honestly believe paying unskilled laborers will fix anything.

bilboshmangins · May 20, 2014

That's bs. Twitter is not responsibl

boxer15 said:
bilboshmangins said:

people dont get this.

An economy that is shifting from industries that produce tens of thousands of jobs to one that churns out only a few thousand jobs.

Twitter went public to all sorts of rave reviews and acclaim, but guess how many jobs it produces 3,000; and some might even argue what the true utility of the service is. Whereas decades ago HP or dell opened shop and eventually allowed for a combined 400,000 jobs.

The market is rewarding ******** and everyone else is paying for it.

America is essentially outsourcing it's future and building nothing of any particular consequence.

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What about the new jobs that have been created through all industries as a result of social media? You can argue that Twitter has 3000 employees, but tons of companies have opened positions for social media managers due to the explosion of social media.

What kind of jobs do you believe should be created to fix the problem? You can't honestly believe paying unskilled laborers will fix anything.

I don't think those jobs have been created as much as marketing departments have added that to their strategy. I personally think that social media is overrated in a business sense, thus why they are still trying to figure out how to build a sustainable revenue model for it.

Create sustainable jobs, jobs that add to the persons skill set as much as the person brings a skill set to the job. These are the type of jobs that aren't being created.

durantula · May 20, 2014

Why would anyone pay someone 15 an hour, to do a job that somebody else will do for 8 an hour? At the end of a day it's a business, peoples current dilemmas are not the businesses fault. Which goes back to the unskilled thing, any 16 year old can do the job, so if you want more money, use that experience, and look for a better job.

bilboshmangins · May 20, 2014

durantula said:
Why would anyone pay someone 15 an hour, to do a job that somebody else will do for 8 an hour? At the end of a day it's a business, peoples current dilemmas are not the businesses fault. Which goes back to the unskilled thing, any 16 year old can do the job, so if you want more money, use that experience, and look for a better job.

but you still tip though?

tay1 · May 20, 2014

boxer15 said:
What about the new jobs that have been created through all industries as a result of social media? You can argue that Twitter has 3000 employees, but tons of companies have opened positions for social media managers due to the explosion of social media.

What kind of jobs do you believe should be created to fix the problem? You can't honestly believe paying unskilled laborers will fix anything.

more manufacturing jobs

datznasty · May 20, 2014

tay1 said:
boxer15 said:

What about the new jobs that have been created through all industries as a result of social media? You can argue that Twitter has 3000 employees, but tons of companies have opened positions for social media managers due to the explosion of social media.

What kind of jobs do you believe should be created to fix the problem? You can't honestly believe paying unskilled laborers will fix anything.

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more manufacturing jobs

in the US, while raising the minimum wage? Good luck with that when 3rd country workers will do it for 1$ an hour and work 16 hr days

boxer15 · May 20, 2014

bilboshmangins said:
Create sustainable jobs, jobs that add to the persons skill set as much as the person brings a skill set to the job. These are the type of jobs that aren't being created.

tay1 said:
more manufacturing jobs

So then neither of you actually believe fast food workers should get that huge wage increase, right?

If that were to happen, nobody will be worried about developing a skill to improve their lives since fast food would pay enough.

People don't care about putting in work anymore. A couple of my friends in Australia make bank in trades, one being a plumber and the other a carpenter, but during their apprenticeships they didn't make squat. People here don't want to put in that work anymore.

yeah · May 20, 2014

DatZNasty said:
in the US, while raising the minimum wage? Good luck with that when 3rd country workers will do it for 1$ an hour and work 16 hr days

In some cases, it can be cheaper for companies to manufacture here. They might only have to pay the workers $1 a day, but with the costs of transporting goods, trading tariffs, customs fees, and the price of maintenance... Its not that big of a difference. http://mobile.businessweek.com/arti...t-as-cheap-to-make-goods-in-the-u-dot-s-dot-a

I don't believe that a reasonable increase to the min wage would change that, seeing how many manufacturing jobs in the US already pay above min wage.

tay1 · May 20, 2014

boxer15 said:
So then neither of you actually believe fast food workers should get that huge wage increase, right?

If that were to happen, nobody will be worried about developing a skill to improve their lives since fast food would pay enough.

People don't care about putting in work anymore. A couple of my friends in Australia make bank in trades, one being a plumber and the other a carpenter, but during their apprenticeships they didn't make squat. People here don't want to put in that work anymore.

You know everybody here? Because if you dont, thats a pretty big generalization bruh. There's more than one solution to this. You asked what kind of jobs need to be created, and I gave you an answer. What you flipped it into has nothing to do with my answer.

blastercombo · May 20, 2014

Linus VP said:
That generation is the kids born in the 1990s though. I agree that a lot of those people aren't well-equipped to deal with stress or adversity....but I think this affects a lot more people than those people 24 and under. The problem is that these jobs should be for teens looking to work 15 hours per week in the summer, but instead they are a bunch of adults trying to feed their families. We were a country based on the middle class and production, and we have shifted to a country growing 30 hour per week service/retail jobs with crazy trade deficits. I just think this is a lot "bigger" than the few lazy people that we all know.

You'er gonna sit here and say what type of people should work where now? :lol:

andycrazn · May 20, 2014

Yeah said:
DatZNasty said:

in the US, while raising the minimum wage? Good luck with that when 3rd country workers will do it for 1$ an hour and work 16 hr days

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In some cases, it can be cheaper for companies to manufacture here. They might only have to pay the workers $1 a day, but with the costs of transporting goods, trading tariffs, customs fees, and the price of maintenance... Its not that big of a difference. http://mobile.businessweek.com/arti...t-as-cheap-to-make-goods-in-the-u-dot-s-dot-a

I don't believe that a reasonable increase to the min wage would change that, seeing how many manufacturing jobs in the US already pay above min wage.

its too late, our infrastructure went down the hole. it will take time for us to even match the production levels we got going for china. not only that, we got serious regulations to deal with.

linus vp · May 20, 2014

BLASTERCOMBO said:
You'er gonna sit here and say what type of people should work where now?

Maybe I was misunderstood...but I 100% support anyone working anywhere, especially those working low-wage retail and service jobs.

My point was that minimum wage jobs weren't originally meant for adults to raise their families...but now it is the only option for a lot of people, even college grads. Not sure what you are disagreeing with specifically? I feel every person willing to work should be able to raise a family.

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