NFL Discussion Thread: Pats win SB XLIX. Offseason begins

[moe200069]

Really? Luck was a bad pick than?

luck and the colts might be the exception, rather than the rule.

 

[raider5]

parktheCarr

He threw Moore under the bus vs New England.
Threw Homes under the bus vs San Diego.

Now our "classy" QB is throwing DMac under the bus for another of his bone headed plays.

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Q: What happened on the pass to Khalif Barnes (left tackle)?

Carr:“On that play, that’s right where ‘D-Mac’ [Darren McFadden]’s check-down should be, so if you see my eyes are looking to the left and obviously I’m not looking at the rush, so I go to throw it, it wasn’t there. So, I felt obviously the pressure coming, tucked the ball to protect it and then all of a sudden I just saw out of the corner of my eye, this guy standing by himself, facing me, and so I obviously assumed in my head that it was ‘D-Mac’, so I turned to go throw it and in my head as soon as I threw it, I was like, ‘Please knock it down.’ That’s just one of those things. It’s happened to me in high school, it’s happened in college. It’s just one of those thing, you know where your guy’s at, you react. Everything is happening so fast. It’s just one of those things. Obviously, where we’re at right now, it just looks ugly, but it’s just one of those things that happens.”

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The game is too fast for this kid.
He cant throw more than 5yds per play and panics when he feels the rush.
He reminds me of Matt Leinart

 I don't get how he's "throwing DMac under the bus" in that article...

 

[cedric ceballos]

It depends if the team develops the quarterback properly.

Can't miss for sure thing guys like Peyton and Luck come around once every 10 years or so.

Its a few guys like Ryan leaf, and Jamarcus Russell who even if they had the proper coaching and talent around them, would still be busts.

Alot of other guys, it all falls on situation, and how they were developed. Its alot of qb's, ill use David Carr as an example, the potential and talent was there, was put in a situation early with an expansion team with minimal talent, he got sacked a record number of times his first few seasons, and his growth was stunted a bunch by how he was developed. Its alot of qb's like him who could've had better careers if the situation around them, coaching, o line, offensive talent etc was better.

Aaron Rodgers would probably still be aaron rodgers, but imagine him thrown into the fire on say, a team that sucked on both sides of the ball like the 05 49ers, you could see how situation could potentially stunt a young qb's growth.

 

[Chester McFloppy]

IAaron Rodgers would probably still be aaron rodgers, but imagine him thrown into the fire on say, a team that sucked on both sides of the ball like the 05 49ers, you could see how situation could potentially stunt a young qb's growth.

With his frail little body, dude would have ended up like Sam Bradford.

 

[rillo561]

Really? Luck was a bad pick than?

These guys aren't a luck

 

[illoquent aka dsk]

Dudes always fall in love with these hyped prospects, can't say anyone is better than another when they are playing on Saturday. Can't root for my team to lose either.

People still fallin for that Saturday hype.

Taking a QB early is a no no.

I remember the "clown texans fan" begging for teddy to be their #1 last year.

Better off building up other positions.

 

[sohi 23]

I agree that Derek Carr has struggled majorly in his past 2 weeks.

On the other hand, Greg Olson has to be the worst offensive coordinator in the league. Plus our wr core is bottom 5 at best.
& We're one of the worst running teams in history. The blame should go everywhere but you can't really judge the guy until you give him a competent OC, receivers and an actual NFL running game.

 

[IATT]

Taking a QB early is a no no.

peyton went no. 1 overall in '98

Andrew luck went no.1 overall

big ben went 11th overall.. ditto cutler

Rodgers went in the 1st

joe flacco went 18th

eli (two time champion) went 1st overall

Philip rivers went 4th

matt ryan went 3rd

cam went no.1

matt Stafford went no.1

then you got rg3 and tannehill

drew brees went in the 2nd round.. so did keep.. also dalton

then you got alex smith and carson palmer

and please dear lord baby jesus let sanchez play well so I can add him to the above list (since he went top 10)

 

[Bobby Layne]

@ttwentyman
Caldwell said Larry Warford is going to be out for a bit with that knee injury.

at least its not season ending 

 

[ajiiiplatinum]

I agree that Derek Carr has struggled majorly in his past 2 weeks.

On the other hand, Greg Olson has to be the worst offensive coordinator in the league. Plus our wr core is bottom 5 at best.
& We're one of the worst running teams in history. The blame should go everywhere but you can't really judge the guy until you give him a competent OC, receivers and an actual NFL running game.

Olsen is not a genius but McGloin and Josh Freeman looked like servicable rookies with him.

Carr is just a joke.

He has guys running open but he doesnt see them. It was obvious to those of us who have been to a live Raider game and can see the field. The NFL Network guys were the first to point this out. He does 1 and at best two reads and then just bails to his safety valve (his left tackle yesterday)

 

[ajiiiplatinum]

Waits for Jumpmanfromthebay and Zube (Carr's Cousins)
To come in and attack McGloin, Olsen, the online, the running game, the coaches, and the fans for Carr's performance.

 

[sohi 23]

Before you say he only throws 5 yard passes (which I agree with) how many routes are we even running past 10 yards? Now out of those routes, which of those receivers are getting open? We. Don't. Have. Playmakers.

 

[kingkoopa]

Really? Luck was a bad pick than?

peyton went no. 1 overall in '98

Andrew luck went no.1 overall

big ben went 11th overall.. ditto cutler

Rodgers went in the 1st

joe flacco went 18th

eli (two time champion) went 1st overall

Philip rivers went 4th

matt ryan went 3rd

cam went no.1

matt Stafford went no.1

drew brees went in the 2nd round.. so did keep

Some are exceptions. But very very rare.

And I wouldn't consider some of these early picks.

Arod went like 24th, Brees and Kaep weren't early pucks either.

In the last 20 years I probably could name you double the bust on QBs drafted top 10.

And if they aren't great, they'll set your franchise back 5-10 years.

 

[IATT]

any 1st or 2nd round pick is considered an 'early' round pick

the only currently starting QBs not taken in the 1st or 2nd rounds:

tom brady

tony romo

Russell Wilson

kyle orton

brian hoyer

Austin davis

Zach mettenberger

ryan mallett

 

[Chester McFloppy]

QBs drafted in the first round:
2014 - Bortles, Manziel, Bridgewater
2013 - Manuel
2012 - Luck, RGIII, Tannehill, Weeden
2011 - Newton, Locker, Gabbert, Ponder
2010 - Bradford, Tebow
2009 - Stafford, Sanchez, Freeman
2008 - Ryan, Flacco
2007 - Russell, Quinn
2006 - Young, Leinart, Cutler
2005 - Smith, Rodgers, Campbell
2004 - Eli, Rivers, Roethlisberger, Losman
2003 - Cutler, Leftwich, Boller, Grossman
2002 - Carr, Harrington, Ramsey
2001 - Vick
2000 - Pennington
1999 - Couch, McNabb, Smith, Culpepper, McNown
1998 - Peyton, Leaf
1997 - Druckenmiller
1996 - (none)
1995 - McNair, Collins
1994 - Shuler, Dilfer

 

[IATT]

And if they aren't great, they'll set your franchise back 5-10 years.

not anymore.. under the old system, yes.. but with the new rookie pay scale, you are better off getting a young guy for relatively cheap

 

[kingkoopa]

Says who?

Early round is top 10 imo.

I dont think anyone considers Dalton an early rounder nir Rodgers hints the chip on his shoulder.

 

[ice city fc]

Now that ajiiiplatinum is copy and pasting his nonsensical garbage in multiple general NFL threads and not just the Raider season thread, it's only a matter of time before the rest of ST realizes dude has the mental capacity of a child. It has nothing to do with his opinions, it's the way he utterly fails to present them, scrambling to connect dots that aren't there.


Carr, a rookie QB had his first outright horrible performance of the season, 9 games in. Bench him now.

 

[nako xl]

Dudes always fall in love with these hyped prospects, can't say anyone is better than another when they are playing on Saturday. Can't root for my team to lose either.

 

Dudes always fall in love with these hyped prospects, can't say anyone is better than another when they are playing on Saturday. Can't root for my team to lose either.

People still fallin for that Saturday hype.

Taking a QB early is a no no.

I remember the "clown texans fan" begging for teddy to be their #1 last year.

Better off building up other positions.

Huh? How many games every sunday are lost just at the QB position?

At the end of the day the QB is the engine that makes the team go. An elite QB is infinitely more valuable than an elite player at any other position. If you have a chance to grab one you grab one.

Put a decent QB on the Buccaneers and they'd have 3-4 more wins at this point in the season.

 

[fraij da 5 11]

Packers Coaching staff been trying to play Clay at a new type of hybrid role for a year or 2 now... But I think they found the right one last night.

Any of yall pay attention to his positioning on defense past what Collinsworth had to say about it?

Can't wait to see what it looks like with Chip Kelly getting to look at last nights tape all week.

 

[stillin729]

QBs drafted in the first round:
2014 - Bortles, Manziel, Bridgewater
2013 - Manuel
2012 - Luck, RGIII, Tannehill, Weeden
2011 - Newton, Locker, Gabbert, Ponder
2010 - Bradford, Tebow
2009 - Stafford, Sanchez, Freeman
2008 - Ryan, Flacco
2007 - Russell, Quinn
2006 - Young, Leinart, Cutler
2005 - Smith, Rodgers, Campbell
2004 - Eli, Rivers, Roethlisberger, Losman
2003 - Cutler, Leftwich, Boller, Grossman
2002 - Carr, Harrington, Ramsey
2001 - Vick
2000 - Pennington
1999 - Couch, McNabb, Smith, Culpepper, McNown
1998 - Peyton, Leaf
1997 - Druckenmiller
1996 - (none)
1995 - McNair, Collins
1994 - Shuler, Dilfer

I see a few all pro caliber QB's in there McNabb, McNair, Rivers, Eli, Sanchez, Newtown, Luck, Peyton, Ben

 

[IATT]

Says who?

Early round is top 10 imo.

I dont think anyone considers Dalton an early rounder nir Rodgers hints the chip on his shoulder.

says anyone who watches or participates in the draft..

2nd round picks are not only expected to make the team, but to be major contributors.. of all the players available you are going in the top 60

 

[kingkoopa]

Huh? How many games every sunday are lost just at the QB position?

At the end of the day the QB is the engine that makes the team go. An elite QB is infinitely more valuable than an elite player at any other position. If you have a chance to grab one you grab one.

Put a decent QB on the Buccaneers and they'd have 3-4 more wins at this point in the season.

Yes, but a bust at the QB position will hurt far more then a bust at OL.

 

[IATT]

Yes, but a bust at the QB position will hurt far more then a bust at OL.

yes, when you had to pay these guys jamarcus or Bradford money.. but that is no longer the case

or if you trade away a ton, like the Washington professional football team

but this isn't just the case for QBs, see the impact the raiders missing on a ton of early picks under the old pay scale had on the franchise

 

[rillo561]

I see a few all pro caliber QB's in there McNabb, McNair, Rivers, Eli, Sanchez, Newtown, Luck, Peyton, Ben

I see what you did there....good luck.