PALESTINIAN GENOCIDE - ISRAELI-TERRORISM AWARENESS THREAD

[bravelude]

Is Al Jazeera a credible news source?

http://www.algemeiner.com/2014/07/2...analysis-confirms-israel-tageting-combatants/

I dont think it matters. Like I asked, are you supposed to just target a particular pool in warfare? Are you supposed pinpoint missles towards just the combatants?

 

[me love nutella]

I unserstand the anger and hatred that the Palestinian people feel. I undrsyabd the anger and hatred that lead to car bombings, suicide bombings, and other stuff that goes on in the world.

I'm merely asking, what is Hamas' (being the dominant political party in Palestine) tactical/strategic/political goals for their military actions?

Are you telling me there is no goal? They are just expressing anger at the situation? They don't actually have a plan?

I laid it out to you. Their strategic means is to fire rockets to entice Israel to pressure them to end the siege, open the borders, release prisoners, etc. Indirectly aimed at Egypt too to get them to open their borders and gave the future day from Qatar transferred through to them.

Not sure if that's what you asked. But clarify to me again what exactly you're asking.

 

[firmeporvida]

So all flights from the US to Israel are stopped because of rockets flying over from Hamas into Tel Aviv, landing near the airport.

The EU is condemning Hamas for the use of civilians as human shields and rockets continuously flying into Israel to harm civilians.

It's all Israels fault though. Maybe they should put down their weapons and see where that leads them.

Can somebody please tell me what Israel should do rockets are flying into their cities? Should they just take it?

You keep asking the same question and members keep giving you same answer - how many more times are you going to ask. In addition, Israel in not just taking it - they have a multibillion dollar defense system that American taxpayers paid for.

Also, you keep bringing up the human shields' allegation, but not citing any credible, unbiased sources.

 

[bravelude]

they not gonna just sit, them tunnels werent overnight. this is a drag and forever will be one. they fire to keep morale up, cant lead the people if Palrstenians keep taking bombings on both cheeks

 

[createdestroy]

I unserstand the anger and hatred that the Palestinian people feel. I undrsyabd the anger and hatred that lead to car bombings, suicide bombings, and other stuff that goes on in the world.

I'm merely asking, what is Hamas' (being the dominant political party in Palestine) tactical/strategic/political goals for their military actions?

Are you telling me there is no goal? They are just expressing anger at the situation? They don't actually have a plan?

I laid it out to you. Their strategic means is to fire rockets to entice Israel to pressure them to end the siege, open the borders, release prisoners, etc. Indirectly aimed at Egypt too to get them to open their borders and gave the future day from Qatar transferred through to them.

Not sure if that's what you asked. But clarify to me again what exactly you're asking.

How does that even make sense from a strategic standpoint.

What is the logic behind using rockets to force Israel to open borders when Israel cites military aggression as a reason they keep the borders closed.

The cognitive dissonance shown by Hamas is appalling.

 

[me love nutella]

Is Al Jazeera a credible news source?

http://www.algemeiner.com/2014/07/2...analysis-confirms-israel-tageting-combatants/

That blog and sources are not credible themselves and part of the Israeli propaganda machine.

 

[flyeed]

Can we seriously stop with the rockets thing? It's been discussed a million times already.

If they want rockets to stop, accept a peace treaty. Stop building illegal settlements, end the blockade, stop harassing Palestinian civilians. Stop blowing up civilians.

@useref15   this did not start because of rocket fire. stop trying to mislead people into thinking this is Israel being defensive.

The EU is a western political organization. You blatantly ignore neutral parties that condemn Israel. Human Rights Watch, a completely unbiased source completely exposed Israel and their whole human shield garbage.

http://www.hrw.org/news/2014/07/15/israelpalestine-unlawful-israeli-airstrikes-kill-civilians

 

[bravelude]

Can we seriously stop with the rockets thing? It's been discussed a million times already.

If they want rockets to stop, accept a peace treaty. Stop building illegal settlements, end the blockade, stop harassing Palestinian civilians. Stop blowing up civilians.

@useref15
  this did not start because of rocket fire. stop trying to mislead people into thinking this is Israel being defensive.

The EU is a western political organization. You blatantly ignore neutral parties that condemn Israel. Human Rights Watch, a completely unbiased source completely exposed Israel and their whole human shield garbage.

http://www.hrw.org/news/2014/07/15/israelpalestine-unlawful-israeli-airstrikes-kill-civilians

I suppose valid, for what its worth, we can only wait and see what will happen. What we should see is, where other political parties stand and see if anything will be done.

Remember the FDR rumor about grtting the US into the war? All it takes is a tiny trigger to justify military warefare.

Again people, study history. This fight is no different and I have no idea why its rather magnified into extreme ends of the spectrum.

 

[Based Jesus]

 
Can we seriously stop with the rockets thing? It's been discussed a million times already.

If they want rockets to stop, accept a peace treaty. Stop building illegal settlements, end the blockade, stop harassing Palestinian civilians. Stop blowing up civilians.

@useref15   this did not start because of rocket fire. stop trying to mislead people into thinking this is Israel being defensive.

The EU is a western political organization. You blatantly ignore neutral parties that condemn Israel. Human Rights Watch, a completely unbiased source completely exposed Israel and their whole human shield garbage.

http://www.hrw.org/news/2014/07/15/israelpalestine-unlawful-israeli-airstrikes-kill-civilians

Or they could clear out the entire Gaza strip which we see happening.

There is no sound strategy to firing these rockets.

They have nowhere near enough military power to coerce Israel into doing anything.

Even if I was palestinian there is no way I could back Hamas in this.

They're doing far more harm than they are help.

And what is it with you and this "completely unbiased" saying of yours?

Everyone is biased. There is no such thing as being completely unbiased.

Some of us are just better at hiding it than others.

 

[flyeed]

Jon Stewart (Jewish and born Jon Leibowitz) is one of my biggest influences politically. I just wish he'd use his influence and tackle this issue harder instead of just touching on it here and there.

Last night he made a great point. That questioning the effectiveness and humanity of Israel's policies is not the same thing as supporting Hamas. It applies perfectly to this thread. Whenever people call out Israel indiscriminately killing civilians, we just hear "Well Hamas this Hamas that blah blah." People need to stop detracting from the important issue which is the slaughter of civilians to bring up political policies of Hamas. We're not here to defend Hamas, we're here to raise awareness about people getting murdered and the world thinking it's justified because of lies.

Another quote from Stewart while interviewing Hillary Clinton was: 

 “Can we at least agree the humanitarian crisis in Gaza is overwhelming and that the world must do more for the people who are trapped by this conflict?”

He also had this to say to while interviewing Hillary Clinton about Palestinians supporting Hamas:

Don't you think they would look at that as they've given a lot of different things a chance, these are the only guys to them that have given any resistance to what their condition is? If you're living in that situation, couldn't you see yourself thinking 'these are our freedom fighters' even if they might be viewed differently.

 

[bravelude]

Or they could clear out the entire Gaza strip which we see happening.
There is no sound strategy to firing these rockets.
They have nowhere near enough military power to coerce Israel into doing anything.
Even if I was palestinian there is no way I could back Hamas in this.
They're doing far more harm than they are help.
And what is it with you and this "completely unbiased" saying of yours?
Everyone is biased. There is no such thing as being completely unbiased.
Some of us are just better at hiding it than others.

Thats my POV, you might as well play the surrender, pity card. Or you either go down swinging. You have to react to the attacks to keep the rage, and morale in people. If confidence goes, Hamas goes. But just saying.

 

[flyeed]

 

 
Can we seriously stop with the rockets thing? It's been discussed a million times already.

If they want rockets to stop, accept a peace treaty. Stop building illegal settlements, end the blockade, stop harassing Palestinian civilians. Stop blowing up civilians.

@useref15   this did not start because of rocket fire. stop trying to mislead people into thinking this is Israel being defensive.

The EU is a western political organization. You blatantly ignore neutral parties that condemn Israel. Human Rights Watch, a completely unbiased source completely exposed Israel and their whole human shield garbage.

http://www.hrw.org/news/2014/07/15/israelpalestine-unlawful-israeli-airstrikes-kill-civilians

Or they could clear out the entire Gaza strip which we see happening.

There is no sound strategy to firing these rockets.

They have nowhere near enough military power to coerce Israel into doing anything.

Even if I was palestinian there is no way I could back Hamas in this.

They're doing far more harm than they are help.

And what is it with you and this "completely unbiased" saying of yours?

Everyone is biased. There is no such thing as being completely unbiased.

Some of us are just better at hiding it than others.

I don't support Hamas. Read the post I just made. Also sharing facts, having an openness to both sides of the story, and having no reason to have an agenda = unbiased. What would people like Noam Chomsky, Jon Stewart, Human Rights Watch, Holocaust survivors, Orthodox Jews who protest Israel, etc. have to gain by being biased against Israel? That's not bias, these are just people that view the facts for what they are and formulate an opinion based on it.

 

[bravelude]

Warfare wise, putting military near densley populated areas to trigger a justified retaliation is pushing the envelope. Human shield as you folks call it.

 

[useref15]

[quote name=url="/t/600484/palestinian-genocide-awareness-thread/510#post_21194976"]

UNRWA CONDEMNS PLACEMENT OF ROCKETS, FOR A SECOND TIME, IN ONE OF ITS SCHOOLS

AGENCY DEMANDS FULL RESPECT FOR THE SANCTITY OF ITS PREMISES IN GAZA

Gaza

Today, in the course of the regular inspection of its premises, UNRWA discovered rockets hidden in a vacant school in the Gaza Strip. As soon as the rockets were discovered, UNRWA staff were withdrawn from the premises, and so we are unable to confirm the precise number of rockets. The school is situated between two other UNRWA schools that currently each accommodate 1,500 internally displaced persons.

UNRWA strongly and unequivocally condemns the group or groups responsible for this flagrant violation of the inviolability of its premises under international law.

The Agency immediately informed the relevant parties and is pursuing all possible measures for the removal of the objects in order to preserve the safety and security of the school. UNRWA will launch a comprehensive investigation into the circumstances surrounding this incident.

UNRWA has reinforced and continues to implement its robust procedures to maintain the neutrality of all its premises, including a strict no-weapons policy and regular inspections of its installations, to ensure they are only used for humanitarian purposes.

Palestinian civilians in Gaza rely on UNRWA to provide humanitarian assistance and shelter. At all times, and especially during escalations of violence, the sanctity and integrity of UN installations must be respected.

[/quote]

http://www.unrwa.org/newsroom/press...placement-rockets-second-time-one-its-schools

 

[flyeed]

 

Originally Posted by url="/t/600484/palestinian-genocide-awareness-thread/510#post_21194976"  

UNRWA CONDEMNS PLACEMENT OF ROCKETS, FOR A SECOND TIME, IN ONE OF ITS SCHOOLS

AGENCY DEMANDS FULL RESPECT FOR THE SANCTITY OF ITS PREMISES IN GAZA

Gaza

Today, in the course of the regular inspection of its premises, UNRWA discovered rockets hidden in a vacant school in the Gaza Strip. As soon as the rockets were discovered, UNRWA staff were withdrawn from the premises, and so we are unable to confirm the precise number of rockets. The school is situated between two other UNRWA schools that currently each accommodate 1,500 internally displaced persons.

UNRWA strongly and unequivocally condemns the group or groups responsible for this flagrant violation of the inviolability of its premises under international law.

The Agency immediately informed the relevant parties and is pursuing all possible measures for the removal of the objects in order to preserve the safety and security of the school. UNRWA will launch a comprehensive investigation into the circumstances surrounding this incident.

UNRWA has reinforced and continues to implement its robust procedures to maintain the neutrality of all its premises, including a strict no-weapons policy and regular inspections of its installations, to ensure they are only used for humanitarian purposes.

Palestinian civilians in Gaza rely on UNRWA to provide humanitarian assistance and shelter. At all times, and especially during escalations of violence, the sanctity and integrity of UN installations must be respected.

http://www.unrwa.org/newsroom/press...placement-rockets-second-time-one-its-schools

So what exactly is the point this is supposed to prove? If it's to prove the whole human shield thing, it says the school was vacant.

People take their time to read everything you post, have you read the human rights watch article? I'd like to hear your take on it.

 

[bravelude]

You guys stop reading and just think. Why do SOME of you folks keep thinking bloodshed comes with ettiquette. If you wanna blast away, you blast away. And do you people realize that people are fleeing for their lives!! Of course the school is vacant. WHY would they hold classes there ?!!!!

Human shield is obvious, and used timelessly in war fare. So what‘s the issue?

 

[Original Playa Records]

This thread has just as much pointless shots being fired based on opinions as the war. Opinions and cultural beliefs and logic don't mix.

 

[flyeed]

You guys stop reading and just think. Why do SOME of you folks keep thinking bloodshed comes with ettiquette. If you wanna blast away, you blast away. And do you people realize that people are fleeing for their lives!! Of course the school is vacant. WHY would they hold classes there ?!!!!

Human shield is obvious, and used timelessly in war fare. So what‘s the issue?

You need to stop downplaying what's going on with a militaristic inhumane outlook.

It's an awareness thread on people getting slaughtered in an illegal and unnecessary "war" that isn't really a war and is one side randomly going on an offensive to kill and displace people from their homes.

Maybe a human rights awareness thread isn't the place for someone who has no respect or regard for it. It's 2014, the world is a more liberal thinking place and people don't accept death of innocents and have the right to defend their cause and lives.

 

[flyeed]

And we don't think there should be etiquette in the bloodshed. We think there shouldn't be bloodshed period.

 

[Based Jesus]

 

 

 
Can we seriously stop with the rockets thing? It's been discussed a million times already.

If they want rockets to stop, accept a peace treaty. Stop building illegal settlements, end the blockade, stop harassing Palestinian civilians. Stop blowing up civilians.

@useref15   this did not start because of rocket fire. stop trying to mislead people into thinking this is Israel being defensive.

The EU is a western political organization. You blatantly ignore neutral parties that condemn Israel. Human Rights Watch, a completely unbiased source completely exposed Israel and their whole human shield garbage.

http://www.hrw.org/news/2014/07/15/israelpalestine-unlawful-israeli-airstrikes-kill-civilians

Or they could clear out the entire Gaza strip which we see happening.

There is no sound strategy to firing these rockets.

They have nowhere near enough military power to coerce Israel into doing anything.

Even if I was palestinian there is no way I could back Hamas in this.

They're doing far more harm than they are help.

And what is it with you and this "completely unbiased" saying of yours?

Everyone is biased. There is no such thing as being completely unbiased.

Some of us are just better at hiding it than others.

I don't support Hamas. Read the post I just made. Also sharing facts, having an openness to both sides of the story, and having no reason to have an agenda = unbiased. What would people like Noam Chomsky, Jon Stewart, Human Rights Watch, Holocaust survivors, Orthodox Jews who protest Israel, etc. have to gain by being biased against Israel? That's not bias, these are just people that view the facts for what they are and formulate an opinion based on it.

I never said you supported Hamas. I said I don't understand how anyone could.

And the funny thing about bias is that you don't need to have anything to gain from it in order to have it.

Bias isn't logical. Our personal experiences will always influence how we view things.

Just look at how you keep posting quotes from "unbiased sources" that coincidentally support your personal stance on this matter.

Men lie, women lie, numbers are misinterpreted. It's easy to get people to believe what you want them to.

If I'm right Hamas is doing it right now at the cost of thousands. But I'm biased so if I were you I wouldn't take my words at face value.

 

[bravelude]

And we don't think there should be etiquette in the bloodshed. We think there shouldn't be bloodshed period.

That is a far fetched view. If it was 2014 and liberal as you seem to see it as, then why is this still going on? Stop trying to play police in that sense. And here we have 9 year olds marrying 60 year olds in difft culture.

But more so, try stop the Hamas is so innocent and only victim here undertone.

 

[flyeed]

 

 

 
Can we seriously stop with the rockets thing? It's been discussed a million times already.

If they want rockets to stop, accept a peace treaty. Stop building illegal settlements, end the blockade, stop harassing Palestinian civilians. Stop blowing up civilians.

@useref15
  this did not start because of rocket fire. stop trying to mislead people into thinking this is Israel being defensive.

The EU is a western political organization. You blatantly ignore neutral parties that condemn Israel. Human Rights Watch, a completely unbiased source completely exposed Israel and their whole human shield garbage.

http://www.hrw.org/news/2014/07/15/israelpalestine-unlawful-israeli-airstrikes-kill-civilians

Or they could clear out the entire Gaza strip which we see happening.
There is no sound strategy to firing these rockets.
They have nowhere near enough military power to coerce Israel into doing anything.
Even if I was palestinian there is no way I could back Hamas in this.
They're doing far more harm than they are help.
And what is it with you and this "completely unbiased" saying of yours?
Everyone is biased. There is no such thing as being completely unbiased.
Some of us are just better at hiding it than others.

I don't support Hamas. Read the post I just made. Also sharing facts, having an openness to both sides of the story, and having no reason to have an agenda = unbiased. What would people like Noam Chomsky, Jon Stewart, Human Rights Watch, Holocaust survivors, Orthodox Jews who protest Israel, etc. have to gain by being biased against Israel? That's not bias, these are just people that view the facts for what they are and formulate an opinion based on it.

I never said you supported Hamas. I said I don't understand how anyone could.
And the funny thing about bias is that you don't need to have anything to gain from it in order to have it.
Bias isn't logical. Our personal experiences will always influence how we view things.
Just look at how you keep posting quotes from "unbiased sources" that coincidentally support your personal stance on this matter.
Men lie, women lie, numbers are misinterpreted. It's easy to get people to believe what you want them to.
If I'm right Hamas is doing it right now at the cost of thousands. But I'm biased so if I were you I wouldn't take my words at face value.

Stewart briefly explains in his question to Hillary Clinton why he sees the reason someone would support them.

I think it's safe to say that sources like Chomsky, Stewart, Holocaust survivors, and Orthodox Jews who oppose Israel's policies wouldn't be biased against the Jewish state. If anything they'd be biased in favor of it, unless you're implying they have some sort of self-hate complex or just want attention.

I can, with enough certainty, call certain things and people unbiased sources.

You're having trouble understanding the difference between bias and people with an open mind forming an opinion based on facts and then taking a stance in one way. There's a difference.

 

[bravelude]

You need to stop downplaying what's going on with a militaristic inhumane outlook.

It's an awareness thread on people getting slaughtered in an illegal and unnecessary "war" that isn't really a war and is one side randomly going on an offensive to kill and displace people from their homes.

Maybe a human rights awareness thread isn't the place for someone who has no respect or regard for it. It's 2014, the world is a more liberal thinking place and people don't accept death of innocents and have the right to defend their cause and lives.

I understand your approach, but if this was a massacre then is your frustration based on the idea that no one is coming in to save the victims?

So if you say the Israelis are wrong, then what do you expect the Palastenians to do? Move? Or are you saying the Isaraelis should welcome them in open arms and reconcile?

 

[me love nutella]

Warfare wise, putting military near densley populated areas to trigger a justified retaliation is pushing the envelope. Human shield as you folks call it.

That gives no means or basis for Israel to slaughter civilians. You strike when you know there will be NO danger to civilians. It is virtually impossible for Palestinians to avoid Hamas affiliated facilities. They are the government there and due to the humanitarian crisis, they have social services set up everywhere. Not all Hamas are militants and most are public servants.

 

[me love nutella]

I never said you supported Hamas. I said I don't understand how anyone could.
And the funny thing about bias is that you don't need to have anything to gain from it in order to have it.
Bias isn't logical. Our personal experiences will always influence how we view things.
Just look at how you keep posting quotes from "unbiased sources" that coincidentally support your personal stance on this matter.
Men lie, women lie, numbers are misinterpreted. It's easy to get people to believe what you want them to.
If I'm right Hamas is doing it right now at the cost of thousands. But I'm biased so if I were you I wouldn't take my words at face value.

I do not understand how anyone can support the Israeli military and the atrocities it has been committing in this "war".