GREY MARKET DISCUSSION THREAD VOL. 2!!! (LET'S KEEP THE DISCUSSION MATURE) RULES ON PG 1 PLEASE READ

[romcadoo]

I doubt it; outside the Tiffany retro

no SB's really garner the hype to the consumer outside their core market

True but I feel they will eventually with JB prices raising and with the re-release of the tiffanys and possibly the de la souls I feel it can gain just enough hype

 

[ammaw23]

True but I feel they will eventually with JB prices raising and with the re-release of the tiffanys and possibly the de la souls I feel it can gain just enough hype

I feel you there, if it's a shoe that was popular in the past all the new "sneakerheads" will probably hype the s**t out of it, just like every Jordan, Lebron, Kobe an ect

 

[hotsawwce]

you bet?

they are gonna retail for $200. at least the remaster

i bet most others are getting a $10 increase so if its not remastered its still gonna be $170-180 for crap quality.

for maybe better quality but still crap mold you are paying $200

then keep in mind tax..

yea, jordan brand is TRASH

Every retro they are releasing will be remastered so $200+ every weekend

 

[aksuited]

Something tells me that this whole remastering thing may have some sort of impact on the grey market. Either they'll have a harder time replicating it because they don't wanna spend them money on the materials, or Nike will clamp down on the issue. 

 

[willie mcfly22]

I can't really have an opinion until I see remastered retros in person. If if what they say holds true, then take my 200. if them joints are whack or only the limited remastered releases get the quality upgrade, then I'll b talkin shiiit

 

[Bert.]

you bet?

they are gonna retail for $200. at least the remaster

i bet most others are getting a $10 increase so if its not remastered its still gonna be $170-180 for crap quality.

for maybe better quality but still crap mold you are paying $200

then keep in mind tax..

yea, jordan brand is TRASH

Every retro they are releasing will be remastered so $200+ every weekend

Not everything is remastered from what I've read just select shies

 

[willie mcfly22]

^naw, all retro product will b remastered starting Spring 2015...

 

[dankenstien88]

Something tells me that this whole remastering thing may have some sort of impact on the grey market. Either they'll have a harder time replicating it because they don't wanna spend them money on the materials, or Nike will clamp down on the issue. 

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Unless they take their production outside of China (which will never happen, because their cheap labor is too profitable), nothing will slow down the grey market.

Nike has no plans on clamping down on the issue. Counterfeits are merely a part of the cost of doing business and Nike knows this.

 

[Bert.]

Nike being in china has nothing to do with it. fakes are gonna be made regardless

 

[dankenstien88]

Nike being in china has nothing to do with it. fakes are gonna be made regardless

Nike being in China has a lot to do with the influx of "superperfect"/"GM" kicks.

It's no coincidence that the 10 fold quality increase of these counterfeit shoes directly coincides with Nike pulling out of Vietnam, Indonesia, etc. and moving 99.9% of their manufacturing to China. Pou Chen/Yue Yuen has a very long history of this kind of thing and Nike knows it. But the price of their labor is so low and they can produce such high volumes, that companies just consider the counterfeits as a normal cost of doing business.

 

[aksuited]

Back to the Sport Blue 6's. INitially I said that I have trouble spotting GM 6s.

I tried looking at the issues you all were arguing with A-friend about.

THe stitching issue:

It seems like in addition to the stitching being kind of sloppy, y'all are saying the corners are pointier too, right? I noticed that with that ONE pair. The corners should be rounded, whereas the pair in question had pointy corners, right? Is this common, or ALWAYS on GM 6s?

Also, Sport Blue 6's should have a blue tint lace cover, GMs are all white? What aboiut the Infrareds?

 

[edshoecator]

Some GMs have better quality than retail.

 

[a-friend]

I just wish someone would post up a decent number of high Qual pics of their #teamearly pair, so we could take the same angled pics on the RD pair and break it down. Will come in handy when this BlackInfra drops too.

 

[blastercombo]

Some GMs have better quality than retail.

People say this but as bad as retail pairs are GMs are never better

 

[dankenstien88]

Some GMs have better quality than retail.

People say this but as bad as retail pairs are GMs are never better

I cant speak on long term durability, but aesthetically the GM Jams blow the authentic 2009's out of the water.

09 Jams were pure trash :x :x

Joints literally look worse than fakes :x

 

[aksuited]

I cant speak on long term durability, but aesthetically the GM Jams blow the authentic 2009's out of the water.

09 Jams were pure trash

Joints literally look worse than fakes

That's not fair though. 09 Jams were some of the worst retros we've ever seen. Also, something you're not addressing...even though you did mention longterm durability uncertainty is:

The shape of GM Jams are terrible. Puffy collars alone make the shoe look ridiculous. Also, they phylon is usually rounded off in the back and the 23's look stretched and funny.

Also, you have NO idea as to how bad the internal construction might be. Possible flat airbag, funky stitching, etc. While they look better at first glance, I'd still rather have the original knowing I'm getting all the components in the correct fashion, and not some slapped together model that looks better but really isn't.

 

[edshoecator]

People say this but as bad as retail pairs are GMs are never better

I forget which tuber made a video of some 3s (fake oregons) and the leather looked might fine.

I used to get everything from a mom n pop with an account...unbeknownst to us, the customers, Jordan cut them off, and they started dealing with GM. We got GOT for a few months til the reviewers told us to look at stamps. Suffice to say, we stopped dealing with the broad, but I foresee an influx of mom n pops dealing GMs 

 

[dankenstien88]

I cant speak on long term durability, but aesthetically the GM Jams blow the authentic 2009's out of the water.


09 Jams were pure trash :x :x


Joints literally look worse than fakes :x

That's not fair though. 09 Jams were some of the worst retros we've ever seen. Also, something you're not addressing...even though you did mention longterm durability uncertainty is:

The shape of GM Jams are terrible. Puffy collars alone make the shoe look ridiculous. Also, they phylon is usually rounded off in the back and the 23's look stretched and funny.
Also, you have NO idea as to how bad the internal construction might be. Possible flat airbag, funky stitching, etc. While they look better at first glance, I'd still rather have the original knowing I'm getting all the components in the correct fashion, and not some slapped together model that looks better but really isn't.

From what I've seen the shape of the GMs is closer to the 2010+ CGs, Concords, etc.


The 08 CDPs and 09 Jams are ridiculously deformed with a tiny little toebox and not nearly enough patent leather. They were extremely uncomfortable too. I stocked up, but ended up selling all of my CDP black/reds and 09 Jams because they were so terrible I had no use for them.

I've never supported fakes, but frankly I would own a GM pair before I would ever own another pair of 09s. That's how awful they were :x

 

[frenchbreadbuilds]

From what I've seen the shape of the GMs is closer to the 2010+ CGs, Concords, etc.


The 08 CDPs and 09 Jams are ridiculously deformed with a tiny little toebox and not nearly enough patent leather. They were extremely uncomfortable too. I stocked up, but ended up selling all of my CDP black/reds and 09 Jams because they were so terrible I had no use for them.

I've never supported fakes, but frankly I would own a GM pair before I would ever own another pair of 09s. That's how awful they were :x

In think you're just nit picking. I'll agree with you that the 08 CDPs were uncomfortable
Regardless of size but but I didn't notice any change in comfort between my 09 space Jams and my cool greys or Concords. Ever since the CDPs I went a half size up and I've been good

 

[dankenstien88]

From what I've seen the shape of the GMs is closer to the 2010+ CGs, Concords, etc.


The 08 CDPs and 09 Jams are ridiculously deformed with a tiny little toebox and not nearly enough patent leather. They were extremely uncomfortable too. I stocked up, but ended up selling all of my CDP black/reds and 09 Jams because they were so terrible I had no use for them.

I've never supported fakes, but frankly I would own a GM pair before I would ever own another pair of 09s. That's how awful they were :x

In think you're just nit picking. I'll agree with you that the 08 CDPs were uncomfortable
Regardless of size but but I didn't notice any change in comfort between my 09 space Jams and my cool greys or Concords. Ever since the CDPs I went a half size up and I've been good

Nah, I'm not nitpicking. I've owned every XI from the Originals through the recent retros and the 08 CDPs and 09 SJs were the worst by a significant margin. Both used the same deformed last/mold, crappy quality and they were incredibly small and uncomfortable compared to other XIs thanks to the deformed toebox and skimpy use of patent leather. They were garbage, pure garbage.

 

[frenchbreadbuilds]

Nah, I'm not nitpicking. I've owned every XI from the Originals through the recent retros and the 08 CDPs and 09 SJs were the worst by a significant margin. Both used the same deformed last/mold, crappy quality and they were incredibly small and uncomfortable compared to other XIs thanks to the deformed toebox and skimpy use of patent leather. They were garbage, pure garbage.

I've owned 11s from the 2000-2001 releases to now and the only issues I've had with comfort were just the cdp 11s and the anniversary's. The CDPs write stiff and felt like cardboard and the anniversary's were thin and flimsy. Never had an issue with my jams. I mean compared to my 2000 pair the 09s were garbage but in my opinion any 11 mid released in the past 20 years is leagues above the cdp 11. Including the jams. Aside from the slightly different shape the jams and cords are the same quality for the most part. Both are crap compared the 2000 release. Infact they're both crap compared to the DMP release that I'm wearing right now. But not everyone has the same feet lol

 

[160jordansdeep]

Nike being in China has a lot to do with the influx of "superperfect"/"GM" kicks.

It's no coincidence that the 10 fold quality increase of these counterfeit shoes directly coincides with Nike pulling out of Vietnam, Indonesia, etc. and moving 99.9% of their manufacturing to China. Pou Chen/Yue Yuen has a very long history of this kind of thing and Nike knows it. But the price of their labor is so low and they can produce such high volumes, that companies just consider the counterfeits as a normal cost of doing business.

this man knows the truth

when it comes to the production of stuff made in china its the wild wild west

the machines used to make the super fakes/gm NOW in 2014 shoes are old equipment that was used in legit Pou Chen/Yue Yuen sweatshops
pou chen sold the old equipment to who ever paid for it and didnt care about nike's intellectual property

the equipment is sold to the local chinese mafia that makes all this stuff

dont forget guys nike and Pou Chen/Yue Yuen are two different company's

one other thing before all this early release stuff blow up back in 06 and 07

there it real shoes coming out legit sweatshops in garbage bags being literally thrown over the factory dormroom walls to middle men between the hk websites and the factory workers full of legit b grade that would be sold in a nike factory store or no flaw shoes that would got to nike retail customers like footlocker and other stores all over the world

sometimes Chinese family's working & living at pou chen sweatshops would be wearing jordans coming out state side 3 months before release date by talking a pair for them self

the real grey market shoes are the pairs being made from factory scraps after hours at underground sweatshops with the old equipment

i know this all sounds like b.s but its the truth

 

[dankenstien88]

Nah, I'm not nitpicking. I've owned every XI from the Originals through the recent retros and the 08 CDPs and 09 SJs were the worst by a significant margin. Both used the same deformed last/mold, crappy quality and they were incredibly small and uncomfortable compared to other XIs thanks to the deformed toebox and skimpy use of patent leather. They were garbage, pure garbage.

I've owned 11s from the 2000-2001 releases to now and the only issues I've had with comfort were just the cdp 11s and the anniversary's. The CDPs write stiff and felt like cardboard and the anniversary's were thin and flimsy. Never had an issue with my jams. I mean compared to my 2000 pair the 09s were garbage but in my opinion any 11 mid released in the past 20 years is leagues above the cdp 11. Including the jams. Aside from the slightly different shape the jams and cords are the same quality for the most part. Both are crap compared the 2000 release. Infact they're both crap compared to the DMP release that I'm wearing right now. But not everyone has the same feet lol

The 08 CDPs and 09 Jams were made from the same lasts/molds. The 09 Jams were just as ugly, stiff and ill fitting as the CDPs because they were made to the same specs with the exact same distorted measurements. From the 2010 CGs on up JB used an improved last/mold, that while not as good as the older releases, was leagues above and beyond the travesties that were the 08/09 releases.

 

[frenchbreadbuilds]

this man knows the truth

when it comes to the production of stuff made in china its the wild wild west

the machines used to make the super fakes/gm NOW in 2014 shoes are old equipment that was used in legit Pou Chen/Yue Yuen sweatshops
pou chen sold the old equipment to who ever paid for it and didnt care about nike's intellectual property

the equipment is sold to the local chinese mafia that makes all this stuff

dont forget guys nike and Pou Chen/Yue Yuen are two different company's

one other thing before all this early release stuff blow up back in 06 and 07

there it real shoes coming out legit sweatshops in garbage bags being literally thrown over the factory dormroom walls to middle men between the hk websites and the factory workers full of legit b grade that would be sold in a nike factory store or no flaw shoes that would got to nike retail customers like footlocker and other stores all over the world

sometimes Chinese family's working & living at pou chen sweatshops would be wearing jordans coming out state side 3 months before release date by talking a pair for them self

the real grey market shoes are the pairs being made from factory scraps after hours at underground sweatshops with the old equipment

i know this all sounds like b.s but its the truth

But real grey markets shoes account for maybe .00000001% of the actually "unauthorized" shoes that are out there. It's just not possible for all of these replica sites to get all over their inventory from Chinese workers in garbage bags. These shoes are being mass produced at a level that requires a dedicated factory, workers, and production time. The myth that these shoes are coming directly off of nikes production line is just that, a myth.

 

[jbc908]

this man knows the truth

when it comes to the production of stuff made in china its the wild wild west

the machines used to make the super fakes/gm NOW in 2014 shoes are old equipment that was used in legit Pou Chen/Yue Yuen sweatshops
pou chen sold the old equipment to who ever paid for it and didnt care about nike's intellectual property

the equipment is sold to the local chinese mafia that makes all this stuff

dont forget guys nike and Pou Chen/Yue Yuen are two different company's

one other thing before all this early release stuff blow up back in 06 and 07

there it real shoes coming out legit sweatshops in garbage bags being literally thrown over the factory dormroom walls to middle men between the hk websites and the factory workers full of legit b grade that would be sold in a nike factory store or no flaw shoes that would got to nike retail customers like footlocker and other stores all over the world

sometimes Chinese family's working & living at pou chen sweatshops would be wearing jordans coming out state side 3 months before release date by talking a pair for them self

the real grey market shoes are the pairs being made from factory scraps after hours at underground sweatshops with the old equipment

i know this all sounds like b.s but its the truth

But real grey markets shoes account for maybe .00000001% of the actually "unauthorized" shoes that are out there. It's just not possible for all of these replica sites to get all over their inventory from Chinese workers in garbage bags. These shoes are being mass produced at a level that requires a dedicated factory, workers, and production time. The myth that these shoes are coming directly off of nikes production line is just that, a myth.

Any and all gray markets are fake