son comes out of the closet to his religous parents

am1x90xnike said:

Well, just off top if you read the article they don't come to the 'im bisexual' conclusion, they explicitly say they are straight. Like, re read the article.

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From what I recall, there was a general statement made that some former lesbians claim to now be straight. However, the specific examples mentioned in that article all reached the conclusion that they were bisexual. I said this previously. Re-read what I said. I asked you which girls specifically are straight and are in no way homosexual. 

am1x90xnike said:

My point exactly. Three year olds don't know about sex, thus they couldn't have been born with any sexual orientation. It develops later in life at different points for different people.

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I knew when I was five years old that I was attracted to girls. I didn't know anything about sex at the age of five. 

Offset POW CLOW said:

You dont have to know about sex to be naturally attracted to a certain sex at that age

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He doesn't believe that sexuality is based on attraction.

He thinks it's based on urges to partake in sex acts.

Idk if were reading the same article, cuz I never saw that conclusion.


And, I posted three for a reason, if you're born that way you should be that way from day one right?

I literally just kicked if with a three year old around a bunch of three year old girls...they had cooties...that's where a three year olds minds at, nothing about sexuality. He was heavily concerned with cops and robbers (little white kid arresting me, in light of ferguson, hilarious), couldn't care less about girls. Stop forcing three year olds to fit in your 'gay' or 'straight' mold, they just exists, then when they get older the choose who they have sex with.

Which brings me back to my point, is the man who is attracted to men, but only sleeps with women gay?

is the man who is attracted to men, but only sleeps with women gay?

why are they called guinea pigs if they're not from guinea nor pigs?

if an immigrant fights a child molester would it be alien vs predator?

when people yawn do deaf people think they're screaming?

you seriously need to stop with this philosoraptor garbage.

i thought girls had cooties too, that doesnt mean i still wasnt attracted to them, you know at that age "it isnt cool" to like girls
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Which brings me back to my point, is the man who is attracted to men, but only sleeps with women gay?[/quote]

Its called being on the down low, spend some time in atl next time you get a chance

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am1x90xnike said:

Idk if were reading the same article, cuz I never saw that conclusion.


And, I posted three for a reason, if you're born that way you should be that way from day one right?

I literally just kicked if with a three year old around a bunch of three year old girls...they had cooties...that's where a three year olds minds at, nothing about sexuality. He was heavily concerned with cops and robbers (little white kid arresting me, in light of ferguson, hilarious), couldn't care less about girls. Stop forcing three year olds to fit in your 'gay' or 'straight' mold, they just exists, then when they get older the choose who they have sex with.

Which brings me back to my point, is the man who is attracted to men, but only sleeps with women gay?

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Was this directed at me?

Offset POW CLOW said:

i thought girls had cooties too, that doesnt mean i still wasnt attracted to them, you know at that age "it isnt cool" to like girls
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Which brings me back to my point, is the man who is attracted to men, but only sleeps with women gay?

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Its called being on the down low, spend some time in atl next time you get a chance[/quote]

But he never acts on, no writing nothing, just sees a dude, is attracted to him...then keeps it moving.

am1x90xnike said:

My point exactly. Three year olds don't know about sex, thus they couldn't have been born with any sexual orientation. It develops later in life at different points for different people.

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So why do kids who grow up in the same household sometimes have different sexual orientations if it develops later in life?

I don't even get what you're arguing

You don't believe attraction makes a person gay, you believe the sexual act makes them gay. Like there isn't plenty of straight women who have had sexual acts with females before.

What's your point?

am1x90xnike said:

And, I posted three for a reason, if you're born that way you should be that way from day one right?

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You must think a crack baby is born KNOWING they want crack too right?

NT's resident smart-dumb erm...."person" is hard at work in this thread.

Offset POW CLOW said:

You never had a crush in elementary?

Kids know their sexuality way before puberty

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IDK why this is such a difficult concept to grasp.

Another L for religion in my book. Makes these religious idiots dance around simple topics that anyone with a brain could decipher.

Religious people used to protest interracial marriage. Christianity's legacy is the fact that it was dragged into civilization kicking and screaming only to be used a conduit for hate

Well, crack addiction is a genetically proven trait so it's a little different.


http://www.independent.co.uk/life-s...may-be-hereditary-study-suggests-6348773.html

And, kids in the same household? Really? Me and my bro grew up in the same household, he's military, I'm not. Household is only part of the equation, education, friends, tv, etc. are the rest.

am1x90xnike said:

Well, crack addiction is a genetically proven trait so it's a little different.


http://www.independent.co.uk/life-s...may-be-hereditary-study-suggests-6348773.html

And, kids in the same household? Really? Me and my bro grew up in the same household, he's military, I'm not. Household is only part of the equation, education, friends, tv, etc. are the rest.

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You say it's genetically proven and post a link where the subject says "may be"

Thanks for not answering either question



Still not explaining why you think being gay has to do with the act when straight people commit homosexual acts and are still straight

"Straight people committing sexual acts and are still straight"

Reminds me of that true life episode

I completely reject the notion you can be straight but perform gay acts. I'm not accepting that at all.

You gonna tell me you straight with some [fluid] in your beard...or nah.

am1x90xnike said:

I completely reject the notion you can be straight but perform gay acts. I'm not accepting that at all.

You gonna tell me you straight with some [fluid] in your beard...or nah.

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Yet you're the one that brought up females that committed gay acts but claim their straight.

The contradictions.

It is hard to debate with you when it seems that you are talking pre-biblical and biblical era and when you throw Theism into the mix when it has nothing to do with religious beliefs. However, I will try to answer you one last time.

Master Zik said:

What would you rather have me refer to it as? I feel like your nitpicking. I'm talking about any religious text attached to a religion that believes in a GOD or GODs. Do they not refer to these texts as holy? I'm using it as a catch all if that's what they refer to them as.

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How am I nitpicking??? I want to stay on one subject, can someone believe in God without believing in scriptures???

When I give you my take on it, you quickly jump into Theism which is none religious. If you keep it in a religious aspect, a person can believe in GOD without believing everything the holy scripture state.

Some choose to believe in some  of the scriptures and others only choose to believe in one thing, God is the creator (BIBLICAL). If you talk Theism in general, I interpret any era/societies teachings (spoken, drawn, literature, etc) as scriptures. One can dismiss all the teachings, but the idea that there is a supreme being was not invented but rather taught.

Master Zik said:

Ok. They're not just things I didn't say but they're also irrelevant to what I'm talking about.

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How are they irrelevant if they support your claim that an individual can believe in God without believing in the bible? Deists once being Christian or of any faith is not addressing the matter, but it shows that the God they believe in is probably the same god other religious groups believe in. They just don't believe in everything an ORGANIZED religion preach.

Master Zik said:

That doesn't matter. Again, did you miss the step by step process I posted which basically involved learning about he religion before rejecting it's religious text or word?

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No, I did not miss it and I'm not arguing it. However, what you are missing is troublesome. There are countless religions and all of them think their way is right.  I can one day go from being a Catholic to a Protestant, does that mean I don't believe in the same GOD? NO - Thus, IMHO just because a Diest decided to just believe in God and not the scriptures in its entirety - he still believe in the same God because of the basic sentence in the scripture.

Master Zik said:

This is one of my main points that support the idea that one can believe in a GOD without also believing some religious text that comes after forming the concept of a GOD.

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Please correct me if I'm wrong, but are you saying that a person can believe in a God all by him/herself then find religion and disagree with the scriptures?

Are you saying than in a pre-biblical era (lets say Greeks) a person is going to know about their countless Gods and Godess before literature (word, text, writing)?

All I'm saying is that a person is not going to have their belief unless he/she hears, read, or learned it. Thus, you have to believe in at least the principal whether is from scriptures or the alternative to them.

Master Zik said:

What's a revelation exactly? Now we're getting in to hypothetical land.
 

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exactly!!!!! I clearly stated, that we know about ancients gods do factual scientific findings not on hypotheticals. For you to say with conviction that someone figured it all by themselves is a hypothetical . We can assumed but we can't prove it.

Master Zik said:

You're welcome.

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No problem, like you, I'm no scholar. This has been debated over and over again, if there was certainty, then it would be easily explained. We are talking about beliefs, nothing scientifically proven, but yet we want to say we are correct. I find this is ironic.

Probably my last reply to this matter, back to lurking.

Girls who commit sexual acts with females are gay....well bisexual...don't let them tell you differently...the ones who end up getting married in the future like that **** never happened can just suppress that desire.

I know quite a few girls who was carpet munching or getting it munched who are now married or engaged to some guy

Crazy Caballo said:

It is hard to debate with you when it seems that you are talking pre-biblical and biblical era and when you throw Theism into the mix when it has nothing to do with religious beliefs. However, I will try to answer you one last time.

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That's because believing in GOD doesn't require religious beliefs. I don't get why you don't get what I'm saying. That's why it's easy to bring up theism. It supports what I'm talking about on this point where I brought it up.

Master Zik said:

What would you rather have me refer to it as? I feel like your nitpicking. I'm talking about any religious text attached to a religion that believes in a GOD or GODs. Do they not refer to these texts as holy? I'm using it as a catch all if that's what they refer to them as.

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How am I nitpicking???

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Me referring to the bible or quran or torah or any other religious text that belongs to any other religion as "holy" text has absolutely nothing to do with the main topic. That is nitpicking about nothing imo.

You saying "The fact that you continue to use holy as a catch all for all scriptures turns me off and I gives me motives to stop an otherwise intellectual debate" is a complete tangent to the topic. Not to mention in this post you didn't even answer any of my questions about it since that'd be a whole different argument. I don't see why you brought it up at all other than to go off in to a whole other line of discourse.

I want to stay on one subject, can someone believe in God without believing in scriptures???

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Yes, ppl like this exist. Several NTers have admitted to being those types of believers in GOD.

When I give you my take on it, you quickly jump into Theism which is none religious. If you keep it in a religious aspect, a person can believe in GOD without believing everything the holy scripture state.

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Like I said before, I don't know what's confusing you here. I'm not discussing a religious matter. My stance has always remained the same, ppl can and do believe in GOD without believing in scripture or a "holy" text or the word or w/e you want to call it.

So again why can't I bring up theism? Where did you get confused that we weren't discussing a non-religious matter?

Some choose to believe in some  of the scriptures

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I'm not talking about these ppl.

and others only choose to believe in one thing, God is the creator (BIBLICAL).

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Again like I said because a religions teachings will have things in common with a non-religious persons principles and beliefs doesn't now mean that that non-reigious person isn't non-religious.

I can believe killing is wrong it doesn't mean I now believe the same as Christians that killing is a sin. I can believe stealing is wrong, it doesn't mean the reasons I believe it is wrong is the same why a Muslim thinks it's wrong. This shouldn't be something hard to comprehend.

If you talk Theism in general, I interpret any era/societies teachings (spoken, drawn, literature, etc) as scriptures. One can dismiss all the teachings, but the idea that there is a supreme being was not invented but rather taught.

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I'm not talking about this either.

Before anything was taught there were ppl that believed in GOD without scripture correct? Well there you go.

Master Zik said:

Ok. They're not just things I didn't say but they're also irrelevant to what I'm talking about.

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How are they irrelevant if they support your claim that an individual can believe in God without believing in the bible?

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You said something.

I said I never said these things.

You said you didn't say I said those things you were just stating your conclusions on Deism.

Your conclusions on deism have nothing to do with what I've actually said. W/e you're saying isn't then supporting my claim, which isn't even "my claim" but an actual fact since ppl do believe in GOD without believing in scripture/"holy" text/some of it/all of it/the word/etc.

Master Zik said:

That doesn't matter. Again, did you miss the step by step process I posted which basically involved learning about he religion before rejecting it's religious text or word?

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No, I did not miss it and I'm not arguing it. However, what you are missing is troublesome. There are countless religions and all of them think their way is right.  I can one day go from being a Catholic to a Protestant, does that mean I don't believe in the same GOD? NO - Thus, IMHO just because a Diest decided to just believe in God and not the scriptures in its entirety - he still believe in the same God because of the basic sentence in the scripture.

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I'm not talking about religions thinking they're right. Deism isn't a religion.

You keep talking about this in its "entirety" thing as a point of dispute. Are you saying there can not be deists who reject scriptures in their entirety? This is again where we come to where you're saying a person can't belief in GOD without believing in scripture. How do you think you can say what a person can or can not believe in? I just don't get that.

Master Zik said:

This is one of my main points that support the idea that one can believe in a GOD without also believing some religious text that comes after forming the concept of a GOD.

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Please correct me if I'm wrong, but are you saying that a person can believe in a God all by him/herself then find religion and disagree with the scriptures?

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Yes. The same way a person can believe in the GOD of Judaism and then find Ilam and disagree with their scriptures in their entirety.

Are you saying than in a pre-biblical era (lets say Greeks) a person is going to know about their countless Gods and Godess before literature (word, text, writing)?

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Not necessarily countless GODs by name but they could easily believe in a GOD of fire, sunlight and then a GOD of water, then a GOD of good health before literature, writing, text.

All I'm saying is that a person is not going to have their belief unless he/she hears, read, or learned it. Thus, you have to believe in at least the principal whether is from scriptures or the alternative to them.

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This is FALSE.

You're now saying no one can believe in anything unless they have read it or learned it or heard it from someone else. A person exploring the world on their own can not form beliefs. That's what you're saying right now Think about that.

Master Zik said:

What's a revelation exactly? Now we're getting in to hypothetical land.

 

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exactly!!!!! I clearly stated, that we know about ancients gods do factual scientific findings not on hypotheticals.

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What? I don't understand this statement.

For you to say with conviction that someone figured it all by themselves is a hypothetical . We can assumed but we can't prove it.

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Figure out all of what?

Forming the concept of a GOD and then believing in that concept you imagined is nothing more than trying to answer hard questions you can encounter on your own through reflection and wondering and experiencing the world.

A constant reply when an atheist says they don't believe in GOD from a theist is to look around at the world, to look at nature. These theists and deists have come to the conclusion that their must've been a GOD to create these things. Before we get to any scripture or origin story. They say to themselves how did things get here? GOD did it.

Master Zik said:

You're welcome.

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No problem, like you, I'm no scholar. This has been debated over and over again, if there was certainty, then it would be easily explained. We are talking about beliefs, nothing scientifically proven, but yet we want to say we are correct. I find this is ironic.

Probably my last reply to this matter, back to lurking.

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I don't think ppl have been debating this topic over and over again. I do think I've easily explained it though.

Can a person believe in GOD and nothing else but GOD no scripture or religion or "word or "holy" text"? Yes.

The meanings of these words aren't hard, the main one being "can" Is a human being able to believe in GOD? Yes. Can they believe in GOD without also believing in scripture, religion, books, physics, magic, science, klinko, polo, etc.? YES.

Like I said in this case if it's conceivable it is possible and it does exist. If I really felt like wasting the time I'd go find those past religion threads where several NTers have specifically said they do not follow any religion or book that goes with but do believing in GOD. It's not hard to do. So why would you say a person can't do it?

Boris said:

Which girls, specifically? What other details do we have? 


By definition, the man attracted to men is gay. By definition, if the straight man engaging in homosexual intercourse is only attracted to women, he is straight. The problem is we need specific examples with details to analyze. Discussing hypotheticals is pointless for this topic. 

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You cant really believe this? Like seriously?
If a man has sex with another man, he is gay. How anyone could think otherwise is beyond comprehension. I dont care what definition you use.

2ndly lets not act like nobody ever chooses to be gay.
I have seen numerous women that have children(plural) from previous heterosexual relationships that swear up and down they are lesbian now.
Like hardcore lesbian.

No one can deny that there are some that choose to be gay and it wasnt in their genetic makeup.

JaysRcrak said:

You cant really believe this? Like seriously?
If a man has sex with another man, he is gay. How anyone could think otherwise is beyond comprehension. I dont care what definition you use.

2ndly lets not act like nobody ever chooses to be gay.
I have seen numerous women that have children(plural) from previous heterosexual relationships that swear up and down they are lesbian now.
Like hardcore lesbian.

No one can deny that there are some that choose to be gay and it wasnt in their genetic makeup.

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Sorry man, I'm just using the definitions of these words. I don't create the definitions of words in the English language. 

It also doesn't matter to me if a man engages in homosexual intercourse and claims to be straight. 

JaysRcrak said:

Boris said:

Which girls, specifically? What other details do we have? 


By definition, the man attracted to men is gay. By definition, if the straight man engaging in homosexual intercourse is only attracted to women, he is straight. The problem is we need specific examples with details to analyze. Discussing hypotheticals is pointless for this topic. 

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You cant really believe this? Like seriously?
If a man has sex with another man, he is gay. How anyone could think otherwise is beyond comprehension. I dont care what definition you use.

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He could be bi.

I'm sure there's some other wild hypotheticals that could explain the homosexual activity word to all those would you get smashed by a dude for millions threads

2ndly lets not act like nobody ever chooses to be gay.
I have seen numerous women that have children(plural) from previous heterosexual relationships that swear up and down they are lesbian now.
Like hardcore lesbian.

No one can deny that there are some that choose to be gay and it wasnt in their genetic makeup.

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They were always homosexual or they're actually bisexual and denying that. Just more open about it. They're only choosing to be more open about it.

Master Zik said:

He could be bi.


They were always homosexual or they're actually bisexual and denying that. Just more open about it. They're only choosing to be more open about it.

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But these are women I know and from observing their behavior and having conversations with them, they do not like men.
Not sexually attracted to them AT ALL now.
But yet they have multiple kids.

With the certainty of the existence of extra-terrestrials I am sure that some people choose to be gay, that are not bi-sexual. I dont know how big that percentage is but it exists.