"NO ONE MAN HAS IT HARDER THAN THE NEXT" This is a blanket statement that covers LIFE as a whole

What know even is this?

In b4 I'm blak

There is always someone who has it worse than you.

I'm blak

jayzz

Nah, just saying I grew up crazy to my knowledge and I'm blak too but I'm surviving and I don't have much money at all. I want but it's not that important anymore like it used to be

Fox5Kobe said:

jayzz

Nah, just saying I grew up crazy to my knowledge and I'm blak too but I'm surviving and I don't have much money at all. I want but it's not that important anymore like it used to be

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Someone always has it harder than you, until you're dead.
I'm worried about what I'll be eating in the next hour, kids in Africa have been worried for 3 days whether they're going to eat at all.

DeMarco said:

 

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letsgetit22 said:

Thanks for clarifying. I still disagree, though. Example... a newborn black child and white child are adopted by an Asian family. The kids/adults take the same route to success. They both eventually achieve the same level of success. Statistically the black kid/adult would've had to work almost twice as hard as his white brother to achieve the same level of success. Therefore, the black kid had it harder. That is statistically factual.

For those not aware, I'm not turning this into a race thread. Just sticking to the original discussion in the Ferguson thread.

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Black person has to work twice as hard to achieve same level of success..? 

Reference please

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Google the following, "Employers Prefer White Felons Over Blacks With No Criminal Record".



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Jayzz said:

Someone always has it harder than you, until you're dead.
I'm worried about what I'll be eating in the next hour, kids in Africa have been worried for 3 days whether they're going to eat at all.

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God vs Satan & Heaven vs Hell if you believe...

Yeah said:

You mean to tell me the dude born in Sarasota to a wealthy family goes through the same amount of relative struggle as the dude who was born in to an Untouchable caste in India with birth defects?

Just because we're measuring on a grand scale, thus nullifying any kind of possible measure?

Come on b.

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These two things can NOT be compared from YOUR view and here is why. The view of what is deemed a high quality of life is going to differ from the Sarasota and Indian man with birth defects.   

The sarasota guy is going to need, money, shoes, fast cars big houses

The India guy is going to have a total different Reality all together of what is deemed "hard" or valuable or a high quality of life.

Each Persons perception of what is, it what their reality is.

Same as why you can't assume a man born blind has it worse than you. Just because you know the feeling of sight and enjoy it, does not mean he cares to have it, for he can't miss what he never had.

Master Zik said:

On a case to case basis I'd say this is wrong and yeah I read the OP, specifically the part where it says what the quote really means.

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But here is the odd thing, this isn't a case of being right or wrong.

It's all perception, and that is reality, and that is what creates each iindividuals definition of what's "hard" 

thebsprky said:

The cloud does change

people deal with things differently so you're correct in some form

you may be a "god" in some situations/things but where you aren't can hurt

the equation gets balanced

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It all balances out in each individuals mind. You can't tell the richest man in the World that he doesn't have it "hard" or have problems, because you can't fathom what another man's struggle is. We all have the capacity only because of the ability to adapt, to accept things for what they are and live inside or outside that particular box.

letsgetit22 said:

Thanks for clarifying. I still disagree, though. Example... a newborn black child and white child are adopted by an Asian family. The kids/adults take the same route to success. They both eventually achieve the same level of success. Statistically the black kid/adult would've had to work almost twice as hard as his white brother to achieve the same level of success. Therefore, the black kid had it harder. That is statistically factual.
For those not aware, I'm not turning this into a race thread. Just sticking to the original discussion in the Ferguson thread.

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Based on your own understanding you would think the Black kid had it harder. It's really not about the statistics as to that Particular black kids ability to accept the situation, adapt to it and again live within or beyond those parameters. The discrimination is there, and the strength this Black kid will gain from having to overcome odds that were stacked against him, will very much benefit him in another aspect of his life, particularly when competing against whites who has a "easier" route to get there. Pain and Struggle is never in vain. With struggle comes progress, and that is worth ALOT my dude.

tyisny said:

so while i do somewhat think i see where your heading with this post, this statement and mindset can't be used when speaking on a topic that is clearly proven statistically to have discrepancies based on (Gender/Race/Religion/color)

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I wasn't actually using it in that way though. 

The point was when I said it to the poster in the Ferguson thread was this: "why concern yourself with what it would be like to live WHite, not only is it not a possiblity but, Instead try celebrating the advantages you have for being Born Black, or Asian, or Mexican. Control the things that you can, and the things you can't control, don't bother yourself with them. And the  dude wondered how easy it would be if he were white as opposed to Black, that should never enter your mind, because it's impossible

Before I go on further answering the quotes I would like to point out something I think alot of people are missing in this discussion.

What you or I may value as a HighQuality of life (good food, nice clothes, J's, cable tv, Yambs, money) is only our own perception.

Because one persons definition of having it hard may be walking to school, another mans definition of hard may be having to go to school at all. Make any sense?

Its all perception, It's all a different reality for each and every individual on Planet Earth. Beauty and value is in the eye of the beholder

tyisny said:

 I wish there was a different example of something like this (because this is going to ruffle feathers) but i legitimately think this is what OP is trying to say in the most simplified manor. We may look at one persons problem and wave it off as something small compared to ours, but the person on the other side dealing with that problem may see that problem as something just as detrimental to their well being.

So using this pic

blk people are legally discriminated against in all social factors vs white people are discriminated against in sexual/ physical factors. Who's to say one plight is more damaging tha the other (This is what I THINK OP is trying to get across)

Also the reason i debated this in the Ferguson thread is because you used this when speaking on blacks upbringing in this country against whites upbringing in this country, and after this quote i want to touch on that topic also.

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This is exactly what I'm am saying my dude. Your dead on.

But I definitely didn't use it in speaking on blacks upbrining against whites. That is totally untrue.

I basically said the grass isnt greener on the other side. Become anything other than what you are right now, and your problems right now go away, but bet your bottom dollar they are replaced with a whole new set of problems.

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Its all perception, It's all a different reality for each and every individual on Planet Earth. Beauty and value is in the eye of the beholder

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This is where you begin to lose people fam. You understand what's wrong with this constructivism right? Why try and tell people to internalize generations of marginalization and horror on every front of life from social, political, historical, medical, institutional into a little quip.

Here in America it's safe to say that ALL people want equal chances at employment, housing, education, access to political knowledge etc. You cannot make the statement, "NO ONE MAN HAS IT HARDER THAN THE NEXT" without mentioning equality. 'Having it harder' is historically entangled with equality and so far you've said nothing to contribute that discussion. And bruh you mentioned the advantages of being Black, Mexican, Asian? ( I won't speak on Asian marginalization, not my focus) You understand how at every corner in life for CENTURIES communities of color have been dismantled and treated as dirt and how it all plays a part in power dynamics today?

You're right though about one thing, it also adds nothingthe solution to dream if you were white
You're also right there is of course beauty in being Black, Latino, Asian. But many others & I feel this isn't the way to go about spreading your message bruh

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Isn't that like a dead *** serious show?

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Pic is obviously shopped.

It isn't a question whether one situation is better than the other. It's about how well a person can handle a situation. If person A loses a person in their life who is very important but has a lot of deaths in their life, that may affect them how they react where as person B who has never lost anyone will take it much harder. Both have lost somebody but who has it harder? They both equally hurt but the way we take it is different.

It's all about experiences. A poor kid may have more meaningful experiences in his life than a rich guy.

No matter what the situation it is important as people not to judge and think that just because somebody might have it better actually mean they do.

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a-friend said:

Its all perception, It's all a different reality for each and every individual on Planet Earth. Beauty and value is in the eye of the beholder

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This is where you begin to lose people fam. You understand what's wrong with this constructivism right? Why try and tell people to internalize generations of marginalization and horror on every front of life from social, political, historical, medical, institutional into a little quip.

You cannot make the statement, "NO ONE MAN HAS IT HARDER THAN THE NEXT" without mentioning equality.
'Having it harder' is historically entangled with equality and so far you've said nothing to contribute that discussion.


And bruh you mentioned the advantages of being Black, Mexican, Asian?

You're right though about one thing, it also adds nothingthe solution to dream if you were white
You're also right there is of course beauty in being Black, Latino, Asian. But many others & I feel this isn't the way to go about spreading your message bruh

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I didn't post what I said to "spread a message" I said it because this is what I believe. I'm not forcing my belief on anyone or trying to get people to buy into what I feel, this thread was started in order to try and explain why I feel that way, but not to change you guys mind. That's not the intent.

It was a statement about how I feel, and not everybody is going to agree. Like many things in life equality never enters into the equation, and bringing it up in this instance strongly sidetracks the topic IMO.
So to believe this can't be discussed without mentioning equality, just tells me that the two go hand in hand for you, and I won't debate that because it's trivial in this instance to me personally, if that makes sense.

It is a little Dramatic that you did say "And Bruh you mentioned the ADVANTAGES of being Black, Mexican, Asian?"

You type that like if your in one of those racial groups that you have NO ADVANTAGES at all, and are only at a disadvantage!
Surely that is not what you are saying is it heatpinoyboy ?

Pdino said:

Black person has to work twice as hard to achieve same level of success..? 

Reference please

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Me: working since I was 14. 1-3 jobs at all times through undergrad 2-3 jobs in grad school

White kid at school: literally never had a job in his life.

Both will have the same degree.

Who worked harder?

2 other things.

1. You are posting to convience people to believe like you, I refuse to accept this cop out anymore.

2. Have an opinion, ******* stand by it until proven wrong. Tired of this 'trying to keep the peace' have some intellectual balls.

TSX24 said:

It isn't a question whether one situation is better than the other. It's about how well a person can handle a situation. If person A loses a person in their life who is very important but has a lot of deaths in their life, that may affect them how they react where as person B who has never lost anyone will take it much harder. Both have lost somebody but who has it harder? They both equally hurt but the way we take it is different.

It's all about experiences. A poor kid may have more meaningful experiences in his life than a rich guy.

No matter what the situation it is important as people not to judge and think that just because somebody might have it better actually mean they do.

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Right.
Just because you perceive someone's situation as better or worse than yours, doesn't make it so.

SuperAntigen said:

Google the following, "Employers Prefer White Felons Over Blacks With No Criminal Record".



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I read over the article, then read the study conducted

2003 : "The study found that whites with felonies were more likely to be called for interviews than black applicants without criminal records." This study takes 2 black (1 "with criminal record, one clean) men and 2 white men (one criminal record, one clean) and has them apply to several jobs in Milwaukee(Long history of racism, CURRENT segregation). The black man with a clean record received 14% call-back, while the white felon received 17% call-back. If I were to be critical of this article, I would want a much BIGGER sample size, with more than ONE state involved.

Employment discrimination is well-documented, and a sad reality in this backwards world we live in today. To make the statement that African-Americans have to work twice as hard to achieve same level of success is an exaggeration. 

am1x90xnike said:

Me: working since I was 14. 1-3 jobs at all times through undergrad 2-3 jobs in grad school

White kid at school: literally never had a job in his life.

Both will have the same degree.

Who worked harder?

2 other things.

1. You are posting to convience people to believe like you, I refuse to accept this cop out anymore.

2. Have an opinion, ******* stand by it until proven wrong. Tired of this 'trying to keep the peace' have some intellectual balls.

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Then you have gained valuable work experience, WORKING through college. It will be on your resume when you graduate, while the white kid will hear that he needs more experience. Using one personal experience... Not gonna delve too deep into this.

a-friend said:

 
These two things can NOT be compared from YOUR view and here is why. The view of what is deemed a high quality of life is going to differ from the Sarasota and Indian man with birth defects.   

The sarasota guy is going to need, money, shoes, fast cars big houses

The India guy is going to have a total different Reality all together of what is deemed "hard" or valuable or a high quality of life.

Each Persons perception of what is, it what their reality is.

Same as why you can't assume a man born blind has it worse than you. Just because you know the feeling of sight and enjoy it, does not mean he cares to have it, for he can't miss what he never had.

But here is the odd thing, this isn't a case of being right or wrong.

It's all perception, and that is reality, and that is what creates each iindividuals definition of what's "hard" 

It all balances out in each individuals mind. You can't tell the richest man in the World that he doesn't have it "hard" or have problems, because you can't fathom what another man's struggle is. We all have the capacity only because of the ability to adapt, to accept things for what they are and live inside or outside that particular box.

Based on your own understanding you would think the Black kid had it harder. It's really not about the statistics as to that Particular black kids ability to accept the situation, adapt to it and again live within or beyond those parameters. The discrimination is there, and the strength this Black kid will gain from having to overcome odds that were stacked against him, will very much benefit him in another aspect of his life, particularly when competing against whites who has a "easier" route to get there. Pain and Struggle is never in vain. With struggle comes progress, and that is worth ALOT my dude.

I wasn't actually using it in that way though. 

The point was when I said it to the poster in the Ferguson thread was this: "why concern yourself with what it would be like to live WHite, not only is it not a possiblity but, Instead try celebrating the advantages you have for being Born Black, or Asian, or Mexican. Control the things that you can, and the things you can't control, don't bother yourself with them. And the  dude wondered how easy it would be if he were white as opposed to Black, that should never enter your mind, because it's impossible

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Let's take example of a African American female slave. From a young age she is treated very poorly: starving, beaten, raped, works for no $, family members killed. While this is her normal life, and she perceives it as normal for her, she STILL comes to the conclusion that this life SUCKS. While she cannot miss the freedom that she has never had, and she accepts things for what they are. She thinks about her life objectively, and concludes it IS harder than the next.

Why discount ones personal experience? It's all we have. We try to find 'object' articles and articles which were all shaped by the authors 'experience' or perspective or confirmation bias or what have you. I know people who write these articles, hell, I'm working on getting one published myself.

But, you need references, here's one. I had to work, three times as hard, three times as many hours, three times as many weekends given up, dates missed, family moments missed. I was scrubbing floors and toilets, so yea, great work experience.

You want to say 'it's far fetched' it's my reality. I go to school with people who have never worked, while I'm serving them pad Thai, sitting in more debt and missing out on great times. You know what it's like sitting in class with someone you just SERVED? ***** a mind ****.

No man has it harder than the next...last time you came home without lights on? Last time you went to bed hungry? Last friend you lost to drugs? Last family member you lost to aids? Cancer? Gang violence?

And you know what? I walk round smiling all day cuz I can touch people worse off than I am.

Get your head outta your *** and count your blessings.

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Let's take example of a African American female slave. From a young age she is treated very poorly: starving, beaten, raped, works for no $, family members killed. While this is her normal life, and she perceives it as normal for her, she STILL comes to the conclusion that this life SUCKS. While she cannot miss the freedom that she has never had, and she accepts things for what they are. She thinks about her life objectively, and concludes it IS harder than the next.

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This is the best example or argument I've heard so far as to why my statement is UNTRUE.
Though slavery doesn't exist In America anymore therefore making this comparison a little wild, I can't help but acknowledge how right you are in so many ways here.
I'm sure slavery or such as similar still exists somewhere in the World even though it may not affect us here in the US or many countries, my initial post was speaking directly to a black kid wanting to be white in America, it still doesn't negate the fact that my post was initially encompassing the World as a whole.

Good post man, you've definitely given me something to wrap my head around, not to disprove but more so to accept and take in and think about what kind of context I apply this "no one man had it harder" the next time I decide to use it. It is likely this can't be a true statement if I'm to use it as an all encompassing statement, I can accept that for sure.

Repped

Things can always be worse.

am1x90xnike As far as your personal situation in having to work harder to only end up at the same place as your white counterpart is not saying you have it harder.

While you did work harder, you learned and now possess a work ethic, resume and problem solving skills that your white counterpart did not.

Though on the surface you did work harder in theory, it wasn't work in vain and you shall surely reap the rewards of that particular experience you went through, and in my mind, giving you a step up.

You're full of **** with this bs. This asinine , naive, n wrong. What about kids sold into slavery? Kidnapped n forced to fight for the ones that kidnapped them? Forced to be drug mules? Forced to live in a war zone? Born into complete poverty? You can't possibly be live this, can you? Are you so privileged n sheltered that the world's ills are inconceivable to you? Are you so naive that you cannot fathom the possibility of someone actually living a harder life than you, or anyone else for that matter?

It is this way of thinking that keeps us from progressing as a whole. The entire basis of this perspective is complete n utter bull****. If this was the indeed the case, why undertake humanitarian projects? What is the purpose of charity, since according to you it will all work itself out in the end? Open your eyes, there are ****d up things happening all the time. To say no one has it harder than the next is a slap , no it is spitting in the face of those living in a situation truly harrowing.

No disrespect, but **** you!

My dads an alcoholic in Mississippi...his dads a multimillionaire lawyer...how do I not have it harder?

If that's not what 'having it harder' means ie you have to work harder, you don't have as much, your safety net is non existent...then please define 'having it harder'

And I don't care what 'step up' you think I have, point blank period, even if I had better grades, he ALREADY has a 80K a year job, because of his father, because of his experiences, so tell me more about my 'step up' over him.

Why try to spin it? I'm glad I went through what I went through, it gives me personal character, but trust that ish don't matter in the real world. There is no way I'd say his life was 'hard' as mine, I'm not bitter but this attitude semi annoys me. This false equality bs, this 'your struggle gave you an advantage' nonsense...he was born with the world, I have to fight for it.

Like honestly, I have the potential to have experienced every tax bracket in 26 years of life. I've made opportunities others couldn't dream of. I've also been given things in life I can never fully appreciate. So long as I keep a solid perspective, realize my blessing and know I DO have to work twice as hard, I'll make it eventually. I just gotta see the world for what it is and push forward until I can change it.