AJ XXX (30)

I want a clean aesthetic. Nice premium leather/thick suede, basically a shoe that looks like it's from 89 but the tech of today. New Balance is doing this and doing well. All of Kanyes shoes follow that simple blueprint & effortless style, and clean, modern lines. Perfect example is the 29 dressed in premium
Black leather, looks damn nice.
 
I think for these shoes to look good aesthetically, Tinker needs to step aside and allow for a young designer who grew up being a fan of the series to step in. Let me try to relate this with star wars. You see, the main problem with the star wars prequils being terrible, is that George Lucas directed them. You can tell this new 2015 star wars film is going to be good becuase of JJ Abrams, a major childhood fan of star wars, has the knowledge and knows what the fans want perspective. Same thing with jordans. Tinkers been putting out garbage after garbage. I want a new style shoes with height of the 4s and accents of new tech. I want really thin nubuck to return. These old guys keep trying to find new formulas and wind up overduing it. Like George Lucas with CGI and tinker with really high high tops. Keep it simple stupid.
 
^I agree with the concept of your idea but not the whole statement. I think even Tinker and JB knows that Tinker can't continue to be the lead on designs at this point of his career as well as introducing new designs and their ideas going forward. The concept for the XX8 was nice but the execution of the actual product took a lot of warming up to. The concept for the XX9 wasn't as fluid as the XX8 but turn into a very nice product that was visually pleasing as well as performed well, they just didn't do what I thought they could have with the new tech they introduced which could be because they planned to go all out on the XXX (30). I'm with you just get back to basics and simple concept. The biggest problem is how do you tell the ae sorry 30 different times with it being in ovation when the main character has been removed for almost half the line. Westbrook embodies on court most of the excitement that MJ brought night in and night out early in his career. Continue to build on that and link the two legacies and I think the product would be what we all expect for JB. Just my two cents..
 
AYE I WORK AT FOOTLOCKER IN NEBRASKA AND WE GOT THE JORDAN XXX ALREADY

LET ME tell you what they look like

They look like the JORDAN 1
But instead of leather
It's Flyknit

Boooooooom
 
U have no idea what u are talking about. There is a pack releasing, that include the 1 done up in flyknit. U think that retailers are receiving the sneakers yet we haven't seen any sort of photo?
 
druxanexcel said:
AYE I WORK AT FOOTLOCKER IN NEBRASKA AND WE GOT THE JORDAN XXX ALREADY

LET ME tell you what they look like

They look like the JORDAN 1
But instead of leather
It's Flyknit

Boooooooom
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 good one bruh
 
I always thought it would be interesting if JB released all of their previous models but with current technology. For example, throw in full-length stacked zoom air into the Jordan V sole and give it a thick cut of durabuck / leather. They do that and they would end up with one of the best basketball shoes for that year. And that could be there new model for the year.
 
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NobleKane said:
Were they the jumbo jumpman version or the regular jumpman version?

The jumbo jumpman with the cut off leg and the air jordan 2010's glory hole on the side is perhaps two of the worst jordan designs ever
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Yeah the Infrared pair.

I don't even pay attention to that stuff. The silhouette and colorway are nice enough to wear the Jumpman is really just a blur to me. And it's a ball shoe. Performs like I want it to so no complaints from me.
 
airdhazzal said:
I think for these shoes to look good aesthetically, Tinker needs to step aside and allow for a young designer who grew up being a fan of the series to step in. Let me try to relate this with star wars. You see, the main problem with the star wars prequils being terrible, is that George Lucas directed them. You can tell this new 2015 star wars film is going to be good becuase of JJ Abrams, a major childhood fan of star wars, has the knowledge and knows what the fans want perspective. Same thing with jordans. Tinkers been putting out garbage after garbage. I want a new style shoes with height of the 4s and accents of new tech. I want really thin nubuck to return. These old guys keep trying to find new formulas and wind up overduing it. Like George Lucas with CGI and tinker with really high high tops. Keep it simple stupid.
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I agree with you about asthetics but I think the newer synthetic materials perform better than nubuck/synthetic leather, etc. That said, maybe it's time JB follows what Nike is doing with Kobe, KD, & Lebron's lines and release "EXT" cws of the XXX's. To me, this is how you hit both the performance basketball market AND the casual wear market.
 
justed381 said:
I always thought it would be interesting if JB released all of their previous models but with current technology. For example, throw in full-length stacked zoom air into the Jordan V sole and give it a thick cut of durabuck / leather. They do that and they would end up with one of the best basketball shoes for that year. And that could be there new model for the year.
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Uh they did this already (with slight redesign) and it failed miserably... Retros are lifestyle shoes, not performance shoes.

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StaffSgtDignam said:
Uh they did this already (with slight redesign) and it failed miserably... Retros are lifestyle shoes, not performance shoes.









That's not what I am talking about. Those are horrible. I am saying they should find a way to maintain the aesthetic look of the model and simultaneously upgrade the technology in a way that is inconspicuous to the user.
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StaffSgtDignam said:
Uh they did this already (with slight redesign) and it failed miserably... Retros are lifestyle shoes, not performance shoes.









That's not what I am talking about. Those are horrible. I am saying they should find a way to maintain the aesthetic look of the model and simultaneously upgrade the technology in a way that is inconspicuous to the user.
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Good idea, however maintaining aesthetics while improving the tech in an old shoe, cant really happen. The older jordans didn't really have any technology. Look at the air jordan III. The only technology in that shoe was visible air. The IV had an anti-ankle-roll strap. The V got rid of the strap and kept the idea of the mesh for ventilation but fleshed that idea out more into the plastic mesh on the sides and tongue. So ventilation was the main tech in the V. The AJ VI main tech was the way to put the shoe on with the tongue and back tab and also the beginning of huarache technology that was fully reached in the VII. What was an complete innovation back then as a new technology in a new shoe today, is hugely insignificant and really offers nothing. What Air Jordan's did was in effect invent the idea and standard of improving technology in a basketball shoe.

I agree with airdhazzal that whats happening with Jordan's is akin to what happened with star wars. Although my opinion is that it specifically has to do with technology and how products are made and also at points money.

The og Star wars was made using imagination. They had to literally invent CGI to make the movie. They also had to make all the sets and costumes by hand. Any of the settings were shot on location: ROTJ desert scens were shot on location in an actual desert. They weren't shot in/on a green screen. So star Wars invented cgi to help make the unbelievable and the almost unimaginable believable. Because of the fact that they had to use their imagination and actually create by hand most of what you see, there is a magic that the makers of SW captured that will almost never happen again. And with that, those movies will forever have a huge presence in pop culture, American culture, and the cinematic universe.

What the SW sequels did was rely almost completely on CGI for everything visual. There's a sterility, or lack of human touch that is certainly missing from the prequels that the OG's captured. That humanistic quality is where the magic lies! Also, horribly written scripts made and wrote for a huge cash payout. If your main goal is to make money, whatever product is being made will no doubt be unsuccessful. It will be infinitely soulless!!

With all the new and advanced technology that goes into making a new Jordan sig. shoe, that magic, that humanistic quality, that use of the imagination goes away. Most of the focus goes into making the technology that makes the shoe. Then whatever designs they come up with are made on a computer. Even Tinker now bases the new Jordan on sketches on an ipad!! All that's left is the sterility and cash grab of a soulless product.

Look at the XX9!!! THE WORST DESIGNS almost ever!! What did they really do? JB slapped a big jumpman on the side! They even had such lack of imagination with no creative ideas that they based some of the designs on elephant print! Designs that were created over 20 YEARS AGO! The shoe might be awesome to play in but design wise, its certainly rating at about a 0!

PLUS the real equalizer, the real intangible where a lot of that magic the retros had/have is that Michael himself played in them. Now he's retired and can't be seen wearing his new shoes!!!

JB really needs to find a way to capture the synergystic qualities of  technology and creativity or else their new shoes will never be as popular as the retros!
 
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StaffSgtDignam said:
I agree with you about asthetics but I think the newer synthetic materials perform better than nubuck/synthetic leather, etc. That said, maybe it's time JB follows what Nike is doing with Kobe, KD, & Lebron's lines and release "EXT" cws of the XXX's. To me, this is how you hit both the performance basketball market AND the casual wear market.
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GREAT IDEA!
 
Part of the issue now is that there is too much innovation, technology and "pushing of the envelope" especially when they try to throw everything "new" into the same shoe. JB just needs to step back and attempt to create an aesthetically pleasing shoe that performs well and is durable. Why they deviated from that design model I will never know.
 
Might as well give the folks what they want performance wise since the shoe hasn't looked good aesthetically in a long time. Honestly, design is such a hit or miss thing today. I think the issue with the XX9 is the price/performance price point faced tough competition from Brand Black and UA. If the XX9 at least had some aesthetical charm, folks wouldn't wait for the shoes to hit discount/outlets. Besides the initial TO and the 1,000 produced Photoreels, the shoes pretty much sat. Doesn't help that retros generate far more interest.

Nike still has design juice/cache (Flyknit racer, Roshe, Kobe 9, Yeezy 2, etc).
 
I am pretty sure the XXX will be another sock with a sole and just like @NobleKane said somehow they will remove any Zoom or Air all together and will try to convince us that is the best and is revolutionary, lowering the weight and all that other BS, but charge more than $250 at the same time. The last flagship Jordan I bought was the 2011 and IMO the last "real" pair with leather and technology that you can actually touch and feel. 
 
I foresee that they'll put some kind of air back in the heel; not having it there in the XX9 was a damn tragedy.  If I were to ever meet Tinker, I would ask him:  "Why did you remove visible air after the 6?"  And..."Do you really believe removing air in the heel of the XX9 really made for a better performing shoe?  If so, why put air in the heel of any performance basketball shoe?"
 
trentbg said:
I am pretty sure the XXX will be another sock with a sole and just like @NobleKane said somehow they will remove any Zoom or Air all together and will try to convince us that is the best and is revolutionary, lowering the weight and all that other BS, but charge more than $250 at the same time. The last flagship Jordan I bought was the 2011 and IMO the last "real" pair with leather and technology that you can actually touch and feel. 
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One of the few industries where you can deliver the least amount of product at the highest possible price with little to no repercussion from the customer. :smh:
 
PWGuy said:
I foresee that they'll put some kind of air back in the heel; not having it there in the XX9 was a damn tragedy.  If I were to ever meet Tinker, I would ask him:  "Why did you remove visible air after the 6?"  And..."Do you really believe removing air in the heel of the XX9 really made for a better performing shoe?  If so, why put air in the heel of any performance basketball shoe?"
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The air not being in the heel of the XX9 didn't change performance one bit. The foam that was used is very plush and who plays on their heels anyway. The XX9 is the best performance shoe out now. The XX8 I think has a better bounce to the zoom in the front and the foam in the back of the XX9 feels better than the zoom in the XX8.
 
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JsonMyFeetz said:
The air not being in the heel of the XX9 didn't change performance one bit. The foam that was used is very plush and who plays on their heels anyway. The XX9 is the best performance shoe out now. The XX8 I think has a better bounce to the zoom in the front and the foam in the back of the XX9 feels better than the zoom in the XX8.
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That may very well be the case, however, if so, that undermines the value of their "Air" branding....and doesn't reflect well on "Air Jordan" even though Air does remain in the forefoot.
 
PWGuy said:
That may very well be the case, however, if so, that undermines the value of their "Air" branding....and doesn't reflect well on "Air Jordan" even though Air does remain in the forefoot.
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Listen to what you just said......................................
 
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