Donald Trump is running for president

Brownstone · May 24, 2016

blco02 said:
Exactly. Economist after economist has admitted that this economy is in bad shape and the growth is anemic. Without the artificial measures the Fed has taken to prop the economy up, things would be a real disaster.

Artificial measures? You mean like trickle down economics and essentially our current tax code? Can I see these economist''s after economist's staking these claims?

Listen, I am about as independent as they come, I'm not even "liberal" on a lot of social issues, and I am certainly liberal on some financial ones. I can't stand Hillary, never could, she seems as fake as can be, a neocon and she is unwilling to admit mistakes she's made. All recipe's for disaster.

But I can not be a hypocrite and support a candidate who took initial positions I loved: Not bending over for Israel, calling out wall street, gun control, and even his opponent, and since flipped on all of these issues. (Trump)

The biggest issue of all for me, is the refusal of congress to act on the Supreme Court Nominee, will be voting for the boys in blue.

By more than four to one (77% to 18%), those with postgraduate degrees say the Senate should hold hearings and vote on Obama’s nominee, rather than delaying action until the next president fills the court vacancy. Majorities of those with college degrees (60%) and some college experience (55%) also favor the Senate acting on Obama’s choice for the high court.

http://www.people-press.org/2016/02/22/majority-of-public-wants-senate-to-act-on-obamas-court-nominee/

tekthemaestro · May 24, 2016

ninjahood said:
Obama has been hostile to da fossil fuel industry...oil production has spiked IN SPITE of him...what part of that DONT you understand?

Da US is a SUPER power...OF COURSE we're gonna outspend other countries in da military...we DEFEND DA WHOLE WORLD...

We make deals to protect other countries, so they dont spend nearly what we do to militarize..its common sense.

Da sad thing about ya is ya ONLY defense is ya attempt to discredit da messenger, instead of dealing with da reality that da economy is in da **** can.

You didn't prove what said wrong in da dumb meme at all either

Ninjatroll used confusion..... it was ineffective.

Long post and you extracted 1 stanza to debate. And even then you did exactly what I called you out on.

I didn't ask you why we spend so much on military. I said, "So because we spend more money elsewhere, that invalidates we still spend more than the next 8 countries on military?"

You clearly didn't get the question. I'll rephrase:

Does the US spend more on its military, than the next 8 countries combined? Yes or no?

jaysrcrak · May 24, 2016

dude cant spell but you expect him to read?

sea manup · May 24, 2016

JaysRcrak said:
dude cant spell but you expect him to read?

to be fair, I know lots of people who are terrible at spelling but can read just fine

jaysrcrak · May 24, 2016

True. But I dont EXPECT it from them.

blco02 · May 24, 2016

BlackIntellect said:
Artificial measures? You mean like trickle down economics and essentially our current tax code? Can I see these economist''s after economist's staking these claims?

No offense but you're ignorant about the economy if you don't know what the fed has done over the past several years to prop up the economy and the markets. Like I said, they have kept interest rates artificially low and have pumped about $3 trillion into the stock market. Disaster waiting to happen.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/keithweiner/2014/02/28/the-fed-poisons-the-stock-market/#219edf225b29

Brownstone · May 24, 2016

blco02 said:
No offense but you're ignorant about the economy if you don't know what the fed has done over the past several years to prop up the economy and the markets. Like I said, they have kept interest rates artificially low and have pumped about $3 trillion into the stock market. Disaster waiting to happen.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/keithweiner/2014/02/28/the-fed-poisons-the-stock-market/#219edf225b29

None taken, but I question whether you know how the economy works, when using words like "artificial measures"

The Fed Reserve has nothing to do with Obama

Rates are always manipulated artificially, tax code is artificially geared to infuse spending, artificial tactics must be used." Artificial measures" saved Ninjahood's muscle cars, and gas guzzling suv's from the grave.

ninjahood · May 24, 2016

BlackIntellect said:
ninjahood said:

Obama has been hostile to da fossil fuel industry...oil production has spiked IN SPITE of him...what part of that DONT you understand?

Da US is a SUPER power...OF COURSE we're gonna outspend other countries in da military...we DEFEND DA WHOLE WORLD...

We make deals to protect other countries, so they dont spend nearly what we do to militarize..its common sense.

Da sad thing about ya is ya ONLY defense is ya attempt to discredit da messenger, instead of dealing with da reality that da economy is in da **** can.

You didn't prove what said wrong in da dumb meme at all either

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Why do you consider yourself an independent? I'm genuinely interested.

Because i dont fit into da GOP's mantra and this iteration of democrats irrational lurch to da left lost me with their job killing over regulations & government paternalism.

Lets put it like this, Bill Clinton today would be a moderate Republican if he was in today's climate.

ninjahood · May 24, 2016

Does the US spend more on its military, than the next 8 countries combined? Yes or no?

Da premise of your question is laughable.

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Look at da countries on that list...

Saudi Arabia, France, United Kingdom, and Germany are ALL countries we have agreements with to protect so they DONT engage in weapons proliferation and we protect them from other Countries...

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...-by-treaties-to-defend-a-quarter-of-humanity/

thanks to various treaties and deals set up since 1945, the U.S. government might be legally obligated to defend countries containing 25 percent of the world's population

Now Trump said he would either

A. Charge these Countries for protection

B. Let these Countries proliferate on their own and save us $ on da budget...

Neocons & Hillary Clinton caught a tittie attack.

Now match that with..

Budget cuts to slash U.S. Army to smallest since before World War Two....

...Defense Secretary Chuck Hagel, previewing the Pentagon's ideas on how to adapt to government belt-tightening, said the defense budget due out next week would be the first to look beyond 13 years of conflict, shifting away from long-term ground wars like Iraq and Afghanistan.

He cautioned, however, that the country needed to be clear-eyed about the risks posed by lower budget levels, which would challenge the Pentagon to field a smaller yet well-trained force that could cope with any adversary, but might not be able to respond simultaneously to multiple conflicts.

"We ... face the risk of uncertainty in a dynamic and increasingly dangerous security environment," Hagel said. "Budget reductions inevitably reduce the military's margin of error in dealing with these risks, as other powers are continuing to modernize their weapons portfolios."

http://mobile.reuters.com/article/idUSBREA1N1IO20140224

So now what? Cant have world peace without us basically holding **** together, so There goes your silly premise..

:rolleyes

x-alt · May 24, 2016

RustyShackleford said:
Links chart to shade Obama, doesn't even realize it is showing the unemployment spiked during the Great Recession, and had been trending down ever since then

In other words, the job market is recovering under Obama since the Great Recession

You did like you mans Blco and posted a Pro-Obama link by mistake b

Beautiful

Handing all the cred to Obama is kind of like saying FDR got us out of the Depression. Not the easiest to prove. In a nutshell, presidents can either hurt the economic recovery with duct tape solutions (Reagan..) or let it do its thing.

RustyShackleford · May 24, 2016

X-Alt said:
RustyShackleford said:

Links chart to shade Obama, doesn't even realize it is showing the unemployment spiked during the Great Recession, and had been trending down ever since then

In other words, the job market is recovering under Obama since the Great Recession

You did like you mans Blco and posted a Pro-Obama link by mistake b

Beautiful

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Handing all the cred to Obama is kind of like saying FDR got us out of the Depression. Not the easiest to prove. In a nutshell, presidents can either hurt the economic recovery with duct tape solutions (Reagan..) or let it do its thing.

First the thought you were done in general discussing politics and social issues

Second, dude you're coming into this discussion in the 8th inning trying to throw in your input.

I'm not trying to argue any point other than point out Ninja's hypocrisy. If you were following the debate before you would know where we stand in giving president blame or credit for the economy.

cashbanks · May 24, 2016

handullz said:
I work at $10bn investment fund, I teach finance on the side at a university, and have a master's in finance.

I say all that to say this statement is so ridiculously wrong, and you really shouldn't talk about economics without multiple sources and using different opinions.

Not a personal jab either, famb.

Gotta love when

ninjahood just breezes past a reply like this one.... :rofl:

gry60 · May 24, 2016

ninjahood

First of all, the question was a yes/no question, and you answered "why" (as expected).

Secondly, I don't think you realize that defense treaties are NOT one-sided. The currency they deal in is not $$$ but geopolitical influence that can be translated into economic benefits via tariff exemptions, preferential prices for raw materials, and generally an easier exchange of people and goods which benefit the local economies of all involved. By refusing to engage with the international community, Trump will allow Russia and China to expand their sphere of influence, and you'll find yourself paying twice or three times the current price of a made in Vietnam Nike retro in no time.

Here's an example:

http://thediplomat.com/2014/06/no-the-us-japan-security-treaty-isnt-one-sided/

For one thing, the treaty allows the U.S. military to station its troops and dock its ships in Japan, making up the cornerstone of U.S. defense strategy in East Asia. Japan provides space and facilities for more than 50,000 U.S. military and civilian personnel, and pays the U.S. about $2 billion per year to offset the costs. These bases enable U.S. forces to be active in the Asia-Pacific, and can act as a launching point for places as far away as the Persian Gulf.

U.S. troops in Japan act as a stabilizing factor in Asia, which in turn benefits the U.S. economy. American economic engagement with the region is critical for U.S. economic growth. The Asia-Pacific is the world’s most vibrant economic region, accounting for roughly half of the world’s gross domestic product (GDP). According to an April 2013 report by the Asia-Pacific Economic Cooperation forum, the region boasted the world’s highest GDP growth rate between 2010 and 2012.

Since the end of the Cold War, Japan has been taking on a more active role in the alliance. The two countries have cooperated on everything from developing joint missile defense systems to building response strategies to threats posed by North Korea. The countries have expanded the scope of their work together in Iraq and Afghanistan, economic development, and even combating climate change. The Japan Self Defense Force (JSDF) is on the ground in Africa and the Middle East, assisting in the global effort to promote peace. In Afghanistan, Japan spent $5 billion to help train police officers, rehabilitate demobilized fighters, and build schools and roads – a major contribution toward the shared interest in a stable and peaceful Afghanistan.

Trump's idea of charging other countries to use US power under the threat of playing the isolationism card ignores that:

- it's already happening

- it is a different version of the hawkish attitude that has not served this country well since the end of the cold war

- it puts America's relationship with the rest of the world, its influence, and its future interests at risk.

ninjahood · May 24, 2016

CashBanks said:
handullz said:

I work at $10bn investment fund, I teach finance on the side at a university, and have a master's in finance.

I say all that to say this statement is so ridiculously wrong, and you really shouldn't talk about economics without multiple sources and using different opinions.

Not a personal jab either, famb.

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Gotta love when ninjahood just breezes past a reply like this one....

Its EZpass status cuz...

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/ar...my_is_bad_clintons_would_be_worse_130445.html

expanded at an anemic rate of just 0.5 percent in the first three months of the year. It was the worst showing in two years and the third straight quarterly decline in economic growth.

The millions of Americans who continue to struggle in the Obama economy have been held hostage by this persistently weak growth. In fact, not only is the so-called “recovery” the weakest since the 1930s, Obama is on pace to become the first U.S. president in history to have never presided over a full year of growth averaging at least 3 percent. Add in the fact that the middle class continues to shrink while wages continue to stagnate, and Obama will likely leave office with one of the worst economic records of any president.

ninjahood · May 24, 2016

Gry60 said:
ninjahood

First of all, the question was a yes/no question, and you answered "why" (as expected).

Secondly, I don't think you realize that defense treaties are NOT one-sided. The currency they deal in is not $$$ but geopolitical influence that can be translated into economic benefits via tariff exemptions, preferential prices for raw materials, and generally an easier exchange of people and goods which benefit the local economies of all involved. By refusing to engage with the international community, Trump will allow Russia and China to expand their sphere of influence, and you'll find yourself paying twice or three times the current price of a made in Vietnam Nike retro in no time.

Here's an example:

http://thediplomat.com/2014/06/no-the-us-japan-security-treaty-isnt-one-sided/

For one thing, the treaty allows the U.S. military to station its troops and dock its ships in Japan, making up the cornerstone of U.S. defense strategy in East Asia. Japan provides space and facilities for more than 50,000 U.S. military and civilian personnel, and pays the U.S. about $2 billion per year to offset the costs. These bases enable U.S. forces to be active in the Asia-Pacific, and can act as a launching point for places as far away as the Persian Gulf.

Click to expand...

U.S. troops in Japan act as a stabilizing factor in Asia, which in turn benefits the U.S. economy. American economic engagement with the region is critical for U.S. economic growth. The Asia-Pacific is the world’s most vibrant economic region, accounting for roughly half of the world’s gross domestic product (GDP). According to an April 2013 report by the Asia-Pacific Economic Cooperation forum, the region boasted the world’s highest GDP growth rate between 2010 and 2012.

Click to expand...

Since the end of the Cold War, Japan has been taking on a more active role in the alliance. The two countries have cooperated on everything from developing joint missile defense systems to building response strategies to threats posed by North Korea. The countries have expanded the scope of their work together in Iraq and Afghanistan, economic development, and even combating climate change. The Japan Self Defense Force (JSDF) is on the ground in Africa and the Middle East, assisting in the global effort to promote peace. In Afghanistan, Japan spent $5 billion to help train police officers, rehabilitate demobilized fighters, and build schools and roads – a major contribution toward the shared interest in a stable and peaceful Afghanistan.

Click to expand...

Trump's idea of charging other countries to use US power under the threat of playing the isolationism card ignores that:

- it's already happening

- it is a different version of the hawkish attitude that has not served this country well since the end of the cold war

- it puts America's relationship with the rest of the world, its influence, and its future interests at risk.

So homeboy needs to stop complaining about our military spending..cuz its either we're da World's Police or nah.

gry60 · May 24, 2016

So homeboy needs to stop complaining about our military spending..cuz its either we're da World's Police or nah.

You're missing the nuance here.

What we are spending on defense is detrimental to our other national priorities because we are neglecting the internal state the country in order to project might abroad. As a result, we have a less educated, less healthy, and more indebted population than other developed nations. Our aggressive approach to foreign policy (promoted by the MIC) is turning the country into an iron giant with clay ankles.

What we need is to redefine our foreign policy in a way that advances our international interests without having to rely on military action as the first option.

diego · May 24, 2016

Gry60 said:
So homeboy needs to stop complaining about our military spending..cuz its either we're da World's Police or nah.

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You're missing the nuance here.

What we are spending on defense is detrimental to our other national priorities because we are neglecting the internal state the country in order to project might abroad. As a result, we have a less educated, less healthy, and more indebted population than other developed nations. Our aggressive approach to foreign policy (promoted by the MIC) is turning the country into an iron giant with clay ankles.

What we need is to redefine our foreign policy in a way that advances our international interests without having to rely on military action as the first option.

whywesteppin said:
He does that with every issue. I know what he's trying to say, but he always leaves himself an out in case he gets called out. So he ends up making contradictory statements all the time.

But ninjahood isn't the one talking about military spending.
It's the left that has repeatedly mentioned the fact that our spending is bigger than the next 8 nations or whatever it is.

I'm not saying I disagree with you about we should find other ways to leverage things rather than military action but again...ninjahood is not the one bringing up the military spending issues.

harlemtothebronx · May 24, 2016

ninjahood said:
CashBanks said:

handullz said:

I work at $10bn investment fund, I teach finance on the side at a university, and have a master's in finance.

I say all that to say this statement is so ridiculously wrong, and you really shouldn't talk about economics without multiple sources and using different opinions.

Not a personal jab either, famb.

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Gotta love when @ninjahood just breezes past a reply like this one....

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Its EZpass status cuz...

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/ar...my_is_bad_clintons_would_be_worse_130445.html

expanded at an anemic rate of just 0.5 percent in the first three months of the year. It was the worst showing in two years and the third straight quarterly decline in economic growth.

The millions of Americans who continue to struggle in the Obama economy have been held hostage by this persistently weak growth. In fact, not only is the so-called “recovery” the weakest since the 1930s, Obama is on pace to become the first U.S. president in history to have never presided over a full year of growth averaging at least 3 percent. Add in the fact that the middle class continues to shrink while wages continue to stagnate, and Obama will likely leave office with one of the worst economic records of any president.

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You do know I could find a quote defending literally every point of view on the internet, right?

You dismiss any information that doesn't support your argument regardless of how qualified the messenger.

gry60 · May 24, 2016

ninjahood said:
TEKtheMAESTRO said:

Nike Jordan said:

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It's like they don't see posts like these. Completely ignore them.

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-military spending is what keeps us safe and it isn't even da top 3 we spend on our budget, that would be our entitlement programs.

ninjahood · May 24, 2016

HarlemToTheBronx said:
ninjahood said:

CashBanks said:

handullz said:

I work at $10bn investment fund, I teach finance on the side at a university, and have a master's in finance.

I say all that to say this statement is so ridiculously wrong, and you really shouldn't talk about economics without multiple sources and using different opinions.

Not a personal jab either, famb.

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Gotta love when [@=https://niketalk.com/members/37343"Im ignoring"...

Gry60 said:

So homeboy needs to stop complaining about our military spending..cuz its either we're da World's Police or nah.

Click to expand...

You're missing the nuance here.

What we are spending on defense is detrimental to our other national priorities because we are neglecting the internal state the country in order to project might abroad. As a result, we have a less educated, less healthy, and more indebted population than other developed nations. Our aggressive approach to foreign policy (promoted by the MIC) is turning the country into an iron giant with clay ankles.

What we need is to redefine our foreign policy in a way that advances our international interests without having to rely on military action as the first option.

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Da only thing people respect is power...

Whats stoppin any of ya from just breaking into a jewelry store & yanking a few cubans? Its called those nice young men wit shot guns
At da door...besides i aint da one lacking nuance when your man poses military spending as a yes or no question

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harlemtothebronx · May 24, 2016

There is middle ground, ninjahood. It's not either straight up dismiss everything or ignore them. You cherry pick quotes from articles you google.

You need to take notice. The Internet is a pit of confirmation bias and you're falling right in.

ninjahood · May 24, 2016

HarlemToTheBronx said:
There is middle ground, ninjahood. It's not either straight up dismiss everything or ignore them. You cherry pick quotes from articles you google.

You need to take notice. The Internet is a pit of confirmation bias and you're falling right in.

Im not da one making it a black & white issue..and i read entire articles of what i cite, its not my job to tell you to CLICK da link so u can get da jist of my point is that u seem u only browse what i post & ignore da article.

Without me & a couple others, this thread turns into a Trump piñata, so take advantage of seeing both view points while ur on here...

i got multiple Democratic/Republican/ liberal/conservative/libertarian news sources on deck at all times..thats da only way u avoid what you mischaracterized as a "echo chamber."

SC kid · May 24, 2016

Altho im not a fan of trump i agree both points of views are very necessary.

deleted · May 24, 2016

ninjahood said:
Without me & a couple others, this thread turns into a Trump piñata, so take advantage of seeing both view points while ur on here...

This is true

But that's not an excuse for the intellectual dishonestly that is exercised on your part

Belgium · May 24, 2016

If you read entire articles you cite, why have you cited several in which the content of the article did not support or contradict the point you were trying to make? If you are in fact reading these articles in full, you're doing it wrong.

It's good to have multiple points of view but constant intellectual dishonesty kind of defeats the whole point. You're incapable of giving direct answers to questions, don't concede to anything at all even when blatantly wrong and make constant use of deflection and strawman fallacies.

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