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let him answer bruh. He's known for ignorance on this forum. Wanna see what's "really" behind his statement. You sure you wanna ride the train with this fool?
Could society function better if there were restrictions on who could have kids?
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I think so. Because I know plenty of individuals who shouldnt procreate.
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NTers are always so quick to be confrontational. I don't understand how you read his post and came to that conclusion, but it's whatever, dude.
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You're an outlier. The track record under the same circumstances is not good. Don't attempt to justify thousands of children born into bad situations based on your own personal experience.
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That's like a big slap in the face to god. You can't control who is or isn't getting pregnant. You can control who KEEPS the baby, which we already do.
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That's like a big slap in the face to human rights. You can't tell someone not to have a baby. You can control who KEEPS the baby, which we already do.
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That's like a big slap in the face to human rights. You can't tell someone not to have a baby. You can control who KEEPS the baby, which we already do.
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Nah, don't take away their right to have kids.
But if they fail at being parents, give them that sweet chin music.
Too many parents running around killing their kids, being irresponsible, and all this other stuff.
Just chin check them, take their kids away..
But if they fail at being parents, give them that sweet chin music.
Too many parents running around killing their kids, being irresponsible, and all this other stuff.
Just chin check them, take their kids away..
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that's so obviously not what I said
People that are actively on welfare clearly cannot support themselves, let alone another human. Just putting more strain on taxpayers.
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Not everybody takes advantage of the system. Life is more valuable than dollar signs. This whole prejudice movement towards people with kids and kids itself, is just another scenario/idea where govt/corporations use to make more money. You and others on this thread took that bait hard or you're parents sucked at raising you.that's so obviously not what I said
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My only problem with this idea, which I see eventually becoming a very real possibility.
US politics are already so shot putting this decision making power in the hands of a bunch of old white dudes doesn't make me even remotely comfortable.
Religion is for the birds, could care less what someone's scripture said.. We will breed ourselves out of existence unless we take personal accountability in the present to ensure our future.
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The debate is that people feel less people with a higher quality of life is better than more people with a lower quality of life
Really now.
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Well, let's say this situation actually does happen, you need to realize that people and equality have never and will never coexist. Social class, eat, have always been a part of the human race. Someone has to be on the bottom, it's human nature. With that said, the answer is no, we wouldn't be better off. Things would be the same in a different way
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Yes, really..
I feel that corporations nowadays cater hardcore to the whole "individualism" state of mind and it's pathetic.
And.... **** all that higher/lower quality bs talk. Just keep it honest and funky, yoplait. People with money don't like people with no money....
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Ok buddy
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People love to talk about personal welfare but blatantly ignore corporate welfare
Well off people and "companies" are leeching way more than people on government assistance but they're too stupid/blind to realize that fact.
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Nah, only the rich and middle class should be able to procreate. Sometimes this site man
I think he meant grown adults currently on welfare.
Which I agree, it makes absolutely no sense for anyone on government assistance to plan out a child, how can they support children when they themselves need financial help?...just bringing a child into the world for the government to dish out more money....get on your feet, support yourself first, then plan your children....till then, wrap it up.
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While you have a point, don't ignore the fact that you are in a minority, most kids born to parents on government assistance do it have a stable home to begin with, DONOT have the opportunities or resources of other kids...majority of them won't even try....you are a rose that grew out of Concrete bro, doesn't mean your parents having you IN high school was a great plan.
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How does that solve anything?...you now have a child in foster care...how is that beneficial at all to a child?...
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It doesn't have to benefit the child.. this thread says benefitting society
So if we want to limit the amount of children and bad parenting, then you would simply implement a big tax on it. Have a child, pay a hefty tax. Wealthy people will have no issues... Smart people should hypothetically be wealthier. Persons who can't pay the tax can receive compensation to forfeit their child to a national education and training program designed to address the needs of the nation in areas of science, trades, and national defense. So people can get paid to have kids, while america has cheap human resources. You could have a team of special forces trained together since like 5 years old. Or people who have been focused on learning the highest levels of math all their life.
The parent can get little post cards of how their kid is doing but no contact until the age of 18 lol
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that wont benefit society at all
as a person going through the struggle of conceiving for about 3 years now with IVF 1 failed cycle and one about to start, already about 25k just for a 50/50 chance not even a guarantee WITHOUT the slightest government aid or even my own insurance.....i think is a joke to see single mothers, pop kid after kid from different pops, unemployed and her kids taken care of by the government....government aid has pretty much encouraged alot of irresponsible people to not own up to their responsabilities....im not rich yet i have to come out of pocket for a chance at a family, a working middle class man.
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Doesnt your post just support the my claim that people who want and should have kids would be willing to pay the tax. What we want to eliminate is people who dont really want kids or aren't ready them to be faced with higher costs or consequences to deter them from having them.that wont benefit society at all
as a person going through the struggle of conceiving for about 3 years now with IVF 1 failed cycle and one about to start, already about 25k just for a 50/50 chance not even a guarantee WITHOUT the slightest government aid or even my own insurance.....i think is a joke to see single mothers, pop kid after kid from different pops, unemployed and her kids taken care of by the government....government aid has pretty much encouraged alot of irresponsible people to not own up to their responsabilities....im not rich yet i have to come out of pocket for a chance at a family, a working middle class man.
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Bro taxing people to have kids is practically selling human beings....not only that, but responsible couples with the minimal financial means to at least support themselves and a kid shouldn't be penalized for wanting a family, or kids be put into a system of foster care because of their irresponsible parents, furthermore a mother with 2 kids and unemployed shouldn't be rewarded with more assistance for a 3rd and 4th child....dude there is women out there BALLIN off this government cheese....is sickening.
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Even though I started off not srs with my post... I'm still not seeing the disconnect between my post and yours
responsible couples who want kids and pay a hefty tax to have them would definitely benefit by the government putting more money toward education and healthcare. It wouldn't be money that just vanishes. Over crowded classrooms, funding for after school programs, bus systems, immunizations, all of these things cost the tax payer. When too many people are draining a system and not paying into it, shortcomings and failures are inevitable. Its not being penalized its paying toward things that society, including your child, benefit from.
I'm too lazy to go look up stats but kids born into poverty and on welfare, are probably far more likely to be low achieving and on welfare themselves. I know this has to do with the way school is funded also. But parents who depend on welfare for years, or the time it takes to have multiple kids while on it, have made their kids practically slaves already. Tons of those kids will end up in jail at some point, especially with the imbalanced policing of low income neighborhoods. Tons of them will be exposed to negative home environments that lead to domestic violence, drug use, poverty and hunger because the parents misuse their welfare. And the ones who are able to amass some wealth won't be trained on how to save, invest, and spend wisely to acquire appreciating assets. They will squander money and end up in debt.
Yes, these parents who cannot pay the tax are practically selling their children to a government program the way I originally said it, but if you think that wasn't already indirectly happening you aren't looking at things without and emotional filter. We (people in poverty) already the new slaves.. word to yeezus. People are just to blind to see it.
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Took the words from my mouth
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This is common sense imo. There's an application/testing period for other less important things like drivers license, getting a firearm, and a person has to be deemed fit to have these privileges. Everyone is not cut out to be parents, plain and simple. Crazy thing is, those are the main people shooting out kids and doing a horrible job raising them.
