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Reasonable Doubt def DID NOT go platinum until after a few years and his success.
Jay-z had a Diss Record Ready For 2Pac during East & West Beef
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Did 50 have any juice to go after Ja?
What about Canibus and LL?
What about Nas and Jay?
Common and Ice Cube?
All of them went after multi platinum artist
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You in your 40s b?
Sorry if you felt insulted. I aint know you'd get so sensitive.
When did I say Pac did not mention Jay's name? You senile or something forgetting which poster said what?
Jay wasn't important because Jay wasn't important at the time.
Nobody is disputing this. Although the reaction to RD was not as widespread you're pretending it was.
Also before his first solo Jay had already been in the game for years. Nobody was questioning his talent in '98.
So you learned about Sean P's death before means what exactly?
You just sound salty.
Wipe that sand out ya snatch girl.
And you sound like you know nothing about hip hop other than what gets played on the radio.
Hip hop has never been about who had the most success and who was more popular at the time battling.
From Kool Moe Dee taking and Busy Bee to Shan and KRS. The underdog has always taken on the more popular artist at th etime, because popularity doesn't mean much when lyrics are concerned.
Not sure where you're from but Reasonable Doubt was popular. Who was on the album, Biggie and Mary J? Not exactly nobodies. How large was "Ain't My..."? It was a top 50 pop song.
Keep quiet when grown folks are talking about hip hip son, I forgot more than you will ever know. I can always tell when people don't know what they're talking about when they bring up record sales and popularity in to rap discussions.
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Sorry but this doesn't move me at all. It's false on it's face but if that's how it sounds to you get ya ears checked.You in your 40s b?
Sorry if you felt insulted. I aint know you'd get so sensitive.
When did I say Pac did not mention Jay's name? You senile or something forgetting which poster said what?
Jay wasn't important because Jay wasn't important at the time.
Nobody is disputing this. Although the reaction to RD was not as widespread you're pretending it was.
Also before his first solo Jay had already been in the game for years. Nobody was questioning his talent in '98.
So you learned about Sean P's death before means what exactly?
You just sound salty.
Wipe that sand out ya snatch girl.
And you sound like you know nothing about hip hop other than what gets played on the radio.
Never said it was.
Go back and reread what I said.
Brooklyn.
Not sure where you get off trying to give me a history lesson on hip hop, especially pertaining to Jay-Z
Who exactly have you been talking to then? Cuz it couldn't have been me.
When did I bring up record sales? of popularity in rap? Must be new here
I can tell when someone gotta get on a high horse even when it's ill advised, being wrong and strong ignoring anything actually said and just spouting rhetoric to sound like they know what they're talking about.
That **** won't phase me though. So do it again. We can see how far you'll go. What's next you gonna tell me I'm bringing up how many times somebody went plat instead of the year in question?
Jay wasn't a factor in 98. Especially if your reply to that is mentioning his debut album. A Pras diss response to Pac would've been on the radar before any rumored Jay diss track.
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Sorry but this doesn't move me at all. It's false on it's face but if that's how it sounds to you get ya ears checked.
Never said it was.
Go back and reread what I said.
Brooklyn.
Not sure where you get off trying to give me a history lesson on hip hop, especially pertaining to Jay-Z
Who exactly have you been talking to then? Cuz it couldn't have been me.
When did I bring up record sales? of popularity in rap? Must be new here
I can tell when someone gotta get on a high horse even when it's ill advised, being wrong and strong ignoring anything actually said and just spouting rhetoric to sound like they know what they're talking about.
That **** won't phase me though. So do it again. We can see how far you'll go. What's next you gonna tell me I'm bringing up how many times somebody went plat instead of the year in question?
Jay wasn't a factor in 98. Especially if your reply to that is mentioning his debut album. A Pras diss response to Pac would've been on the radar before any rumored Jay diss track.
History lesson
Because history tends to repeat itself and you learn from history. And it's obvious you know little to learn from it.
Your whole flawed argument was Jay wasn't large enough, when hip hop battles were never about who was the larger artist.
Jay-Z wasn't a factor in 98? Tupac died in 96. By 98 Jay-Z had three albums out, including Hard Knock that sold 5 mil.
Stop replying kid. I already proved your ignorance. Go discuss Taylor Swift or Miley Cyrus. You're probably better equipped.
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LMAO at Jay had the public's ears. Yeah, you deifnitely weren't old enough or you lived in NY because Jay DEFINITELY wasn't poppin out here in the West Coast. Nobody out West even heard of a Jay Z until Pac said, "Jay Z die too." Only the hardcore hiphop heads out West heard of him due to the Nutty Professor soundtrack and even then everyone thought he was just Foxy's hype man. Stop trying to rewrite history.
Meek by this time already has a few hits under his belt. Jay, at that time, was a unknown to the majority of people outside of NY.
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Did 50 have any juice to go after Ja?
What about Canibus and LL?
What about Nas and Jay?
Common and Ice Cube?
All of them went after multi platinum artist
I'll give you 50 and Canibus, but those others were perfectly matched as far as popularity.
Pac was larger than life, only a couple of cats could've went at him at the time and possibly made an impact on him, Jay wasn't one of them.
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When I think of Jay dissing Pac in 96, I think of Royal Flush going at Dogg Pound. He made a good record, but who outside of the tri state, if even that was really paying attention to make a dent in their opponents armor.
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Speaking of Pac diss tracks that got canned, I'm surprised nobody brought this up yet
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I'm calling Ducktales on nobody knew who Jay was.
Living on the Westcoast yes there were dudes who only rocked with the Warren gs, Spice 1s , E40s, Snoops, Quik, Eiht etc..
But if you rocked with East coast hip-hop which if you pretty much watched rap city/the box / yo mtv it was like 90% of what was being played.
Aint no was poppin, his RD singles was out. Most likely you heard RD and Brooklyn's Finest. You knew who Jay-Z.
Was he considered the top dog or anywhere near that level not at all.
But to say his name was unheard and the first time a huge majority of hip hop fans didnt first hear his name was until hit em up is a tall tale.
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Royal Flush and Jay-Z 
Ya'll kids like to re-write history with the Jay-Z was a nobody back then.
Jay-Z was a nobody, but Def Jam picked him because.....
50 was popular before Wanksta?
Common didn't get popular until Erykah and was never a popular artist, much less being anywhere close to Cube. He's more popular as an actor than he ever was as a rapper.
Canibus was popular, but Jay-Z wasn't?
Ya'll kids like to re-write history with the Jay-Z was a nobody back then.
Jay-Z was a nobody, but Def Jam picked him because.....
50 was popular before Wanksta?
Common didn't get popular until Erykah and was never a popular artist, much less being anywhere close to Cube. He's more popular as an actor than he ever was as a rapper.
Canibus was popular, but Jay-Z wasn't?
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No it isn't.
This is something you're grossly over assuming to pretend you have a point.
Perhaps you just like rehashing **** and to feel important thinking you're schooling someone.
I never presented an argument.
This is not my argument at all.
I never said Jay-Z had to be a big artist in order to make a diss track. That was never the narrative. That you want to twist it that way is funny given you're pretending to speak from the side of the older know more about hip hop stance.
Keep going though. Lets see what else you'll make up about what I said. You don't got much to go off of so it's all on your imagination and creativity with what you say next.
Seems though the bulk of your posts are to act like you know better and call ppl kids
Go father some sons with that tone boy.
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So clarify your position then
...better yet, don't
because you're having a discussion about Tupac and Jay-Z from a time frame you obviously don't even remember.
98
Lesson for the day. When you're trying to be condescending, at least be knowledgeable about the subject in which you're trying to discuss. Schools out.
...better yet, don't
because you're having a discussion about Tupac and Jay-Z from a time frame you obviously don't even remember.
98
Lesson for the day. When you're trying to be condescending, at least be knowledgeable about the subject in which you're trying to discuss. Schools out.
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No. Keep going.
It's been like 3 posts now of long rants by you talking like you know something. Don't stop on the behalf of reason
Now I'm condescending. To whom though? No need to answer that.
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Long rants? I don't have one post longer than yours besides my first response
How old are you, too young to be going senile, eyes going bad
How old are you, too young to be going senile, eyes going bad
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You're taking my "nobody knew who Jay was" literally. When ii say nobody knew who he was I'm talking about the majority of hip-hop fans, ESPECIALLY out west. You straight lying if you tell me kmel or 94.9 (wild 107) was playing Jay z heavy.
So yes, for a lot of people, including myself, Jay z was first heard off the Nutty professor soundtrack and not reasonable doubt. Also ain't no might've been poppin on the east coast but just like bow down from the westside connection got no play out east, ain't no didn't really get hella spins out west either. Only east coast songs that got heavy play around that time out here was if I ruled the world and the fugees pretty much
You make it seem like there were hella west coast dudes listening to east coast hip-hop when that definitely wasn't the case. Around that time it was still Pac, bone thugs, master p, Westside connection, etc that was heavy out here.
To keep it even more real, out here, in the bay, Jay didn't get heavy radio play until "can I get a."
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Royal Flush and Jay-Z
Ya'll kids like to re-write history with the Jay-Z was a nobody back then.
Jay-Z was a nobody, but Def Jam picked him because.....
50 was popular before Wanksta?
Common didn't get popular until Erykah and was never a popular artist, much less being anywhere close to Cube. He's more popular as an actor than he ever was as a rapper.
Canibus was popular, but Jay-Z wasn't?
You must've missed when I said " I'll give you 50 and Canibus" even though you quoted it.
Common wasn't popular til Badu? I Used To Love Her? Resurrection? Really? But we're trying to rewrite history? Ok
DJ picked up Jay cause they had nothing to lose. The Roc was paying for everything and doing all the leg work while DJ got a cut of every unit shipped. None of which had anything to do with Jays clout or popularity and everything to do with Dame's hustle.
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Long rants? I don't have one post longer than yours besides my first response
How old are you, too young to be going senile, eyes going bad
Don't stop while you're behind man. You were doing so well with the bull ****. You're interpretation skills aint **** anyway so you gotta continue.Make up something else I didn't say. Tell me to hush again
You can't be running on E already.
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Jay Z was lukewarm in 96 lets be real, but that was when he was at his best imo
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Royal Flush and Jay-Z
Ya'll kids like to re-write history with the Jay-Z was a nobody back then.
Jay-Z was a nobody, but Def Jam picked him because.....
50 was popular before Wanksta?
Common didn't get popular until Erykah and was never a popular artist, much less being anywhere close to Cube. He's more popular as an actor than he ever was as a rapper.
I'm sure this is part of a larger argument that I'm not even trying to catch up on.
But depending on how we're defining "popular", 50 was. From "How To Rob" to the legend that loomed after the shooting to the mixtapes.
And no, Common was never as big as Cube, but dude was no slouch. "Sole By The Pound" RMX from the first album. Resurrection is classic material. "I Used To Love H.E.R." was big, which is why the issue with Cube caught steam.
And him being more popular as an actor than a rapper is VERY debateable.
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chill b, 98-01 was jays prime
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Jay wasnt a nobody in 96 but compared to pac and biggie........
The best thing common has put out artistically is BE imho
The best thing common has put out artistically is BE imho
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Nobody was talking about radio spins.
Just because you lived on the Westcoast doesn't mean you didn't listen to East coast.
My family in the Oakland had Redman next to the Too Short and Dru Down cds
My family in LA had Naughty By Nature next to the Comptons Most Wanted , Cypress Hill cds. Like I Said yes there were a lot of hardcore west coast fans. But if you watch music videos the whole end of 80s all the way up until the mid to late 90s no way you aren't an east coast fan with a bunch of east coast tapes / cds its impossible
The real power in music was The Source, MUSIC VIDEOS. As I Said earlier everyone watched videos. You had to at some point rock with LL, Wutang, Mobb Deep, BadBoy , Naughty By nature, Gangstarr,Boot Camp ,Dr la Soul, Tribe, PE. I can go on for days. East coast music DOMINATED
Yes we was heavy on Bone Thugs, but the No Limit wave was 97/98. Dudes was not on Ghetto D or TRU when it first came out. P wasn't gettin spins and how often did they play Bout it Bout it and Ice cream man?
To close out my point, Yes Jay-Z was wasn't popular, Yes u could buy his album at the used section at the wherehouse music store . But he did have 3 videos or so prior to the Pac diss and Pac ain't gonna call out dudes name if he was a nobody.
A nobody doesnt go bar for bar with BIG and end up on his debut album
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This is pretty much to all of you who mentioned Common
People are saying Jay-Z wasn't on a certain level, but Common wasn't on Jay-Z's Not even close.
Common didn't have a gold album or top 100 single until The Light. That was four albums in. Aren't we talking about popularity? I Used To Love H.E.R., was cool, but it wasn't as popular as Can't Knock The Hustle and Ain't No. Look at the subject matter.
Common was pretty much in a lane like The Roots. Not pop and not underground.
And how isn't he more popular as an actor, when he has never reached mainstream success musically? He's done far more as an actor from appearing on Hell On Wheels to appearing in two dozen movies. As a rapper he had three gold albums. To put that in perspective, Bleek has four albums that have sold gold or platinum.
And I can speak on Common, because I've been listening to him since Can I Borrow A Dollar in 92. I can actually show you my tape from 92, yes cassette tape. And Resurrection is in my top 20.
You must've missed when I said " I'll give you 50 and Canibus" even though you quoted it.
Common wasn't popular til Badu? I Used To Love Her? Resurrection? Really? But we're trying to rewrite history? Ok
DJ picked up Jay cause they had nothing to lose. The Roc was paying for everything and doing all the leg work while DJ got a cut of every unit shipped. None of which had anything to do with Jays clout or popularity and everything to do with Dame's hustle.
People are saying Jay-Z wasn't on a certain level, but Common wasn't on Jay-Z's
Not even close.Common didn't have a gold album or top 100 single until The Light. That was four albums in. Aren't we talking about popularity? I Used To Love H.E.R., was cool, but it wasn't as popular as Can't Knock The Hustle and Ain't No. Look at the subject matter.
Common was pretty much in a lane like The Roots. Not pop and not underground.
And how isn't he more popular as an actor, when he has never reached mainstream success musically? He's done far more as an actor from appearing on Hell On Wheels to appearing in two dozen movies. As a rapper he had three gold albums. To put that in perspective, Bleek has four albums that have sold gold or platinum.
And I can speak on Common, because I've been listening to him since Can I Borrow A Dollar in 92. I can actually show you my tape from 92, yes cassette tape. And Resurrection is in my top 20.
