How a single mother survives on $7.50/hr

ksteezy said:
Immigrants must know something all these unemployed Americans don't then...because I dont understand how immigrants migrate with entire families and make ends meet without assistance...but there is no jobs.
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they have common goal because of what their leaving . aka communal living as with any culture outside of the us


most kids in US at 18 got to get the hell out of the house


their isn't the culture of compete against your family member by gaining stuff.
 
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THE QBZ said:
becua jobs are easy to come by like that. have yall taking part in the hiring process?


they are not just hiring folks
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Immigrants must know something all these unemployed Americans don't then...because I dont understand how immigrants migrate with entire families and make ends meet without assistance...but there is no jobs.
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you work for United Nations or something? what does a immigrant have to do with other people not having jobs
 
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sea manup said:
its not that there are no jobs, its that there are no jobs that people are willing to do 

there are plenty of jobs out there 
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people are willing to do them for a liveable wage.

American worker can get taxed and have to comply with certain laws


immigrants get paid under the table and like I said before are expendable . IT the mentality of the coyote . that why they are exploit harsher than American workers
 
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heLiumcLinton said:
did you not visit the unemployment thread on NT that was over 20 pages? I guess they are just spoiled and making excuses too right just because you had a job since 16?

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something is really wrong with you, you do this on purpose?
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agreed. there just arent enough jobs for everybody and alot of people who do have jobs are underemployed. ... dont care if "youve been employed since high school" good for you. you're fortunate. 
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And raising the minimum wage to 20 or whatever is going to help unemployment? It's going to cause more small businesses to go under and more big businesses to outsource jobs and find machine replacements for workers. 

In what way will raising minimum wage, like this woman and people in this thread are saying, help those who are genuinely looking for jobs and are unemployed. Seems like it would only make finding a job more difficult.

Right now this woman seems to have everything she needs and is living fine working a PT job.
 
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Minimum wage has been raised for years and small business will live or die by their motivation to stay relavent.


Big corp dont have that excuse.

Also if the city would hire unemployed people to fix all these public works project it woud help the economy like towns in or near oil fields. Get paid by the state and then in turn spend the money in the state to generate tax reveune
 
ElecRelaxation said:
 
And raising the minimum wage to 20 or whatever is going to help unemployment? It's going to cause more small businesses to go under and more big businesses to outsource jobs and find machine replacements for workers. 

In what way will raising minimum wage, like this woman and people in this thread are saying, help those who are genuinely looking for jobs and are unemployed. Seems like it would only make finding a job more difficult.
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there shouldnt be jobs around that dont provide a livable wage period. no one should work 40 hours  a week and not be able to live and afford they basic living expenses off of that . thats what we currently have in the us. 

 . its ridiculous what these corporations do to the slaves, and y'all side with  the companies...

raising the minimum wage is to take money out of business owners and give it to the people who cant make enough to live on or barely enough to live on. We should be upset at the business owners , not siding with them while they pockets continue to get fatter. if you cant afford to provide a livable wage for your employees then you shouldnt be in business. 
 
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ElecRelaxation said:
And raising the minimum wage to 20 or whatever is going to help unemployment? It's going to cause more small businesses to go under and more big businesses to outsource jobs and find machine replacements for workers. 
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instead we should just continue to let our people be underpay while inflation continues and worry about ourselves because we're scared of machines taking jobs
 
RIP sleazyy said:
http://www.dol.gov/minwage/mythbuster.htm

http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/no-one-knows-if-15-minimum-wage-will-cost-jobs
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You can find arguments on both sides depending on which source you want to believe.

“If the government coercively raises the price of some good (such as labor) above its market value, the demand for that good will fall, and some of the supply will become ‘disemployed,'" according to a study by the libertarian group. "Unfortunately, in the case of minimum wages, the disemployed goods are human beings.”

To the extent that economists agree on anything, most seem to agree with that theoretical view. A 2000 survey (.pdf file) of members of the American Economic Association found that 46 percent agreed that having a minimum wage raises unemployment among young and unskilled workers, while 28 percent partly agreed, and 27 percent disagreed. (That’s down from a 1990 survey in which 62 percent agreed, 19.5 percent partly agreed and 17.5 disagreed.)"
 
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lakersman3000 said:
 
ElecRelaxation said:
 
And raising the minimum wage to 20 or whatever is going to help unemployment? It's going to cause more small businesses to go under and more big businesses to outsource jobs and find machine replacements for workers. 

In what way will raising minimum wage, like this woman and people in this thread are saying, help those who are genuinely looking for jobs and are unemployed. Seems like it would only make finding a job more difficult.
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there shouldnt be jobs around that dont provide a livable wage period. no one should work 40 hours  a week and not be able to live and afford they basic living expenses off of that . thats what we currently have in the us. 

 . its ridiculous what these corporations do to the slaves, and y'all side with  the companies...

raising the minimum wage is to take money out of business owners and give it to the people who cant make enough to live on or barely enough to live on. We should be upset at the business owners , not siding with them while they pockets continue to get fatter. if you cant afford to provide a livable wage for your employees then you shouldnt be in business. 
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Just for clarification, is the woman in the video an example of the person you're talking about? Is that too poor of a living condition in your view?
 
ElecRelaxation said:
RIP sleazyy said:
http://www.dol.gov/minwage/mythbuster.htm

http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/no-one-knows-if-15-minimum-wage-will-cost-jobs
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You can find arguments on both sides depending on which source you want to believe.

“If the government coercively raises the price of some good (such as labor) above its market value, the demand for that good will fall, and some of the supply will become ‘disemployed,'" according to a study by the libertarian group. "Unfortunately, in the case of minimum wages, the disemployed goods are human beings.”

To the extent that economists agree on anything, most seem to agree with that theoretical view. A 2000 survey (.pdf file) of members of the American Economic Association found that 46 percent agreed that having a minimum wage raises unemployment among young and unskilled workers, while 28 percent partly agreed, and 27 percent disagreed. (That’s down from a 1990 survey in which 62 percent agreed, 19.5 percent partly agreed and 17.5 disagreed.)"
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Agreed.

Thanks for the PDF also.
 
RIP sleazyy said:
 
ElecRelaxation said:
 
RIP sleazyy said:
http://www.dol.gov/minwage/mythbuster.htm

http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/no-one-knows-if-15-minimum-wage-will-cost-jobs
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You can find arguments on both sides depending on which source you want to believe.

“If the government coercively raises the price of some good (such as labor) above its market value, the demand for that good will fall, and some of the supply will become ‘disemployed,'" according to a study by the libertarian group. "Unfortunately, in the case of minimum wages, the disemployed goods are human beings.”

To the extent that economists agree on anything, most seem to agree with that theoretical view. A 2000 survey (.pdf file) of members of the American Economic Association found that 46 percent agreed that having a minimum wage raises unemployment among young and unskilled workers, while 28 percent partly agreed, and 27 percent disagreed. (That’s down from a 1990 survey in which 62 percent agreed, 19.5 percent partly agreed and 17.5 disagreed.)"
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Agreed.

Thanks for the PDF also.
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From an article, link died but obviously he extracted the relevant content there for you anyway.

Here's another survey with a working PDF if you're that interested in pdf files: https://www.epionline.org/studies/r107/

"Only 6% of labor economists believe a higher minimum wage is a very efficient way to address the income needs of poor families, 39% think it is somewhat efficient, and 55% think it is not at all efficient. Almost three-fourths of labor economists (73%) believe that a mandated minimum wage increase set at 150% of the current wage would result in employment losses."
 
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ElecRelaxation said:
 
And raising the minimum wage to 20 or whatever is going to help unemployment? It's going to cause more small businesses to go under and more big businesses to outsource jobs and find machine replacements for workers. 

In what way will raising minimum wage, like this woman and people in this thread are saying, help those who are genuinely looking for jobs and are unemployed. Seems like it would only make finding a job more difficult.

Right now this woman seems to have everything she needs and is living fine working a PT job.
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Big businesses are going to outsource whether minimum wage remains the same or is increased to $20 per hour. 
 
lakersman3000 said:
there shouldnt be jobs around that dont provide a livable wage period. no one should work 40 hours  a week and not be able to live and afford they basic living expenses off of that . thats what we currently have in the us. 

 . its ridiculous what these corporations do to the slaves, and y'all side with  the companies...

raising the minimum wage is to take money out of business owners and give it to the people who cant make enough to live on or barely enough to live on. We should be upset at the business owners , not siding with them while they pockets continue to get fatter. if you cant afford to provide a livable wage for your employees then you shouldnt be in business. 
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There has to be a medium. Pay enough so both business owners and workers can survive. Raising minimum wage too high, then what? They either lay off the workers or put owners out of business. Either way, the workers are unemployed.
 
You guys defending the minimum wage are fighting tooth and nail for the workers but aren't thinking about the business owners. Not every business owner can afford to pay some of these wages you guys are thinking of. Seeing an owner go out of business is more sad than a worker making minimum wage. Like I said, with the wages you guys want, the worker will still get screwed whether it's laid off or boss went out of business.
 
definitely a tough and sad situation for the mother, but minimum wage is not the issue here. life choices are. and $100 phone bill (assume it's an iPhone) is totally unnecessary for someone living like that. so it makes me feel even less sympathetic.

that's cold blooded and maybe it's easy for me to say that with where i'm at in my life, but that's how i see it.
 
Foamposite XI said:
You guys defending the minimum wage are fighting tooth and nail for the workers but aren't thinking about the business owners. Not every business owner can afford to pay some of these wages you guys are thinking of. Seeing an owner go out of business is more sad than a worker making minimum wage. Like I said, with the wages you guys want, the worker will still get screwed whether it's laid off or boss went out of business.
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Agreed. I'd love to see this $15 minimum wage take place just to see the fallout that'll happen.

Everybody seems to be taking the perspective of the employee and not as the business owner. Imagine what would happen if you were the owner:

- You cut employees because you're not sure if you can even afford to pay them -- they're now unemployed

- You raise prices on your goods / services -- people buy less from you

- You now operate with more costs / overhead -- what happens when you can't consistently make revenue / profit?
 
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Slighted said:
Foamposite XI said:
You guys defending the minimum wage are fighting tooth and nail for the workers but aren't thinking about the business owners. Not every business owner can afford to pay some of these wages you guys are thinking of. Seeing an owner go out of business is more sad than a worker making minimum wage. Like I said, with the wages you guys want, the worker will still get screwed whether it's laid off or boss went out of business.
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Agreed. I'd love to see this $15 minimum wage take place just to see the fallout that'll happen.

Everybody seems to be taking the perspective of the employee and not as the business owner. Imagine what would happen if you were the owner:

- You cut employees because you're not sure if you can even afford to pay them -- they're now unemployed
- You raise prices on your goods / services -- people buy less from you
- You now operate with more costs / overhead -- what happens when you can't consistently make revenue / profit?
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and only Wal Marts, Banc of America's, and Sam's type mega corporations will be able to afford the $20, until price of goods and especially housing rise in reponse to the higher minimum wage and we're right back to square one, your $15 still isn't providing you a livable wage.
 
Ok, so how about Minimum wage be scaled based off of locale AND company profits? Wouldn't that help solve the issue of the small business not being able to afford a raise in minimum wage?

The fact of the matter is that it's pathetic that one of the richest countries in the world and majority of the citizens can't afford to pay bill after an honest days work.
 
Dathbgboy said:
Ok, so how about Minimum wage be scaled based off of locale AND company profits? Wouldn't that help solve the issue of the small business not being able to afford a raise in minimum wage?

The fact of the matter is that it's pathetic that one of the richest countries in the world and majority of the citizens can't afford to pay bill after an honest days work.
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THAT NOBLE BUT THEN YOU would have mass exodus to city that pay more ... possible



and business will still be okay but that would mean ceo would have to take a pay or have a more honest merit system for their pay raises.

mcdonalds pay raise rang from 5 to 50 cents per year ..... cmon man
 
THE QBZ said:
Dathbgboy said:
Ok, so how about Minimum wage be scaled based off of locale AND company profits? Wouldn't that help solve the issue of the small business not being able to afford a raise in minimum wage?

The fact of the matter is that it's pathetic that one of the richest countries in the world and majority of the citizens can't afford to pay bill after an honest days work.
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THAT NOBLE BUT THEN YOU would have mass exodus to city that pay more ... possible



and business will still be okay but that would mean ceo would have to take a pay or have a more honest merit system for their pay raises.

mcdonalds pay raise rang from 5 to 50 cents per year ..... cmon man
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And that would be the stupid people that flock to areas for more money, if they can afford it, the people we're talking about can barely afford to keep the lights on. Cost of living varies and $10/hr in Pittsburgh will be the same as $20/hr in NYC, yea it looks like more but the cost of living is more too, so you may end up a little better or worse.

Unfortunately raises would be something that you can't really fight unless you attack it in a way that attaches it to cost of living inflation/deflation.

Sometimes I wish the world was like the movies, in the movies, the shady dudes catch the fade, here, they flourish. Knock off a few lobbyists and the companies will see things your way :lol:
 
Foamposite XI said:
You guys defending the minimum wage are fighting tooth and nail for the workers but aren't thinking about the business owners. Not every business owner can afford to pay some of these wages you guys are thinking of. Seeing an owner go out of business is more sad than a worker making minimum wage. Like I said, with the wages you guys want, the worker will still get screwed whether it's laid off or boss went out of business.
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If your business model only works when you pay workers the bare minimum then that's not a sustainable model and you eventually go out of business.

Employees are a resource. Until now that resource can be had for cheap. The price rises. If you can't afford it anymore then you go out of business. Every other resource is allowed to fluctuate in prices etc but when it comes to labor, nope. That has to stay low. The business owner has to be allowed to flourish off the backs of others

People only seem to want a competitive environment when it benefits them.

McDonald's and other corporations are going to move to automated systems regardless of minimum wage hikes just due to pure corporate greed. So don't act like that's the big downside to raising the wage
 
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