Health Vegetarian diet 'raises risk of heart disease and cancer

ERACISM said:

dtb00201 said:

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Been pretty much plant based since January. I went shopping today and picked these up for a dinner either tonight or tomorrow. There's 164 grams of protein between the black been noodles and seitan. I haven't really missed meat that much either.

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Damn, dude, you went full hippie. I ain't ever seen black bean spaghetti before.

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NorthOaklandFC said:

^I'm trying to tell yall about that edamame, I was at Costco a few months back and asked dude Where's the spaghetti. He pointed me in the direction and started given me all this extra info about how he's gluten free and there's this really good edamame spaghetti cause it's the only one he can eat.

I hit him with a he Russell Westbrook face.

Happened to see the edamame he was talking about and ended up reading the label. That 12g of protein per ounce, I had to see what it do.

Turns out its hella good.

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NorthOaklandFC said:

^I'm trying to tell yall about that edamame, I was at Costco a few months back and asked dude Where's the spaghetti. He pointed me in the direction and started given me all this extra info about how he's gluten free and there's this really good edamame spaghetti cause it's the only one he can eat.

I hit him with a he Russell Westbrook face.

Happened to see the edamame he was talking about and ended up reading the label. That 12g of protein per ounce, I had to see what it do.

Turns out its hella good.

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Methodical Management said:

That's a terribly specious headline.  I can't say I'm surprised, however.  

So, first of all (and as others have stated), you can find tons of research demonstrating links between meat consumption - especially red meat consumption - and heart disease, along with various forms of cancer.  
This, for example, is more of an "apples to apples" comparison:  http://cebp.aacrjournals.org/content/22/2/286.full  You're flogging this particular study and will likely ignore everything else.  That's your choice, but you should at least understand what, exactly, your chosen study suggests about vegetarian diets. 


Bear in mind, the study you've cited compares two very different population groups:  one in Pune, India, where "mostly vegetarian" diets have been common for generations, and one in Kansas, where residents presumably engage in what's become known as a "standard American diet."  

To suggest, from this, that any vegetarian or vegan anywhere in the world is "more likely" to develop cancer or heart disease would demonstrate an abject misunderstanding of the study and almost total ignorance to the concept of heredity. 


Note the very first sentence in your little news write up:  "Over generations, a vegetarian diet can result in genetic mutations which increase the risk of heart disease and cancer, scientists claim."

The inter-generational nature of this is key.  If you eat vegetables, it's not going to "mutate da genes."  Carrots are not radioactive spiders from a comic book.  If you were born in Pune, India, moved to Kansas, and decided to eat Arby's seven days a week, you're more likely to have the trait that these researchers claim facilitates the absorption of essential fatty acids from plants and may boost arachidonic acid production.  Your children would be more likely to have this trait, too.  

As the study's lead author put it, "Those whose ancestry derives from vegetarians are more likely to carry genetics that more rapidly metabolize plant fatty acids."  That should not be used interchangeably with "vegetarians."  No one with even a middle school comprehension of genetics would make this mistake.  

Diet is only relevant in that it influenced the conditions within which the trait became common.  


If you had this trait hundreds of years ago in Pune, India, where people mostly ate vegetarian diets, you might be more likely to survive and, thus, procreate.  In the same way, it's been theorized that a mutated copy of the gene that causes sickle cell anemia actually confers a survival advantage against malaria.  Those whose ancestry derives from environments with a high risk of malaria are more likely to have the "sickle cell trait" for the same basic reason that "those whose ancestry derives from vegetarians are more likely to carry genetics that more rapidly metabolize plant fatty acids."  The role of the environment is critical.  If you ignore that, you might say something colossally imbecilic like "Brown skin causes sickle cell anemia!"  

Here in the United States in 2016, the possession of this fatty acid absorption trait would have virtually no bearing whatsoever on whether or not a vegetarian or vegan manages to reproduce.  How, then, is such a mutation likely to propagate - and, more importantly, why would it be exclusive to vegetarians or vegans?  



As an aside, I'd be very curious to compare the actual rates of cancer and heart disease between Pune, India and Anywhere, Kansas.

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Chester McFloppy said:

Any good guides/meal planners for starting out veg?

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NorthOaklandFC said:

 
As I understand it a balanced intake of carbohydrates is pretty essential to muscle recovery.  If you're goal is gain muscle, cutting out carbs is a mistake. 

I used to just eat 8-12oz of protein + a massive salad for dinner every night. Had to get off that. 

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Ben Roethlisberger said:

Absolutely.

The body was designed to run on carbs.

Low carb, high fat diets (paleo) eventually lead to heart disease, hyper tension, heart failure, osteoporosis etc.
There's also more estrogen in meat and dairy than soy.

When I'm eating at my most optimal, I stay away from all 3.

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JohnnyRedStorm said:

Chester McFloppy said:

Any good guides/meal planners for starting out veg?

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We make a stir fry once a week served over brown rice that's awesome. Mushrooms, broccoli, asparagus, onion sautéd in olive oil seasoned with garlic, red pepper flakes, black pepper, a splash of oregano and a pinch of salt.

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japejapejape said:

so how much do you consider low carb?  
because i eat some fruit everyday i just don't eat bread, rice, pasta anymore because i found that it makes it hard for me to control my cravings.
but i usually eat fruit with low sugar content like strawberries.  

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Ben Roethlisberger said:

japejapejape said:

so how much do you consider low carb?  
because i eat some fruit everyday i just don't eat bread, rice, pasta anymore because i found that it makes it hard for me to control my cravings.
but i usually eat fruit with low sugar content like strawberries.  

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I follow the 80/10/10 diet. 80% carbs, 10% fats, 10% protein. As I'm mostly gluten free, I get the bulk of my carbs from fruits and other starches.

I'd say the base of my diet is fruit, oats, potatoes, black rice, lentils and beans.

For instance, this morning I made a smoothie with 7 bananas, 5 dates, OJ, mixed frozen fruit and kale. Well over 1500 calories.

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NorthOaklandFC said:

I might have missed it earlier but do you weight train?

That break down wouldn't be sufficient for muscle recovery I'm assuming?

Edit: nvm thought @japejapejape was the person who said building muscle was a focus yesterday.

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JohnnyRedStorm said:

I ingest soy about once a week at most. I'm a sucker for those soy chicken nuggets. They honestly taste better than real ones.

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