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OnTheNephs said:
Titanium Tea said:
People are really more upset at a white guy stereotyping gangsta rap than a man murdering people in a crowded room.
It's unfortunate.
Here in canada we literally all learned of guns , gangs and crack through rap music.
We have thousands of kids who grew up affluent, that still want to join the music promoted lifestyle.
Out there selling drugs because of the thousands of cool images theyve been bombarded with.

Kids with good grades and both parents.

If art reflects real life, why exactly does it all of a sudden not work the other way around.

Its messed up because I love hip hop but I know damn well that had it never happened Canada would be a better place to live.
Legit question to black people

Do you feel life was better before? Or does crack taking over at the same time just kind of confuse hip hops influence on the subject.

I ask as we never had a crack boom but def felt raps affects
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What the hell are you talking about????

You need to take your little ideas and keep em to yourself. Here in canada we learned about guns from hiphop?? dog thats you. Because you a lame that uses hip hop to create a reality, dont use it as the whole of Canada.

Simply to put your dumbness away, Hells angels. The montreal Italian mafia connections. Both of those have nothing to do with hiphop and both have been around since 70s. But you just a little kid caught up in some hip hop.

Wagwaan mi yout? bro parkdale cats would smack you.

Nothing in this thread angered me more than these comments to be honest, it was the most childish thing said. Canada would be better with out hip hop??? where do you think like that? you must be a Drake fan.


WOW i also just saw the "legit question to black people" part. Yea i shouldnt have even replied to you.
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I'm glad somebody from Canada adressed that BS. :lol:

Then he said "question to black people" :lol: Like black people owe Canada an apology. **** outta here. :lol:
 
CAbased said:
But it's in hip hop more than anything else.
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Titanium Tea said:
Yeah....hells angels and the mafia are the same as wanna be street bloods. Im actually just mocking Toronto as I lived there and its a dump.
The gangstas are sensitive and are reaching out for acceptance.
Has a too short avy " you must be a drake fan "

I must have missed the elementary class in canada about guns, gangs and crack.
Because if it wasnt on the streets or the class room, where did we learn? Music.


Canada isnt gangsta and people in Parkdale have fun basketball tournaments and barbecues.
You must be scared to go there or something.
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Stop trying to flip the script. Your sympathizing with "affluent/wealthy" kids because they're stupid enough to sell drugs, do drugs, or shoot people, just to fit in? That ain't a hip hop problem. That is a parental problem.

A few years ago down here in Florida, some idiotic children of a canadian ambassador were in a drug deal gone wrong. I think one either shot someone, or got smoked himself. How dare you blame a hip hop. And I can tell, you know nothing about hip hop. The basis of hip hop was to expose, people (wealthy kids, etc.) to the other side of the tracks. Their parents earned their wealth by doing dirt, hip hop explained this. Those parents usually had their kids thinking they were making an honest living.

"The Message" by melle mel came out in 1979, the song summed up America in a nutshell...
 
Naw no one needs to apologize.
As I stated 9 out of 10 canadians absolutely choose to sell drugs . They dont have to as a matter of survival or due to systemic racism.
They do it because thry grew up listening to biggie, pac , jayz and masterp and fell victim to the glorification of a gangsta lifestyle.
When you grow up with no black people in sight in a small community.....RAP affects how you may interact one day when you do cross paths.

Like I said, I knew exactly how eazy e would shoot up a transvestites private parts with his gun, well before I met my first black person in life.
And people want to argue that hip hop has no affect.

Thats because they are living in the culture of hip hop.
They cant imagine that the message from their authentic struggle IS spawning copy cats in places where such problems previously did not exist.

Yeah I guess every train in Europe didnt get graffiti vandalized too. Clearly had nothing to do with hip hop.
 
Titanium Tea said:
Naw no one needs to apologize.
As I stated 9 out of 10 canadians absolutely choose to sell drugs . They dont have to as a matter of survival or due to systemic racism.
They do it because thry grew up listening to biggie, pac , jayz and masterp and fell victim to the glorification of a gangsta lifestyle.
When you grow up with no black people in sight in a small community.....RAP affects how you may interact one day when you do cross paths.

Like I said, I knew exactly how eazy e would shoot up a transvestites private parts with his gun, well before I met my first black person in life.
And people want to argue that hip hop has no affect.

Thats because they are living in the culture of hip hop.
They cant imagine that the message from their authentic struggle IS spawning copy cats in places where such problems previously did not exist.

Yeah I guess every train in Europe didnt get graffiti vandalized too. Clearly had nothing to do with hip hop.
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Are you speaking for all of canada or where you are from?

I have plenty of black cousins in canada i doubt they are in the streets but there are a lot of west indians in canada that definitely are. I dont know how people are growing up around no black people but if u living in the middle of ice country im sure black people dont want to be around you either.

And selling drugs isnt exclusive to black people. Plenty of white people in America who dont listen to rap sell meth, molly or whatever else people are doing these days. Get off the computer and get out and meet some people.
 
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Chinese kids at the park are now calling each other n words.
Yup they didnt learn that from the media.
It was from their deep imersive visits to the hood where they all got passes.

No wait, that was Rap again
 
Slicknick951 said:
Are you speaking for all of canada or where you are from?

I have plenty of black cousins in canada and i dont think they are in the streets but there are a lot of west indians in canada that definitely are. I dont know how people are growing up around no black people but if u living in the middle of ice country im sure black people dont want to be around you either.

And selling drugs isnt exclusive to black people. Plenty of white people in America who dont listen to rap sell meth, molly or whatever else people are doing these days. Get off the computer and get out and meet some people.
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Ive lived in vancouver, toronto, the uk and visit the states regularly.
Obviously people commit lots of crimes 100% unrelated to music and they are of all skin colors. That id never argue.

That doesnt mean Hip hops message doesnt subconsciously affect people.
Here in vancouver black people make up A TINY percentage of drug dealers.
Yet EVERY dealer will have an ipod full of gangsta rap regardless of his color in his vehicle.

I will concede that Toronto has legit projects and is far less safe than vancouver and that some people there really NEED to hussle.

Everywhere else is a rap fantasy of rich punks taught off cds
 
@Titanium Tea  tryna tell ya'll how it effects the sheltered and ya'll tellin him he's wrong.
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Maybe it don't effect the average dude but he's making a very valid point.

Quick to clown these types but where you think they get the image from?

It's not clearly raps fault these no father havin *** dudes be out here but it is what it is.
 
But dude said hip hop brought the drugs and violence which is still not accurate.
 
Fine ill be the one to say it . rap glorifies being a thug/thief/junkie. That increases the amount of people who want to be thug/thieves/junkies. Because they see their favorite rapper talk and do these things , all while still having the nice cars , clothes , jewelry and beautiful girls , so people follow . I truly believe if rap wasnt glorifying drugs , then drugs would not be such a "cool" thing . That goes way back to other genres as well , like rock n roll back in the 70s and etc . I havent researched the topic enough to continue but since the beginning of time humans have basically worshipped music . Nowadays our music has words and people will follow.
 
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In before the cliche "oh its the parents responsibility" . There is only so much parents can control , on top of that its 2016 where everything is accessible and nonetheless at 18 , which is a legal adult , it is still a young and tender age where people are not full matured and still have a lot to learn.
 
KingKoopa said:
Tigron said:
But dude said hip hop brought the drugs and violence which is still not accurate.
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It can though.

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Dudes from up the way from Cincinnati.

Nothin but a bunch of wanna bes servin dope and killin folk.

I'm not blaming hip hop for everything but to say it doesn't have a part would be foolish.
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So who was to blame for Italian, Jewish and Irish gangs killing each other and selling drugs through out the country from the 1920's up until the 80's?


Y'all stay getting off topic. :lol:
 
So this is what I never seem to understand.

Yes, rap music glorifies a negative lifestyle and affects many impressionable minds.

So should we censor rap music? Do we set guidelines of what a rapper can rap about?

It's all fine to acknowledge the fact that art has an affect, but what is the solution?
 
iLLiCiT305 said:
In before the cliche "oh its the parents responsibility" . There is only so much parents can control , on top of that its 2016 where everything is accessible and nonetheless at 18 , which is a legal adult , it is still a young and tender age where people are not full matured and still have a lot to learn.
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If it isn't the parents responsibility, who's responsibility is it? A parent can only do so much, of course. But should all art be clean enough for impressionable minds?

Once again it isn't the art, it's the state of the community that creates a situation where art is looked at as more than art by impressionable minds without much more to cling to as far as guidance is concerned.

I don't think that's on any artist.
 
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Maximus taking it back with no cut off date.
Lol
We are about to be arguing eygptian / jewish pyramid relations at this rate.
Im out.
Time to get back to my usual griping over retro quality .

* bumps chest amd points to sky*

Peace yall
 
HarlemToTheBronx said:
So this is what I never seem to understand.

Yes, rap music glorifies a negative lifestyle and affects many impressionable minds.

So should we censor rap music? Do we set guidelines of what a rapper can rap about?

It's all fine to acknowledge the fact that art has an affect, but what is the solution?
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The thing is, its already censored. By the record companies and media conglomorates. Censored to show only the most violent, materialistic aspects of hip hop. Its not all trap/gangsta rap but its easy to see how someone from the outside looking in, or a white police chief, could come to that conclusion. You could argue the corporations are just giving the people what they want but i really dont think its that simple.
 
Maximus Meridius said:
So who was to blame for Italian, Jewish and Irish gangs killing each other and selling drugs through out the country from the 1920's up until the 80's?


Y'all stay getting off topic.
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Your making it all or nothing.

Why can't you admit that rap can play an effect on the weak minded?

It's not accusing rap or condoning it, it's just the fact.
HarlemToTheBronx said:
So this is what I never seem to understand.

Yes, rap music glorifies a negative lifestyle and affects many impressionable minds.

So should we censor rap music? Do we set guidelines of what a rapper can rap about?

It's all fine to acknowledge the fact that art has an affect, but what is the solution?
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Thanks for asking.

No I don't think we should censor it unless we censor pron, sexual r&b and pop, drug and devil worshiping rock n roll, R rated movies ect.

Open discussion is the first step instead of just straight ignoring the issue.
 
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