Colin Kaepernick Is Righter Than You Know

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I'm not surprised this dummy didn't vote and helped to encourage others not to.

Hope you guys took advantage of the last 8 years, now you get to see what real oppression looks like.

You had your chance

Peace

Deuce King said:

If THEY know us being "involved" ain't changing ****, why are THEY trying to suppress our vote if it truly doesn't mean nothing??

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And to add to that point guess what their voter ID laws targeted almost exclusively at black and brown communities and the elderly actually worked in places like NC and WI (specifically around Milwaukee). We can stop them from regressing what gains or community has made but not by doing their work for them. It has to involve being part of the political process and not just sporadically.

aepps20 said:

The media is blaming us. I know no one in here is blaming Black people. Samantha Bee was on point about this. Clinton got 88% of the Black vote. The numbers Obama got in 08 and 12 were historic and dems were banking on that level of support which wasn't smart.

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Can you post some videos, I've been watching a lot of coverage the past couple days and yet to hear one person blame black people exclusively for Clinton not winning. Everything I've heard and read is pointing out the Obama coalition, news flash that does include black people, as a whole didn't come out in the numbers necessary in certain areas to get Hillary elected. Some of it was from voter suppression, but most was just from apathy and not going out. And that also includes Latinos, millennials, Asians and everyone else in the Dem voting block. We collectively failed because people just didn't like Hillary for whatever reason.

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AZwildcats said:

 
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dont say minorities, say what you mean, black people

~2% still means more whites/latinos/asians voted trump in regardless of who didnt vote

its easy to place the blame at the feet of black people when other ppl/races are supporting this dude with votes

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2% with less votes than Romney got in 2012 and 1 million less than Mccain in 2008. What the **** are you talking about regardless of who didn't vote? The literal difference between this election and the last one is people didn't vote, specifically minorities. And yes I meant minorities, I as a black man myself don't benefit from singling out black voters

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regardless of who didnt vote, in that it matters where the votes come from in the electoral system

say 10 million more people voted, but theyre all in the state of california, that doesnt win the election for hilary

but like you said, in those swing states its important

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Hand2HandKing said:

 

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dont say minorities, say what you mean, black people


~2% still means more whites/latinos/asians voted trump in regardless of who didnt vote


its easy to place the blame at the feet of black people when other ppl/races are supporting this dude with votes

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2% with less votes than Romney got in 2012 and 1 million less than Mccain in 2008. What the **** are you talking about regardless of who didn't vote? The literal difference between this election and the last one is people didn't vote, specifically minorities. And yes I meant minorities, I as a black man myself don't benefit from singling out black voters

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regardless of who didnt vote, in that it matters where the votes come from in the electoral system

say 10 million more people voted, but theyre all in the state of california, that doesnt win the election for hilary

but like you said, in those swing states its important

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While a lot of people in Ca don't vote, the important states, Mi WI PA & OH showed drastically lower voter turnout for Hilary than Obama. Those states were actually really close. If she wins those states she wins the election. But the turnout was low for dems

PA was an 80k vote difference
MI was 12k
Ohio was 400k( a bit more than the others)
Wisconsin was 20k

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Deuce King said:

Too many SMART-DUMB ****** that think ignoring or not participating in the "system" that we ALL face day in and day out is somehow going to help. Any black person that doesn't vote makes a white supremacist job easier to do. Dudes just rolling over and playing dead hoping they won't get effected....on that "if they don't see me maybe they won't bother me" mindset.

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Too many smart dumb ****** thinking participating is the direct solution too though. White supremacists job is always easy, that's why they been flourishing for 600 years with no sign of slowing down.

Its don't participate and hope you aren't effected, or participate and hope you eventually stop being effected in your lifetime or your kids lifetime.

The problem is very obviously bigger than participation when it comes to blacks in America. The system itself isn't set up for us to participate and change. I believe in participation helping somewhat, small victories are important, but that's not the big solution IMO. I think withdrawal from the system is the best bet but it would take possibly decades to implement a proper solution for black Americans in a way that we can flourish as a whole.

So in the mean time I guess it's vote and hope until enough people are ready to come up with a new and unified plan of operation.

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Who said this?

No one, they just can't come to grips that they really helped the system more than anything. If they think us being involved doesn't make a difference, there wouldn't be all these voter suppression tactics. Ya'll may not be as "woke" as you think. Not voting is a white privilege.

Maximus Meridius said:

So Rusty, some of the black community fought for tough penalties on nonviolent crimes and it had a immediate, devastating impact right but when black people want some real **** for us to get outta this hole it's "well let's just keep voting and wishing and one day we'll get there". And Bill used that **** as an excuse for him and his people ruining black families across the country but when we ask for something to HELP us they act like it's impossible to do. But we supposed to vote for his wife outta fear? **** outta here Clinton's.



And y'all keep saying we have to vote to change the system right? Change from within right? In order to do that the people that hate you have to let you in. They run the system. If they don't want you, you won't change **** no matter how much you vote. Hilary ain't ****, Trump definitely ain't ****.


I know I ain't got answers sway but this system ain't for us. What do y'all think MLK meant when he said he feared he integrated his people into a burning house. We in the burning house tryna spit on the fire. "but if we keep spitting one day that fire we'll be out.

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I know this will come off as condescending, so let me apologize in advance, but you ignoring political history, policy, and even basic civics makes it hard to discuss this with you.

But one last damb time.....And god damb I hate defending a douche bag Bill Clinton on anything:

Bill Clinton didn't pass a law to target black people and destroy black families. This Violent and Crime Control Act had tons of things in it. The problem with the law, especially when it comes to mass incarceration, is that it gave billions to states to build prisons. That is what is driving the problem.

Because states then turned it over to the private sector, now the private sector runs these prisons and needs bodies to fuel this industry, and state oblige them by feeding them black, and brown bodies. And when they are none of those around, poor white bodies do. This where Bill should get the because "**** you", not because he did do, or planned to do it himself. It is naively thought that states wouldn't do right by its citizens, and only lock up the people it need to. He was warned about this too, but he ignored the warnings.

Then you throw in the drug war, then you make the problem worst because now legislators wanna give violent crime time to no violent offender to keep prisons filled. And the incentives to change sentencing laws hurt a helluva lot too.

-----------During this time Hillary was trying to get all of America health care, and was mainly supporting the Violence Against Women part of the Act. Years later, In her infinite stupidity, while trying to explain how law enforcement would target organized gangs like they did organized crime, she used the term "superpredators" to refer to gang members. **** her for doing so because it was a do whistle at the time, because most gang members were thought to and pushed at black and Latino.

That is really the extent of her actions at the time really. If you wanna hate Bill, because he was a idiot president that signed to out maneuver Republicans, fine, **** him ( i have said that many times). But this "evil Clintons destroyed black families unilaterally" steez is just not based in fact, and needs to be dropped because it makes people not understand what truly caused and is driving the issue,

Both of them have expressed remorse over what has happened. Bill, **** him, because at the end of the day stopping exposure to lead is what probably solved the problem but to make the bill look less disastrous he claims those benefits as his own. Hillary has to carry around Bill baggage on that but Hillary Clinton had no hand in getting the bill passed. She was the man's husband and supported him.

--------No one is telling you solving it is impossible. That is another strawman you have built to not listen to a point of you disagree with. People are saying that if you want the issue fixed, we need a super-majority of progressive and liberals at the Federal, state and local level. In all departments of government, and we need to protect their seats from white supremacist backlash. Because the "Clinton Crime Bill" is not the end all be all, state and local laws need changing too.

Then you need a jobs program to get inmates back into the economy, and more anti recidivism policies.

And the only way we get to that point legislatively is voting all the time: primaries, midterms, general, off year, everything.

Voting every fours years for a black man to be president isn't going to do much

---------And MLK to his death believed in voting, and political activism, so please don't invoke his name on him for argue this point especially.

Yall want me to cherrypick a random person?

Just like there's people who believe not participating is the solution, there's people who believe it's the primary solution. Just like with protesting you have people who say it's effective and people who say it's not. Dont play dumb for the sake of argument.

RIP sleazyy said:

Yall want me to cherrypick a random person?

Just like there's people who believe not participating is the solution, there's people who believe it's the primary solution. Just like with protesting you have people who say it's effective and people who say it's not. Dont play dumb for the sake of argument.

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How I'm I playing dumb?

If you're talking generally, then say you're talking generally, but that changes your argument.

But to just float it out there with no specifics behind it just makes your argument a strawman.

I don't see anyone in here advocating voting is the end all be all, and I don't see any voting advocates saying it will solve all the problems.

RustyShackleford said:

RIP sleazyy said:

Yall want me to cherrypick a random person?

Just like there's people who believe not participating is the solution, there's people who believe it's the primary solution. Just like with protesting you have people who say it's effective and people who say it's not. Dont play dumb for the sake of argument.

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How I'm I playing dumb?

If you're talking generally, then say you're talking generally, but that changes your argument.

But to just float it out there with no specifics behind it just makes your argument a strawman.

I don't see anyone in here advocating voting is the end all be all, and I don't see any voting advocates saying it will solve all the problems.

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Yeah I'm speaking generally, I thought "too many" would imply that. Since when do we have to say generally speaking I don't see where the straw man exists. My argument is basically what I posted.

RIP sleazyy said:

RustyShackleford said:

RIP sleazyy said:

Yall want me to cherrypick a random person?

Just like there's people who believe not participating is the solution, there's people who believe it's the primary solution. Just like with protesting you have people who say it's effective and people who say it's not. Dont play dumb for the sake of argument.

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How I'm I playing dumb?

If you're talking generally, then say you're talking generally, but that changes your argument.

But to just float it out there with no specifics behind it just makes your argument a strawman.

I don't see anyone in here advocating voting is the end all be all, and I don't see any voting advocates saying it will solve all the problems.

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Yeah I'm speaking generally, I thought "too many" would imply that. Since when do we have to say generally speaking I don't see where the straw man exists. My argument is basically what I posted.

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I didn't say you had a strawman, I said if you were trying to say one of us in here was saying that it would be.

And to be honest I wouldn't pick up it was generally because I never see brothers advocating voting is the end all.

Matter-of-fact it is the apathetic people you here saying "I tried voting, it didn't work".

Rollinwithangel said:

Ernie and the rest of that cast lost me (outside of basketball) with how dismissive they were being to serious black issues. Kenny smith was the only one who kept it real and you saw the frustration on his face. Another great thing kaep did was make a lot of people show their true colors.

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TNT/The NBA in general was so foul for giving Charles Barkley of all people a platform to talk about race. They really love waving to most nonsensical black people in from of millions of people to talk about serious issues. It's a total slap in the face, because things that Charles (and others) say get taken as the gospel to a whole bunch of whites and all it does is give them a reason and excuse to continue acting and thinking the way they do. Taking the gospel of Charles Barkley and Lil' Wa_n_, despicable.

RIP sleazyy said:

Deuce King said:

Too many SMART-DUMB ****** that think ignoring or not participating in the "system" that we ALL face day in and day out is somehow going to help. Any black person that doesn't vote makes a white supremacist job easier to do. Dudes just rolling over and playing dead hoping they won't get effected....on that "if they don't see me maybe they won't bother me" mindset.

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Too many smart dumb ****** thinking participating is the direct solution too though. White supremacists job is always easy, that's why they been flourishing for 600 years with no sign of slowing down.

Its don't participate and hope you aren't effected, or participate and hope you eventually stop being effected in your lifetime or your kids lifetime.

The problem is very obviously bigger than participation when it comes to blacks in America. The system itself isn't set up for us to participate and change. I believe in participation helping somewhat, small victories are important, but that's not the big solution IMO. I think withdrawal from the system is the best bet but it would take possibly decades to implement a proper solution for black Americans in a way that we can flourish as a whole.

So in the mean time I guess it's vote and hope until enough people are ready to come up with a new and unified plan of operation.

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Nonononononono

Bro, do you even international news?

Look at all these oppressed people all over the world that are getting slaughtered by their governments without intervention from the international community. Do you know what they all have in common? They are invisible. Being invisible makes you more vulnerable to government actors who want to take advantage of you.

Hell, look at Native Americans here. How often do you hear about the poor conditions in their communities? Some reservations don't even have plumbing and you never hear about it on the national news. And you want to withdraw??

Do you think the UN would have issued a report on slavery reparations and the general treatment of Blacks by police in the US if people didn't film contentious interactions and posted them on social media? Back when only people in poor minority communities talked about abuse, they were shot down "oh you're exagerating" was the standard answer. Not anymore. You have to make yourself visible.

Unless you have plans to buy an island, move everybody there, and create a nation. That too could work.

Mark Antony said:

If the system you're rebelling against is happy and super comfortable with your actions, then you should likely reconsider your approach.

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This needs a re-post.

RustyShackleford said:

----And MLK to his death believed in voting, and political activism, so please don't invoke his name on him for argue this point especially.

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I am gonna use what he said cuz its valid. I never said he was against voting but If he called America a burning house and said this country was too deep in racism to get out in the 60's, he felt like that then w/o seeing the 70's, 80's, 90's then we fast forward to 2016 and basically still the same **** going on then it's time for another plan. Sounds like y'all are just like "well this is the system we're stuck in so I'm gonna play along".

Maximus Meridius said:

RustyShackleford said:

----And MLK to his death believed in voting, and political activism, so please don't invoke his name on him for argue this point especially.

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I am gonna use what he said cuz its valid. I never said he was against voting but If he called America a burning house and said this country was too deep in racism to get out in the 60's, he felt like that then w/o seeing the 70's, 80's, 90's then we fast forward to 2016 and basically still the same **** going on then it's time for another plan. Sounds like y'all are just like "well this is the system we're stuck in so I'm gonna play along".

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Again, dudes like you think they are being dynamic and thinking outside the box but are actually just talking about things and bringing NOTHING tangible of substance to the table. Treadmill status....doing a bunch of running and going nowhere fast.

Even if WE as a people finally get an "economic base" as you suggested WE still would be paying taxes to the "system" that we think we are rebelling against. Thus continually financing the system that we oppose. Dudes gotta get off that mentality that the next installment of Hidden Colors is going to be the answer to our problems and get involved in the "system" from different angles.

RIP sleazyy said:

Deuce King said:

Too many SMART-DUMB ****** that think ignoring or not participating in the "system" that we ALL face day in and day out is somehow going to help. Any black person that doesn't vote makes a white supremacist job easier to do. Dudes just rolling over and playing dead hoping they won't get effected....on that "if they don't see me maybe they won't bother me" mindset.

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Too many smart dumb ****** thinking participating is the direct solution too though. White supremacists job is always easy, that's why they been flourishing for 600 years with no sign of slowing down.

Its don't participate and hope you aren't effected, or participate and hope you eventually stop being effected in your lifetime or your kids lifetime.

The problem is very obviously bigger than participation when it comes to blacks in America. The system itself isn't set up for us to participate and change. I believe in participation helping somewhat, small victories are important, but that's not the big solution IMO. I think withdrawal from the system is the best bet but it would take possibly decades to implement a proper solution for black Americans in a way that we can flourish as a whole.

So in the mean time I guess it's vote and hope until enough people are ready to come up with a new and unified plan of operation.

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Spot on. Folks voting every couple years just stroking they ego, feeling like they actually contributed. These candidates aint for us, they for big dollars, power and control. Same folks talking bout how voting for obama was so monumental are the same folks making excuses about how the president cant do much, dont know how govt works blah blah blah. Elections are a joke, a facade, and if you cant see that after this season then i pitty your naivete. Smart dumb ****** for real, know nothing about what bernays was doing on the political scene decades ago but thing they politicsl experts. They cant even comprehend what a political expert is. This is why crooks keep crooking.

FrankMatthews said:

RIP sleazyy said:

Deuce King said:

Too many SMART-DUMB ****** that think ignoring or not participating in the "system" that we ALL face day in and day out is somehow going to help. Any black person that doesn't vote makes a white supremacist job easier to do. Dudes just rolling over and playing dead hoping they won't get effected....on that "if they don't see me maybe they won't bother me" mindset.

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Too many smart dumb ****** thinking participating is the direct solution too though. White supremacists job is always easy, that's why they been flourishing for 600 years with no sign of slowing down.

Its don't participate and hope you aren't effected, or participate and hope you eventually stop being effected in your lifetime or your kids lifetime.

The problem is very obviously bigger than participation when it comes to blacks in America. The system itself isn't set up for us to participate and change. I believe in participation helping somewhat, small victories are important, but that's not the big solution IMO. I think withdrawal from the system is the best bet but it would take possibly decades to implement a proper solution for black Americans in a way that we can flourish as a whole.

So in the mean time I guess it's vote and hope until enough people are ready to come up with a new and unified plan of operation.

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Spot on. Folks voting every couple years just stroking they ego, feeling like they actually contributed. These candidates aint for us, they for big dollars, power and control. Same folks talking bout how voting for obama was so monumental are the same folks making excuses about how the president cant do much, dont know how govt works blah blah blah. Elections are a joke, a facade, and if you cant see that after this season then i pitty your naivete. Smart dumb ****** for real, know nothing about what bernays was doing on the political scene decades ago but thing they politicsl experts. They cant even comprehend what a political expert is. This is why crooks keep crooking.

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Only solution is to insert ourselves into the systems that we need to benefit us. Back during Jim Crow, black people didn't sit and hope that one day integration would happen in the mean time they won't open their own stores, build their own communities, etc. They did what they needed to do. Fast forward to integration and it made us more complacent and dependent on the political structure of this country and those "in charge"

Fact of the matter is, we need to start doing for self and get to a position where we truly are needed to get elected or we get elected ourselves.

FrankMatthews said:

Spot on. Folks voting every couple years just stroking they ego, feeling like they actually contributed. These candidates aint for us, they for big dollars, power and control. Same folks talking bout how voting for obama was so monumental are the same folks making excuses about how the president cant do much, dont know how govt works blah blah blah. Elections are a joke, a facade, and if you cant see that after this season then i pitty your naivete. Smart dumb ****** for real, know nothing about what bernays was doing on the political scene decades ago but thing they politicsl experts. They cant even comprehend what a political expert is. This is why crooks keep crooking.

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  spot on....... nice to see a couple of people actually get it. 

Hoteps, hoteps everywhere.

Mamba MVP said:

Hoteps, hoteps everywhere.

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Is this where you really taking it?

Dathbgboy said:

Only solution is to insert ourselves into the systems that we need to benefit us. Back during Jim Crow, black people didn't sit and hope that one day integration would happen in the mean time they won't open their own stores, build their own communities, etc. They did what they needed to do. Fast forward to integration and it made us more complacent and dependent on the political structure of this country and those "in charge"

Fact of the matter is, we need to start doing for self and get to a position where we truly are needed to get elected or we get elected ourselves.

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Exactly. Folks wanna mark they name on a piece of paper then go home and watch tv and wait for the change to come flooding in. Meanwhile the rich laughing all the way to the bank at you nationalist zombies. And that goes for both sides of the aisle. Cause trump dont give a **** about that white trash that voted for him. Bush dont give a **** about a christian value. Yet these ******* drones eat it up every dam election. **** is pitiful.

Rollinwithangel said:

Is this where you really taking it?

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That's what a lot of the commentary sounds like honestly. Especially when it's not grounded in reality at all.

Mamba MVP said:

Rollinwithangel said:

Is this where you really taking it?

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That's what a lot of the commentary sounds like honestly. Especially when it's not grounded in reality at all.

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Reality looks a lot different to a house *****