2013-2014 NBA Season Thread - Congrats to the Spurs, DBD is still a buster

[shoeking2101]

AI >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Wade.

Depends on how much you value winning and although not winning doesn't take away from your greatness, winning does add to your greatness and that's why Wade is ahead of Allen Iverson when we're talking about all time 2 guards. He was also a better defender as well.

However, those two are really close and it's virtually a draw minus the rings for D Wade.

 

[illoquent aka dsk]

I stay FAR away from the weekly Kobe/MJ/LBJ talk but this needs to be addressed because I've seen it too much on here.

Anyone who watches Inside The NBA religiously and STILL maintains that Kobe "ran Shaq out" or deserves most/all of the blame is either out of their mind or emotionally unfit to take part in any serious discussion involving #24.

Never mind the stories and direct quotes from Shaq on numerous conflicts he was involved in during his time in the league. We have hours of footage of big homie in a loose environment as a retired player amongst his peers. It's about as relaxed and chill of a setting there is for professionals on TV yet his behavior constantly reminds you why he left on bad terms with half the teams he played for.

I love Shaq. Easily one of my favorite personalities in sports. But he is pound for pound the pettiest ***** on this planet and it's been that way forever.

 

[Deleted member 37467]

Make no mistake...Miami is Dwayne Wade's team. He's the leader. They're coming to him...unless Bron goes OFF in the Finals, it'll be Wade winning MVP's.

Yes, Wade and Bosh tarnish his case for GOAT. People wanna talk about Kobe and Shaq...well, what's this then?

LeBron making the move to another man's team/city is a concession that he ISN'T the Alpha Dog.

Boo this man,

 

[mister friendly]

I actually thought about Iverson but then you'd have to put Nash on the list then probably KG,Kidd, Wade, McGrady, Howard, VC,Pierce and maybe Melo

if kg kidd iverson and wade can't be on your list i don't see how in the hell u can include dirk. 

Dirk won a ring as the go to go guy and went to the Finals another time. He won a NBA Finals MVP, He won an NBA MVP, was in the top 3 in voting another couple times, he led his team to 11 straight 50 win seasons with few 60 win seasons

KG, Kidd, Iverson and Wade don't have all those accomplishments together like Dirk

 

[awwsome]

Depends on how much you value winning and although not winning doesn't take away from your greatness, winning does add to your greatness and that's why Wade is ahead of Allen Iverson when we're talking about all time 2 guards. He was also a better defender as well.

However, those two are really close and it's virtually a draw minus the rings for D Wade.

Wade's defense makes him easily more valuable than AI.

 

[clyde the glide]

Dirk won a ring as the go to go guy and went to the Finals another time. He won a NBA Finals MVP, He won an NBA MVP, was in the top 3 in voting another couple times, he led his team to 11 straight 50 win seasons with few 60 win seasons

KG, Kidd, Iverson and Wade don't have all those accomplishments together like Dirk

they have different combos of accomplishments.  kg has mvp, dpoy, and was the backbone of a team that won a ring its first season together and would have been in the finals three straight years if not for an injury.  that already beats dirk and thats without counting all star appearances, all nba teams and what not.  wade has more rings and averaged almost 40 in the finals against dirks team.   iverson and kidd took teams that were worse than most mavs b squads to the finals.  the consistency u mentioned is impressive but thats more a nod to mavs management than it is him.  dirk has been very fortunate to have good management and lebron not wanting to compete yet in 2011

now if u actually wanna talk ball and bring up skills and capabilities than he has even less of a case over those guys

 

[illoquent aka dsk]

The rest of the quote was great too.

Originally Posted by iLLoQuent aka DSK  
 

Originally Posted by DoubleJs07

If Lebron goes to Chicago and wins a championship, he's going to be faulted by many for playing with a great PG in Rose....if he goes to NY and wins a championship, he's going to be faulted for playing with a premier 4 in STAT. 

There's a difference between playing with Rose and co./STAT and co. vs. Wade/Bosh and co.

He would be THE man if he's in Chicago, Cleveland, NY, NJ, etc. He will forever be Robin by going to MIA. Not saying it's bad...but his legacy won't be looked at the same, no matter how many rings they win down there.

Dumb ***.

It's painful how many times he's shut me up over the past few years. He's still a **** boy though...that hasn't changed.

If they win again please ship me one of your finest Vegas escorts with a side of blow so I can get over the **** quicker. Anything more than a weekend and I'll tell ****** my name is Kwadell.

 

[Deleted member 37467]

I already have a girl lined up for you, bro.

Her name is Raymona,

 

[illoquent aka dsk]

sgfl;k;jgsld;g;fd

 

[mister friendly]

Dirk won a ring as the go to go guy and went to the Finals another time. He won a NBA Finals MVP, He won an NBA MVP, was in the top 3 in voting another couple times, he led his team to 11 straight 50 win seasons with few 60 win seasons


KG, Kidd, Iverson and Wade don't have all those accomplishments together like Dirk

they have different combos of accomplishments.  kg has mvp, dpoy, and was the backbone of a team that won a ring its first season together and would have been in the finals three straight years if not for an injury.  that already beats dirk and thats without counting all star appearances, all nba teams and what not.  wade has more rings and averaged almost 40 in the finals against dirks team.   iverson and kidd took teams that were worse than most mavs b squads to the finals.  the consistency u mentioned is impressive but thats more a nod to mavs management than it is him.  dirk has been very fortunate to have good management and lebron not wanting to compete yet in 2011

now if u actually wanna talk ball and bring up skills and capabilities than he has even less of a case over those guys

Yeah those guys have some of those accomplishments but not all of them together like Dirk does and like the rest of guys on my list except Durant.

KG didn't make the NBA Finals 3 straight years though, he didn't win the Finals MVP either when they won it so its debatable if he was the go to go guy. Dirk has more All-NBA selections than KG.

Wade has more rings then Dirk but that's mainly courtesy of Lebron plus Dirk beat Wade and Lebron together.

The argument for Iverson and Kidds taking the teams worse than Most Mavs squad works in Dirks favor, if Iverson and Kidds teams were in the West they would've lost in the 1st round and vice versa if Dirk played in the East, his teams probably would've been to the NBA Finals at least 5 times.

 

[big j 33]

DSK wouldn't be able to seal the deal because all he'd see is this face in his head

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[clyde the glide]

Yeah those guys have some of those accomplishments but not all of them together like Dirk does and like the rest of guys on my list except Durant.

KG didn't make the NBA Finals 3 straight years though, he didn't win the Finals MVP either when they won it so its debatable if he was the go to go guy. Dirk has more All-NBA selections than KG.

Wade has more rings then Dirk but that's mainly courtesy of Lebron plus Dirk beat Wade and Lebron together.

The argument for Iverson and Kidds taking the teams worse than Most Mavs squad works in Dirks favor, if Iverson and Kidds teams were in the West they would've lost in the 1st round and vice versa if Dirk played in the East, his teams probably would've been to the NBA Finals at least 5 times.

don't forget kg was in the mvp running that year as well and was still the heart and soul of that team.  each time kg was healthy and had a legit squad his teams made a deep run including those 04 wolves.  u clearly didn't count all defensive teams but thats not a surprise from someone arguing dirk> kg and others who don't only play one side of the floor.  i also can't think of many other players aside from jordan and dream that won both mvp and dpoy in their careers.

u say wade has 2 additional rings courtesy of lebron but dirk has his only ring courtesy of lebron.  

the iverson and kidd ones aren't as obvious but i believe u originally used the word transcend which is something iverson and kidd did both to a much larger extent than dirk.

 

[mister friendly]

Yeah those guys have some of those accomplishments but not all of them together like Dirk does and like the rest of guys on my list except Durant.


KG didn't make the NBA Finals 3 straight years though, he didn't win the Finals MVP either when they won it so its debatable if he was the go to go guy. Dirk has more All-NBA selections than KG.


Wade has more rings then Dirk but that's mainly courtesy of Lebron plus Dirk beat Wade and Lebron together.


The argument for Iverson and Kidds taking the teams worse than Most Mavs squad works in Dirks favor, if Iverson and Kidds teams were in the West they would've lost in the 1st round and vice versa if Dirk played in the East, his teams probably would've been to the NBA Finals at least 5 times.

don't forget kg was in the mvp running that year as well and was still the heart and soul of that team.  each time kg was healthy and had a legit squad his teams made a deep run including those 04 wolves.  u clearly didn't count all defensive teams but thats not a surprise from someone arguing dirk> kg and others who don't only play one side of the floor.  i also can't think of many other players aside from jordan and dream that won both mvp and dpoy in their careers.

u say wade has 2 additional rings courtesy of lebron but dirk has his only ring courtesy of lebron.  

the iverson and kidd ones aren't as obvious but i believe u originally used the word transcend which is something iverson and kidd did both to a much larger extent than dirk.

Look KG was great but I think somebody talked about it earlier in this thread, KG never really was clutch.

Sometimes it about when you get stats

He's not necessarily the guy you remember when you think those Celtics teams unlike Dirk was to the Mavs.

Dirk while he wasn't close to KG's level on defense, he did play defense, he's 6 on the active list for defensive win shares.

 

[clyde the glide]

Look KG was great but I think somebody talked about it earlier in this thread, KG never really was clutch.

Sometimes it about when you get stats

He's not necessarily the guy you remember when you think those Celtics teams unlike Dirk was to the Mavs.

Dirk while he wasn't close to KG's level on defense, he did play defense, he's 6 on the active list for defensive win shares

earlier in this thread people were debating kg vs the best pf of all time with legit arguments so i could really care less if we didn't see many clutch moments from a big man who played with ray and pierce during his contending years.  and according to that same defensive win shares list tony parker is a better defender than josh smith, wade, iguodala, rondo and my boy hinrich.  

 

[gvhp2223]

 
And then you woke up. Young LeBron couldn't make a jumper to save his life 

Couldn't make a jumper to save his life, yet he shot over 47% in his SECOND season (and every season beyond).

Meanwhile, Bean has never shot 47% in his 18 NBA seasons.

LeBron James' TENTH best shooting season is better than all 18 of Bean Bryant's shooting seasons, yet somehow LeBron would have had trouble putting the ball in the basket if he teamed with Shaq.

And that's without even bringing up the fact that a wing player's shooting percentage should increase when you have constantly had legit centers drawing triple/double teams throughout your career.

How do you have trouble shooting 47% when you had Shaq drawing triple teams and Bynum/Gasol/Howard drawing double teams?

And LeBron has shot under 47% only once (and as high as 56-57% twice) without EVER having a post player that draws double teams (unless you count the one season he had a washed-up Shaq).

I don't know what the hell is wrong with people that think LeBron James and Bean Bryant are in the same stratosphere when it comes to putting the ball in the basket in NBA basketball... it's not even close to being close.

"Young LeBron couldn't make a jumper to save his life" so he couldn't win 6 chips with Shaq, yet Bean Bryant is the biggest brick-layer in the history of the solar system and won 3 with Shaq.

 

[Deleted member 37467]

Iverson has Kobe beat in the brick laying dept by a wide margin.

 

[jayfiend]

Man y'all be into this stuff deep. DF is defensive win shares?

 

[clyde the glide]

Man y'all be into this stuff deep. DF is defensive win shares?

had no idea until he brought it up so i checked it out.  seems like its basically a list of the oldest players who have been on successful teams.  

 

[Deleted member 37467]

A metric that estimates the number of wins a player produces for his team due to his defensive ability.

Just for ***** and giggles...

Duncan is #2 all time on the defensive win shares list, KG is #7, Dirk is #39 and Melo is #242.

 

[ohmygosher]

^

What the hell is your point with these shooting percentages?

Does Deandre Jordan's 68% this year mean he's a good shooter?

Ya boy couldn't shoot (and still can't really).

 

[jayfiend]

Man they are going to far with this stats stuff. They try try to calculate everything.

Sometimes you just have to watch the player Stats don't tell the whole story in any sport except maybe boxing IMO.

KG was a beast he was definitely the heart of that championship BOS team.

KG
Duncan
Dirk
Malone

All great but Duncan has to be at the top because he has been the most consistent and that shows because he's in the finals again this year.

 

[clyde the glide]

Man they are going to far with this stats stuff. They try try to calculate everything.

Sometimes you just have to watch the player Stats don't tell the whole story in any sport except maybe boxing IMO.

KG was a beast he was definitely the heart of that championship BOS team.

KG
Duncan
Dirk
Malone

All great but Duncan has to be at the top because he has been the most consistent and that shows because he's in the finals again this year.

yea that **** is a straight joke.  carlos boozer, dirk, and tony parker aren't producing wins for their teams with their defense.  they're simply guys who have been lucky enough to play for a while on good defensive teams, which is why they are high on that irrelevant and inaccurate list.  

 

[jayfiend]

Being a bulls fan I know for ******* fact Carlos Boozer ain't producing **** with his defense.

 

[gvhp2223]

The 06 Lakers nearly would have upset the Suns but Bean Bryant failed to make a series-clinching jumper (airball) at the buzzer in game 6 because he's been pathetic in the clutch his whole career. They were up 3-1 on the Suns.
 

Fixed.

You can blame Kwame Brown though, it seems like someone is always to blame whenever Bean chokes.

Blame Kwame Brown for not getting the rebound, even though there were 4 Lakers closer to the rebound than Kwame, with Bean being the 2nd closest.

 

[gvhp2223]

It TAKES a team to win a championship my dude. It's not Kobe fault that his teammates weren't good enough and he didn't get help until Gasol arrived and Lakers finally got some legitimates pieces to form a championship team in 09 season.

Wait... it's not Bean's fault that the Lakers weren't a contender and he didn't get help until Gasol arrived in 2008?

That's funny, because I clearly remember it being Bean's fault that the Lakers went from a perennial contender from 2000-2004 to a lottery team in 2005.

What is it about Lakers' fans that require them to be mind-bogglingly delusional just to defend this clown?