I think he can still be recognized as top 20-30… saying, "he can't be top _ " is just straight ignorant imo
This was discussed on TV once, intent is taken into a consideration, this is a pass
real question, is that considered a pass or a missed fg?
I'm the one that said it and I've watched this guy from the jump. You just learn what the prevailing opinions of players are nowadays. It is what it is, I used to argue this all the time but I have given up. The same things are always said. "His averages are this" "Hes only getting in because of international play" peoples emphasis on what the stats are is too great.The asterisk next to his name has me a little flabbergasted. Now he's just a dude who comes off the bench. Take away the international stuff and he's still a HOF player. If you don't remember, just ******* say you don't remember him in the 2000's instead of all this nonsense
I think he can still be recognized as top 20-30… saying, "he can't be top _ " is just straight ignorant imo
arguments can be made about VC, AI, Tmac, Ray
I'm the one that said it and I've watched this guy from the jump. You just learn what the prevailing opinions of players are nowadays. It is what it is, I used to argue this all the time but I have given up. The same things are always said. "His averages are this" "Hes only getting in because of international play" peoples emphasis on what the stats are is too great.
The asterisk next to his name has me a little flabbergasted. Now he's just a dude who comes off the bench. Take away the international stuff and he's still a HOF player. If you don't remember, just ******* say you don't remember him in the 2000's instead of all this nonsense
I just think it's crazy to say there's an asterisk next to his name. It's honestly something I've only heard on here (that and the "only because of international play" BS). There are just some obscene things said that make you scratch your head people talk about him like he's some sidekick who rode TP's/TD's coattails to 3 rings.
for the minutes he plays, manu's productivity is just as good
fixed
ESPN Said it the other day too, I've learned to stop thinking about.I know where you're coming from man and you know I wasn't coming at you or anythingI'm the one that said it and I've watched this guy from the jump. You just learn what the prevailing opinions of players are nowadays. It is what it is, I used to argue this all the time but I have given up. The same things are always said. "His averages are this" "Hes only getting in because of international play" peoples emphasis on what the stats are is too great.
The asterisk next to his name has me a little flabbergasted. Now he's just a dude who comes off the bench. Take away the international stuff and he's still a HOF player. If you don't remember, just ******* say you don't remember him in the 2000's instead of all this nonsenseI just think it's crazy to say there's an asterisk next to his name. It's honestly something I've only heard on here (that and the "only because of international play" BS). There are just some obscene things said that make you scratch your headpeople talk about him like he's some sidekick who rode TP's/TD's coattails to 3 rings.
