Chicago Bulls Offseason Thread

[Bend_The_Knee]

you guys think we lock up thibs this summer?

 

[DownByLaw]

Originally Posted by WhatsLosinLike

Move boozer

 

[Air273]

great rid of boozer please! ugh can't stand this dude you knew dude was not a winner when he left lebron and reneged on a blind man....i dont remember much about the story but didnt he pass up a few mil per year to sign with the jazz? 
bulls did great w/o rose this season but only because they had the fact that rose was days away of coming back....w/o rose this team at best is a 6th seed

who are free agents in 2013? not much i bet, that offseason is our last chance to sign a allstar type player

i hated how the howard situation played out in orlando but the bulls should look into getting him if its going to cost gibson/asik i think thats fair.....noah/howard would be amazing big man combo to pair with rose.....maybe the market is so down on howard bulls can get him for boozer and either gibson or asik

if not i think bulls should just get rid of boozer go with the current roster and go with the flow.....bulls might be good enough to make the playoffs and drose can come back if not they can get a high draft pick

got to look for positives in all walks of life my friends, if jordan never broke his leg bulls wouldnt have gotten pippen

 

[lazyj10]

If Rose is going to miss next year's entire season, or there abouts, there's no purpose in amnestying Boozer.

Let him play through next year and assess for the 2013-2014 since you'll have a expiring contract (depending on what happenes this offseason) in Deng as well...

 

[cato312]

Originally Posted by GotHolesInMySocks

you guys think we lock up thibs this summer?

It'd be a really dumb move by the FO if they just picked up his option and not give him a new deal.

I say yes, but the FO will lowball him a bit.  He'll be the coach for a while

 

[scientific method]

Originally Posted by LazyJ10

If Rose is going to miss next year's entire season, or there abouts, there's no purpose in amnestying Boozer.

Let him play through next year and assess for the 2013-2014 since you'll have a expiring contract (depending on what happenes this offseason) in Deng as well...

Doesn't Booz expire in summer after the 14-15 season though? You really willing to put up with that "production" for that price, for that long?

 

[Air273]

if bulls cut boozer they have to pay his entire salary unless a team puts in a bid.....lets say bulls cut him and team A bids 2 mil per year for him and team B bids 3 mil per year, team B gets boozer for 3 mil per year from his current contract and bulls pay rest......i think there will be teams that bid on him......if no team bids he becomes a free agent and bulls pay the entire salary anyway........at least this is the way i understand it........maybe a team that wants boozer gives bulls the word they will bid 3-5 mil if they cut him, i think that offer is too good to pass up...

 

[lazyj10]

The Bulls as a franchise could afford to pay him (aside from not wanting to, for obvious reasons). The important part of all of that is, his contract figure wouldn't count against the cap (speaking to if they use amnesty).   

 

[seymore cake]

CAto312 wrote:

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[h1]http://nba-point-forward.si.com/2012/05/11/carlos-boozer-bulls/[/h1]

[h1]Dump Carlos Boozer? It’s complicated[/h1]
Chicago Bulls, Playoffs | Comments
Carlos Boozer quaked under the burden of being the Bulls’ first scoring option after Derrick Rose tore his ACL in Game 1 against the 76ers. This isn’t shocking: Boozer is not an NBA first option, even if he made $13.5 million this season and will make only about $500,000 less than what Chicago’s real first option will receive next season when Rose’s five-year contract extension kicks in. That tiny 2012-13 salary gap between Boozer ($15 million) and Rose ($15.5 million) speaks more to the difficulty of building an NBA team and signing the right kind of second option, at the right price and at the right time, than it does about Chicago’s management or Boozer’s place in the league.
Boozer just couldn’t do enough on offense to carry Chicago past a scoring-challenged Philadelphia team that is about to start a seven-game race to 80 points against the Celtics. The 30-year-old power forward wasn’t really bad until Game 6 on Thursday, when he shot just 1-of-11 and sat the last 16 minutes as coach Tom Thibodeau rode the same lineup into the ground. He was a combined 2o-of-44 in Games 4 and 5, with 10 assists, and had Chicago in position to win Game 4 in Philadelphia before getting swatted out of a pick-and-roll in crunch time and then fumbling the ball out of another one less than a minute later.

The Bulls ran those plays for Boozer for a reason, though: He is skilled enough and threatening enough to shift defenses a bit his way, creating space for others. Some of those open jumpers that power forward Taj Gibson got flashing to the foul line or hanging around the baseline, for instance, came in part because defenses converged on Boozer during pick-and-rolls or as Boozer slithered around picks near the rim. Point guard C.J. Watson got open looks down the stretch of Game 4 because Philadelphia was more worried about containing Boozer on the roll. Sixers forward Thaddeus Young was late helping on Luol Deng’s “and-one

 

[Air273]

bulls should tell boozer to take his stolen money and buyout Mirotic's team....lets get that dude here

 

[ogbobbyjohnson773]

Originally Posted by Bigmike23

get boozer off this team asap

Word. Allegedly, from what I hear, this dude actually broke his hand in a fight in the club

 

[Animal Thug]

Originally Posted by OGbobbyjohnson773

Originally Posted by Bigmike23

get boozer off this team asap

Word. Allegedly, from what I hear, this dude actually broke his hand in a fight in the club

Dude gotta leave his hand print everywhere, don't he 

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Dude's hand print probably looked like this:


     

 

[illfrozn]

Originally Posted by OGbobbyjohnson773

Originally Posted by Bigmike23

get boozer off this team asap

Word. Allegedly, from what I hear, this dude actually broke his hand in a fight in the club

If true, couldn't we potentially void his deal?

 

[peteweezy]

Man looking at this Pacers series making me heated about what happened to us? We probably could have beat this Heat team without Bosh. Got get my Flo Evans damn, damn, damn!!! Gotta have some lol's

 

[Bend_The_Knee]

Noah To Seek Tutoring From Kareem
http://basketball.realgm....eek_Tutoring_From_Kareem

 

[dmbrhs]

I stopped buying into the I'm-working-out-with-an-NBA-Legend-in-the-offseason-to-improve-my-post-game-even-though-I'm-nowhere-near-as-talented-as-them off-season training strategy many years ago.

 

[crazy dav0]

rose needs 15 months off

 

[mikedamz]

hope we'll see this dude better than ever!

this vid gave me chills

 

[KMante]

Boozer got so lazy when he got that contract from Chicago

 

[cato312]

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[h1]Bulls need to add a star, but how and when?[/h1]
As the Bulls move forward in a seemingly very winnable Eastern Conference, you have to wonder: Is it about competing until Derrick Rose returns, which will happen perhaps late next season or the season after? Or is it about trying to have the pieces in place or the flexibility to go for a championship when he returns and thereafter?

By Sam Smith | 05.21.2012 | 8:30 a.m. CT | asksam@bulls.com | @SamSmithHoops
They have to be calling it the Leastern Conference now, which if not making for great basketball in the Eastern Conference playoffs certainly has to give everyone hope of making the Finals next season.
What, you can’t beat the 76ers, who have now won four playoff games when they shot below 40 percent (and 40.8 percent in a fifth)? Is that even allowed?

The Celtics are on the verge of being broken up with Kevin Garnett, now a perimeter shooting center, and Ray Allen free agents. The Pacers have emerged, but, quick, someone name an All-Star? Someone who deserves to be, anyway. Nice team. But just nice. OK, Chris Bosh will be back, but the way this playoffs has been going for Miami, we don’t know on which team. How about being stuck with Shane Battier, Mike Miller and Udonis Haslem for $30 million combined over the next two years? I’d say they’d take Carlos Boozer for them.

This, of course, makes it all the more depressing for the Bulls, knowing how close the Finals might have been. And maybe it does give the Knicks real hope with Carmelo Anthony, Tyson Chandler and Amar’e Stoudemire. So it should be a wide, wide open East next season with about everyone but Charlotte in the playoff race.

That should include the Bulls assuming, as expected, they retain Omer Asik. With four front court level starters, the Bulls should be playoff competitive even without Derrick Rose. And if they can add just one decent free agent guard like Kirk Hinrich, Andre Miller, Ray Felton, Goran Dragic, Steve Nash, Jason Kidd or Jonny Flynn, then the Bulls should be competing for a top four spot as well.

But is that good enough and is it worth the effort?

That may be the larger question facing a team like the Bulls. Is it about competing until Rose returns, which will happen perhaps late next season or the season after? Or is it about trying to have the pieces in place or the flexibility to go for a championship when he returns and thereafter?

The Bulls the way the East is breaking down did seem to have a chance this season for a title. But they also seem to have the same issue of the lack of another star player. Luol Deng did make the All-Star team, and Joakim Noah presumably would have a chance. But are they true go to guys you can count on? Oklahoma City in Kevin Durant, Russell Westbrook and James Harden seems to have three. The way ESPN set up a bureau in Miami when their Big Three settled there, we assume the Oklahoma City ESPN bureau will be next.

So then the question becomes, how do you get another star?

The draft is one way. Do you try to trade Deng or Noah to get into a pretty good draft this season? Rarely do teams trade lottery picks for players. But the Pacers and Spurs did last season, George Hill for the rights to Kawhi Leonard. And both teams remain pleased. Of course, a team has to have cap room to absorb the player. And that could take them out of free agency. But if they are a small market team maybe they can’t attract someone. Maybe someone takes a shot. It sets you back next season, but perhaps you pluck someone who can be a star level talent in two years as Rose returns and you go for it again in 2014-15 when you also probably can bring over Nikola Mirotic from Europe.

The question then facing the Bulls is whether this team is done and has gone as far as possible and is time to break it up. Or just work Rose back in next season and you have given up maybe a half season or so? And the way the East is why not take another shot with what you have?

Then there’s Free Agency 2.0.

It didn’t go as planned in 2010, though in getting Boozer, Kyle Korver, Ronnie Brewer and C.J. Watson with coach Tom Thibodeau the Bulls put together a deep enough team to be a serious title contender.

But say the Bulls withdraw next season: They keep Rose out, maybe deal Deng or Noah for a pick and miss the playoffs. So then they get another lottery pick in 2013. They bring those young players back with Rose in 2013-14, and then in the summer of 2014, here are the possible free agents:

LeBron James
Dwyane Wade
Chris Bosh
Paul Pierce
Kobe Bryant
Dirk Nowitzki
Ty Lawson
Rodney Stuckey
Monta Ellis
Danny Granger
Andrew Bogut
Emeka Okafor
Andre Iguodala
Evan Turner
Marcin Gortat

Even if the Bulls don’t trade one of their core players, Deng’s contract expires after the 2013-14 season and with one season left they would be in position to use amnesty on Boozer. That would again put the Bulls far enough below the salary cap to attract two top players. The Bulls thought they had James in 2010. He liked Thibodeau. Miami may not work. He’ll hardly be too old, and he’ll still be a star.

And Rose will be just 26 with three years left on his Bulls deal. Rose then would have less pressure to rehabilitate and given two years to work back would be as close to healthy as he’ll ever be, presumably, if not fully recovered. And who knows what the Bulls can turn that potential 2016 Charlotte pick into by then. It’s just two seasons. Try now or try later? It’s a good question.

 

[bishopstrongbow]

^^

That article just #*+@+! my head up and reminded me what just happened this season..

SMH

 

[arstyle27]

And people still talking @!*! saying we wouldve had no chance of beating Miami.....


%%!@ that...Miami had no chance of beating us.  %%!@ karma for those Miami %%!@

 

[grusumm18]

what in the hell?!?


1. The Chicago Bulls trade C Joakim Noah and the No. 29 pick to the Sacramento Kings for G Tyreke Evans and the No. 5 pick.


The Kings are rumored to want another big man to pair with DeMarcus Cousins, and the unselfish, defense-oriented style of Noah would be a perfect on-court fit. The trade works financially because of the amount of cap space the Kings have, so there are no concerns there. The Kings would still have Marcus Thornton to play the 2 while hoping that Isaiah Thomas or, gulp, Jimmer Fredette turns out to be a long-term answer in the backcourt as well. And, who knows, perhaps the big numbers Terrence Williams put up at the end of last season were for real. It wasn't that long ago that he was a lottery pick.

A starting five of Thomas, Thornton, Williams, Noah and Cousins works well in terms of complementary skills. It's a jumping-off point for a group still searching for some kind of concrete identity. Noah would bring heart and soul to Sacramento, or wherever the Kings end up playing long-term. Frankly, those are qualities the Kings have lacked for quite some time.

The swap of picks is important from the Bulls' standpoint, as they would want to add another center to replace Noah, and Connecticut's Andre Drummond would fit in nicely, either as a starter or as a backup to Omer Asik. If Drummond is gone, then Thomas Robinson or, even, Jared Sullinger could be a possibility, or they could opt for Harrison Barnes as the eventual successor to Luol Deng at the 3.

When healthy, Noah is an All-Star type of player, while Evans has regressed during his NBA career, so the Bulls could hold out for the pick swap. The money the Bulls save from dealing Noah would help them keep Asik, a restricted free agent this summer, as well as Taj Gibson, who can become one next year.

Evans could run the point while Derrick Rose recovers from knee surgery, then play alongside him when he comes back. The Bulls desperately need a second shot-creator, and Evans could be that guy. Evans has underachieved defensively in the NBA, but Tom Thibodeau would cure him of that. He has the physical traits of someone that should be an elite defensive guard.

Evans will be a restricted free agent next year, so Chicago would get a season to evaluate him as an extension candidate, which they could pull off by amnestying Carlos Boozer. He's the kind of high-ceiling player that's going to be difficult for Chicago to obtain going forward, so if, as rumored, he's on the market, it's time to pounce.

 

[imasoleman18]

Originally Posted by grusumm18

what in the hell?!?


1. The Chicago Bulls trade C Joakim Noah and the No. 29 pick to the Sacramento Kings for G Tyreke Evans and the No. 5 pick.


The Kings are rumored to want another big man to pair with DeMarcus Cousins, and the unselfish, defense-oriented style of Noah would be a perfect on-court fit. The trade works financially because of the amount of cap space the Kings have, so there are no concerns there. The Kings would still have Marcus Thornton to play the 2 while hoping that Isaiah Thomas or, gulp, Jimmer Fredette turns out to be a long-term answer in the backcourt as well. And, who knows, perhaps the big numbers Terrence Williams put up at the end of last season were for real. It wasn't that long ago that he was a lottery pick.

A starting five of Thomas, Thornton, Williams, Noah and Cousins works well in terms of complementary skills. It's a jumping-off point for a group still searching for some kind of concrete identity. Noah would bring heart and soul to Sacramento, or wherever the Kings end up playing long-term. Frankly, those are qualities the Kings have lacked for quite some time.

The swap of picks is important from the Bulls' standpoint, as they would want to add another center to replace Noah, and Connecticut's Andre Drummond would fit in nicely, either as a starter or as a backup to Omer Asik. If Drummond is gone, then Thomas Robinson or, even, Jared Sullinger could be a possibility, or they could opt for Harrison Barnes as the eventual successor to Luol Deng at the 3.

When healthy, Noah is an All-Star type of player, while Evans has regressed during his NBA career, so the Bulls could hold out for the pick swap. The money the Bulls save from dealing Noah would help them keep Asik, a restricted free agent this summer, as well as Taj Gibson, who can become one next year.

Evans could run the point while Derrick Rose recovers from knee surgery, then play alongside him when he comes back. The Bulls desperately need a second shot-creator, and Evans could be that guy. Evans has underachieved defensively in the NBA, but Tom Thibodeau would cure him of that. He has the physical traits of someone that should be an elite defensive guard.

Evans will be a restricted free agent next year, so Chicago would get a season to evaluate him as an extension candidate, which they could pull off by amnestying Carlos Boozer. He's the kind of high-ceiling player that's going to be difficult for Chicago to obtain going forward, so if, as rumored, he's on the market, it's time to pounce.

 

[albooboo]

The Bulls are open to making a trade before the draft, notably a deal including Luol Deng, according to a league source.

With roughly $56 million committed to Deng, Derrick Rose, Carlos Boozer, and Joakim Noah, Chicago is likely looking to clear cap space because of luxury-tax concerns.

Toronto and Golden State have been mentioned as possible trade partners.

http://www.dailyherald.co...120617/sports/706179847/
By Mike McGraw

When John Paxson first took over as Bulls general manager in 2003, he mentioned an early piece of advice he received from a more experienced colleague: “Never trade an established player for a nonestablished player.