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Love what Barkley said... cause its the truth
He said no disrespect
He said no disrespect
Kobe advises '12 team would beat Dream Team
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i understand because of the general youth that seems to be on display, that everyone wants to focus on the mismatches the 2012 team would seem to force (hence, the athleticism talk).. but let's look at this practically:
1) the 2012 teams has 1 center who is very limited offensively.. does chandler play the whole game to TRY and matchup with ewing and robinson?
- who are both far superior to him offensively and AT LEAST equally as good defensively.. plus both can cheat off of chandler to protect the rim
2) if chandler does come out of the game, who then matches up with the aforementioned ewing or robinson?
3) yes lebron is a physical freak, but if he is playing at power forward or hell even center.. how do you think he will do against malone, barkley, ewing and/or robinson? and how does having to guard those guys affect him offensively?
same can be question for melo.. or anyone else who has to guard any of those 4 (griffin and love)
and for KD (he played a some PF and even center in the world championships).. (as much as I hate to admit this) KD has proved that he struggles at times when defendors get physical with him, what does everyone think the '92 team is going to do when the rules allow you to be physical on defense?
4) i understand kobe fans are going to defend him with their every breath, but he did wear down when having to play against westbrook and harden on defense AND then having those guys plus harden and KD go at him on the defensive side in that series against us (go check his 4th quarter shooting stats from that series)..
so what then happens when he has to guard a 29 year old michael jordan.. or a 30 year old drexler who had just come off a season where he averaged 25 pts 6.7 asts and 6.6 rbs?
5) IF i were coaching the '92 squad, i look at the 2012 team like this:
- chandler - very weak offensive player (ewing and/or robinson would be able to cheat off of him to protect the rim)
- iggy - again not the strongest offensive player (if he's in the game you can switch jordan and/or pippen onto other guys defensively)
- love - not the strongest defensive player (i think the '92 team goes zone with him in the game, so he'll be guarded by wing guys on the perimeter and post guys in the post)
- griffin - not a good shooter or defender (malone and/or barkley would be able to cheat off of him to protect the rim)
- KD - spotty defender, lacks strength and can get pushed around
- kobe - age.. he has to go up against a 29 year old jordan and 30 year old drexler.. unless they stick him on mullin or something when he's in the game
- harden - not the strongest defender
- westbrook - youth/sporadic.. if he plays the SG spot (as he did at times in the world championships) he has to go up against the jordan/drexler combo, who are both bigger and both very athletic
- deron - if he's playing SG that means he's going up against jordan and drexler.. how do you see that working out?
- melo - see above about what position he plays
- chris paul - the '92 team would have the luxury of putting jordan on him (think about it).. and putting the 6'9 magic on KD.. or they could go with no PG and let pippen play point forward (again giving them the luxury of switching jordan onto paul or whatever PG)
- lebron - he can only guard 1 guy on the court.. and if he's the second biggest guy on the court (next to chandler), do you then put him on malone or barkley defensively?
and if you switch him onto another player (say magic or jordan), what does that then do to everyone else defensively? who does the PG or SG then guard?
1) the 2012 teams has 1 center who is very limited offensively.. does chandler play the whole game to TRY and matchup with ewing and robinson?
- who are both far superior to him offensively and AT LEAST equally as good defensively.. plus both can cheat off of chandler to protect the rim
2) if chandler does come out of the game, who then matches up with the aforementioned ewing or robinson?
3) yes lebron is a physical freak, but if he is playing at power forward or hell even center.. how do you think he will do against malone, barkley, ewing and/or robinson? and how does having to guard those guys affect him offensively?
same can be question for melo.. or anyone else who has to guard any of those 4 (griffin and love)
and for KD (he played a some PF and even center in the world championships).. (as much as I hate to admit this) KD has proved that he struggles at times when defendors get physical with him, what does everyone think the '92 team is going to do when the rules allow you to be physical on defense?
4) i understand kobe fans are going to defend him with their every breath, but he did wear down when having to play against westbrook and harden on defense AND then having those guys plus harden and KD go at him on the defensive side in that series against us (go check his 4th quarter shooting stats from that series)..
so what then happens when he has to guard a 29 year old michael jordan.. or a 30 year old drexler who had just come off a season where he averaged 25 pts 6.7 asts and 6.6 rbs?
5) IF i were coaching the '92 squad, i look at the 2012 team like this:
- chandler - very weak offensive player (ewing and/or robinson would be able to cheat off of him to protect the rim)
- iggy - again not the strongest offensive player (if he's in the game you can switch jordan and/or pippen onto other guys defensively)
- love - not the strongest defensive player (i think the '92 team goes zone with him in the game, so he'll be guarded by wing guys on the perimeter and post guys in the post)
- griffin - not a good shooter or defender (malone and/or barkley would be able to cheat off of him to protect the rim)
- KD - spotty defender, lacks strength and can get pushed around
- kobe - age.. he has to go up against a 29 year old jordan and 30 year old drexler.. unless they stick him on mullin or something when he's in the game
- harden - not the strongest defender
- westbrook - youth/sporadic.. if he plays the SG spot (as he did at times in the world championships) he has to go up against the jordan/drexler combo, who are both bigger and both very athletic
- deron - if he's playing SG that means he's going up against jordan and drexler.. how do you see that working out?
- melo - see above about what position he plays
- chris paul - the '92 team would have the luxury of putting jordan on him (think about it).. and putting the 6'9 magic on KD.. or they could go with no PG and let pippen play point forward (again giving them the luxury of switching jordan onto paul or whatever PG)
- lebron - he can only guard 1 guy on the court.. and if he's the second biggest guy on the court (next to chandler), do you then put him on malone or barkley defensively?
and if you switch him onto another player (say magic or jordan), what does that then do to everyone else defensively? who does the PG or SG then guard?
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Michael Jordan came out and said that theres NO WAY the 2012 Olympic team could have beaten the Dream Team.
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LeBron would mash on those dudes
Reggie Miller is not that nice, Melo is way better.
Reggie Miller is not that nice, Melo is way better.
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lmfa0 @ jordan absolutely laughing ...
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LOL, hope he was not serous.
You simply cannot beat a team with several players in their prime:
Michael Jordan
Charles Barkley
Patrick Ewing
Karl Malone
Scottie Pippen
John Stockton
Chris Mullin
Clyde Drexler
David Robinson
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aging but still formidable super stars
Larry Bird
Magic Johnson
(Christian Laettner......imagine they picked Shaquille O'Neal instead!)
Hope I did not forget someone
You simply cannot beat a team with several players in their prime:
Michael Jordan
Charles Barkley
Patrick Ewing
Karl Malone
Scottie Pippen
John Stockton
Chris Mullin
Clyde Drexler
David Robinson
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aging but still formidable super stars
Larry Bird
Magic Johnson
(Christian Laettner......imagine they picked Shaquille O'Neal instead!)
Hope I did not forget someone
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I've tried to find words to respond to this and just can't.
I am not mad at Kobe for saying this. But goodness gracious I have yet to see an argument in here that would make me think twice to believe that the '12 would even come close to beating the DREAM TEAM.
I am not mad at Kobe for saying this. But goodness gracious I have yet to see an argument in here that would make me think twice to believe that the '12 would even come close to beating the DREAM TEAM.
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See this is an issue when you compare teams/players across eras.
The reason why there are better athletes today is not because of human evolution like some of you want to attribute it to but because of technology. Legal and illegal. Technological breakthroughs in dieting, supplements, and outright cheating (if you are one to subscribe to that). But that is the reason the athletes today are more explosive.
Now, if we are going to compare, we would have to either.
A. Give the 1992 the luxury of those technologies
B. Make 2008/2012 use the technologies of 1992.
You pick one.
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Kobe is trolling everyone
hes just doing this for media coverage
hes just doing this for media coverage
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Originally Posted by cRazy dav0
lmfa0 @ jordan absolutely laughing ...
Because he was supposed to say they had no chance? Jordan has to say that.
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All of this. No comparison
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On who? Name someone who is known for being physical that Bron has mashed on. Because Chuck, David, Karl, & Ewing were definitely known for being physical. Bron wouldn't know how to handle the constant abuse on every drive. And they would just be fouls, nothing more.
Maybe on Stockton thats about it
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This dude Kobe .. Cmon son
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Originally Posted by AG 47
Originally Posted by cRazy dav0
lmfa0 @ jordan absolutely laughing ...
Because he was supposed to say they had no chance? Jordan has to say that.
i loved the response .... i agree w/ jordan ... i laughed at jordan's reaction ... that is all my reply meant ... i thought i implied who i sided w/ in my earlier response ...
For the record ... jordan's reaction is the correct one ... i just found it funny that he would say that b/c i imagined him saying that and started laughing even more
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If you think lebron wouldn't be able to dunk on the dream team your out of line.Imrespect the dream team but I don't revere and hold them above anybodyi take in account they were a great team but you all are being ignorant and biased .Lebron is as fast as mike and as strong as Malone.You take off the limitations the league places on them by calls and refereeing then a lot of these dudes would play drastically tougher ain't nothing soft about these dudes they exploit a system that is meant to force them to play softer .
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Actually, I might have to change my stance (backdoor insult forthcoming).
It's almost universally agreed upon that the league was more physical back then than it is now.
So a part if me wants to say that the physicality that Malone, Ewing, Robinson, & Barkley played w/ inside would disrupt the penetration game, and the physicality & tenacity Pippen & Jordan played w/ would at least frustrate the perimeter jump shooters.
But then I remembered that '12 has Wade, CP3, & Blake.
So if it's refs like today, refs that fall for al these shenanigans, I might have to w/ '12.
If it's refs that let ' em play, '92 wins.
If there are no refs, & it's a playground game, '92 dominates.
It's almost universally agreed upon that the league was more physical back then than it is now.
So a part if me wants to say that the physicality that Malone, Ewing, Robinson, & Barkley played w/ inside would disrupt the penetration game, and the physicality & tenacity Pippen & Jordan played w/ would at least frustrate the perimeter jump shooters.
But then I remembered that '12 has Wade, CP3, & Blake.
So if it's refs like today, refs that fall for al these shenanigans, I might have to w/ '12.
If it's refs that let ' em play, '92 wins.
If there are no refs, & it's a playground game, '92 dominates.
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Jordan talks smack because he's a hater foreal. Dude shows no love to anybody
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I think he would get planted on his $+$ and we would see a lebron similar to the finals against the mavericks. stay outside, take jumpers.
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magic, mj and scottie kept him off the team, but youre right, that has nothing to do with this discussion lol.
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If Bron were as fast as Mike and as strong as Karl, he would absolutely be destroying the league; not just wow-ing everyone, but actually dominating.
C'mon, man. This past postseason was the first time Bron dominated from start to finish. That 1992 squad had multiple dudes who had already had that MENTALITY that postseasons/important games are time to do work.
These dudes, man, they ain't got the mentality y'all think they do. CP3, Blake, Bron, Melo, Durant, Wade... what about them makes y'all think they got that killer instinct to battle against some focused, physical greats?
C'mon, man. This past postseason was the first time Bron dominated from start to finish. That 1992 squad had multiple dudes who had already had that MENTALITY that postseasons/important games are time to do work.
These dudes, man, they ain't got the mentality y'all think they do. CP3, Blake, Bron, Melo, Durant, Wade... what about them makes y'all think they got that killer instinct to battle against some focused, physical greats?
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I think CP3 has that instinct. problem is he's a PG and not as good as isiah. (and you know i hate isiah but he was amazing)
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Y'all read everything Money said though? Dude will forever be thee ultimate @+@ hole.