my poker people..got a question.

[doyung9]

Originally Posted by jasoner27

Originally Posted by doyung9

Another story, just want some of you guys take on this.

Was playing 1-2 NL the other day... so this older guy at the table has been pre-flop raising every other hand... $35, $40, $50... just power betting everyone out the game. So I knew I could take most of his stack if I just caught the right cards at the right time (duh, right?).

Here's what happened.

I get dealt KK. I'm 3 spots behind the old guy. He pre-flop raises to $40. I call. Guy 3 spots behind me calls. Everyone else folds. Flop comes out 9-8-5, all different suits. At this point, I'm thinking the old guy has got Q-Q or J-J. He goes all in like $150. I'm convinced it's the Q-Q, so I call. Then the other guy also calls. Turn is 7. River is a 2. Old guy ends up having the Q-Q like I guessed, but the other guy ended up catching the straight because he had J-10 offsuit, so the 7 sealed the hand for him.

Do you guys think I played the hand correctly? I mean obviously, I lost, but what would you have done. I'm just looking for opinions.

Im no pro but i would of done the same thing but you forgot about they other dude playing and just focused on the old dude cuz you wanted to take him out...you cant blame the other dude cuz he had a solid hand after the flop even though his % of winning was low (correct me if im wrong) and hit his str8 on the turn

Yeah. I definitely got tunnel vision. A $200 mistake.

 

[doyung9]

Originally Posted by jasoner27

Originally Posted by doyung9

Another story, just want some of you guys take on this.

Was playing 1-2 NL the other day... so this older guy at the table has been pre-flop raising every other hand... $35, $40, $50... just power betting everyone out the game. So I knew I could take most of his stack if I just caught the right cards at the right time (duh, right?).

Here's what happened.

I get dealt KK. I'm 3 spots behind the old guy. He pre-flop raises to $40. I call. Guy 3 spots behind me calls. Everyone else folds. Flop comes out 9-8-5, all different suits. At this point, I'm thinking the old guy has got Q-Q or J-J. He goes all in like $150. I'm convinced it's the Q-Q, so I call. Then the other guy also calls. Turn is 7. River is a 2. Old guy ends up having the Q-Q like I guessed, but the other guy ended up catching the straight because he had J-10 offsuit, so the 7 sealed the hand for him.

Do you guys think I played the hand correctly? I mean obviously, I lost, but what would you have done. I'm just looking for opinions.

Im no pro but i would of done the same thing but you forgot about they other dude playing and just focused on the old dude cuz you wanted to take him out...you cant blame the other dude cuz he had a solid hand after the flop even though his % of winning was low (correct me if im wrong) and hit his str8 on the turn

Yeah. I definitely got tunnel vision. A $200 mistake.

 

[dfabix]

Originally Posted by doyung9

I get dealt KK. I'm 3 spots behind the old guy. He pre-flop raises to $40. I call. Guy 3 spots behind me calls. Everyone else folds. Flop comes out 9-8-5, all different suits. At this point, I'm thinking the old guy has got Q-Q or J-J. He goes all in like $150. I'm convinced it's the Q-Q, so I call. Then the other guy also calls. Turn is 7. River is a 2. Old guy ends up having the Q-Q like I guessed, but the other guy ended up catching the straight because he had J-10 offsuit, so the 7 sealed the hand for him.

Do you guys think I played the hand correctly? I mean obviously, I lost, but what would you have done. I'm just looking for opinions.

Remember...no right or wrong way to play poker...there is your way and everyone elses (just like raising a child)....

Now, here's my opinion on where you made your first mistake...
I agree with tre....knowing the tendencies of the old guy, I would've popped his raise (which you saw as BS anyways) immediately to isolate him...so preflop, when he raised it to $40, I would've popped him to like $90....(you wanna give people behind you a hard choice on putting up money when the numbers don't work in their favor, you have control over this by being able to re-raise him....)
Heads up with an opponent like this is the situation you want...
especially since you had position on him....

However, after your call, there is $80 in the pot and if dude (assuming he was on the button or close to it) called $40  w/ 10J...
I highly doubt he's folding with $120 in the pot and a $150 all in bet when he has the up and down draw...
so after the flop, even if you re-raised dude's all in of $150 (which it seems like you were pretty much all in also)....I think 10J is getting sufficient odds on his money to make the call and hope that both of you have the overpair and he can draw out to his straight or even a backdoor flush (if he had the same suit...I'm making this assumption because 10J suited I could see someone calling in late position, but off suit? I think they are gonna let you 2 battle it out)....

Also, from what little I know about your tables play at that moment, I gotta assume that 10J also was disregarding the raise by the old guy and trying to get double his money with a sneaky yet playable hand in late position....
he might have even been trying to float you on the river or something and make you fold a strong hand and take down a nice pot against the old guy who probably had nothing....

just my nickel ...
free,d


  

 

[dfabix]

Originally Posted by doyung9

I get dealt KK. I'm 3 spots behind the old guy. He pre-flop raises to $40. I call. Guy 3 spots behind me calls. Everyone else folds. Flop comes out 9-8-5, all different suits. At this point, I'm thinking the old guy has got Q-Q or J-J. He goes all in like $150. I'm convinced it's the Q-Q, so I call. Then the other guy also calls. Turn is 7. River is a 2. Old guy ends up having the Q-Q like I guessed, but the other guy ended up catching the straight because he had J-10 offsuit, so the 7 sealed the hand for him.

Do you guys think I played the hand correctly? I mean obviously, I lost, but what would you have done. I'm just looking for opinions.

Remember...no right or wrong way to play poker...there is your way and everyone elses (just like raising a child)....

Now, here's my opinion on where you made your first mistake...
I agree with tre....knowing the tendencies of the old guy, I would've popped his raise (which you saw as BS anyways) immediately to isolate him...so preflop, when he raised it to $40, I would've popped him to like $90....(you wanna give people behind you a hard choice on putting up money when the numbers don't work in their favor, you have control over this by being able to re-raise him....)
Heads up with an opponent like this is the situation you want...
especially since you had position on him....

However, after your call, there is $80 in the pot and if dude (assuming he was on the button or close to it) called $40  w/ 10J...
I highly doubt he's folding with $120 in the pot and a $150 all in bet when he has the up and down draw...
so after the flop, even if you re-raised dude's all in of $150 (which it seems like you were pretty much all in also)....I think 10J is getting sufficient odds on his money to make the call and hope that both of you have the overpair and he can draw out to his straight or even a backdoor flush (if he had the same suit...I'm making this assumption because 10J suited I could see someone calling in late position, but off suit? I think they are gonna let you 2 battle it out)....

Also, from what little I know about your tables play at that moment, I gotta assume that 10J also was disregarding the raise by the old guy and trying to get double his money with a sneaky yet playable hand in late position....
he might have even been trying to float you on the river or something and make you fold a strong hand and take down a nice pot against the old guy who probably had nothing....

just my nickel ...
free,d


  

 

[daewing]

Originally Posted by DFABIX

Originally Posted by doyung9

I get dealt KK. I'm 3 spots behind the old guy. He pre-flop raises to $40. I call. Guy 3 spots behind me calls. Everyone else folds. Flop comes out 9-8-5, all different suits. At this point, I'm thinking the old guy has got Q-Q or J-J. He goes all in like $150. I'm convinced it's the Q-Q, so I call. Then the other guy also calls. Turn is 7. River is a 2. Old guy ends up having the Q-Q like I guessed, but the other guy ended up catching the straight because he had J-10 offsuit, so the 7 sealed the hand for him.

Do you guys think I played the hand correctly? I mean obviously, I lost, but what would you have done. I'm just looking for opinions.

Remember...no right or wrong way to play poker...there is your way and everyone elses (just like raising a child)....

Now, here's my opinion on where you made your first mistake...
I agree with tre....knowing the tendencies of the old guy, I would've popped his raise (which you saw as BS anyways) immediately to isolate him...so preflop, when he raised it to $40, I would've popped him to like $90....(you wanna give people behind you a hard choice on putting up money when the numbers don't work in their favor, you have control over this by being able to re-raise him....)
Heads up with an opponent like this is the situation you want...
especially since you had position on him....

However, after your call, there is $80 in the pot and if dude (assuming he was on the button or close to it) called $40  w/ 10J...
I highly doubt he's folding with $120 in the pot and a $150 all in bet when he has the up and down draw...
so after the flop, even if you re-raised dude's all in of $150 (which it seems like you were pretty much all in also)....I think 10J is getting sufficient odds on his money to make the call and hope that both of you have the overpair and he can draw out to his straight or even a backdoor flush (if he had the same suit...I'm making this assumption because 10J suited I could see someone calling in late position, but off suit? I think they are gonna let you 2 battle it out)....

Also, from what little I know about your tables play at that moment, I gotta assume that 10J also was disregarding the raise by the old guy and trying to get double his money with a sneaky yet playable hand in late position....
he might have even been trying to float you on the river or something and make you fold a strong hand and take down a nice pot against the old guy who probably had nothing....

just my nickel ...
free,d


  

Yup I agree. Knowing how aggressive the old guy plays and since you had 3 or 4 people behind you preflop, you should have re-raise him. You want to get 1 on 1 with someone that plays aggressively when you have a big hand. The 10 J would have definitely folded and the old guy would have called or reraised you.

 

[daewing]

Originally Posted by DFABIX

Originally Posted by doyung9

I get dealt KK. I'm 3 spots behind the old guy. He pre-flop raises to $40. I call. Guy 3 spots behind me calls. Everyone else folds. Flop comes out 9-8-5, all different suits. At this point, I'm thinking the old guy has got Q-Q or J-J. He goes all in like $150. I'm convinced it's the Q-Q, so I call. Then the other guy also calls. Turn is 7. River is a 2. Old guy ends up having the Q-Q like I guessed, but the other guy ended up catching the straight because he had J-10 offsuit, so the 7 sealed the hand for him.

Do you guys think I played the hand correctly? I mean obviously, I lost, but what would you have done. I'm just looking for opinions.

Remember...no right or wrong way to play poker...there is your way and everyone elses (just like raising a child)....

Now, here's my opinion on where you made your first mistake...
I agree with tre....knowing the tendencies of the old guy, I would've popped his raise (which you saw as BS anyways) immediately to isolate him...so preflop, when he raised it to $40, I would've popped him to like $90....(you wanna give people behind you a hard choice on putting up money when the numbers don't work in their favor, you have control over this by being able to re-raise him....)
Heads up with an opponent like this is the situation you want...
especially since you had position on him....

However, after your call, there is $80 in the pot and if dude (assuming he was on the button or close to it) called $40  w/ 10J...
I highly doubt he's folding with $120 in the pot and a $150 all in bet when he has the up and down draw...
so after the flop, even if you re-raised dude's all in of $150 (which it seems like you were pretty much all in also)....I think 10J is getting sufficient odds on his money to make the call and hope that both of you have the overpair and he can draw out to his straight or even a backdoor flush (if he had the same suit...I'm making this assumption because 10J suited I could see someone calling in late position, but off suit? I think they are gonna let you 2 battle it out)....

Also, from what little I know about your tables play at that moment, I gotta assume that 10J also was disregarding the raise by the old guy and trying to get double his money with a sneaky yet playable hand in late position....
he might have even been trying to float you on the river or something and make you fold a strong hand and take down a nice pot against the old guy who probably had nothing....

just my nickel ...
free,d


  

Yup I agree. Knowing how aggressive the old guy plays and since you had 3 or 4 people behind you preflop, you should have re-raise him. You want to get 1 on 1 with someone that plays aggressively when you have a big hand. The 10 J would have definitely folded and the old guy would have called or reraised you.

 

[kingtre]

Originally Posted by doyung9

Originally Posted by Kingtre

i think my head exploded reading this thread

http://doyung9.u.yuku.com/

doyung9

stack sizes would help....but as is I would have 3bet the dude who was always raising...

We both started the hand in the $180-$220 range. I had another $200 in my pocket, don't know why it wasn't on the table. Like I said, head wasn't there that day.

Tre,

You play a ton of poker (casino) right? What's your game?


yea at the end of the day you played it too passively and let somebody catch the draw...if that card hadnt come you would have been the clear winner of more $ but its all about picking spots- some people like to play more aggressive and lower the risk others like to be more risky to get more chips in the pot....think i said it already but once you have the fundamentals down you should basically be switching up styles depending on your environment

and yea i play alot i guess...still working on my game and got a long way to go - i switch with my moods and havent settled into one game sometimes i'll focus on SNGs sometimes cash sometimes MTT-

 

[kingtre]

Originally Posted by doyung9

Originally Posted by Kingtre

i think my head exploded reading this thread

http://doyung9.u.yuku.com/

doyung9

stack sizes would help....but as is I would have 3bet the dude who was always raising...

We both started the hand in the $180-$220 range. I had another $200 in my pocket, don't know why it wasn't on the table. Like I said, head wasn't there that day.

Tre,

You play a ton of poker (casino) right? What's your game?


yea at the end of the day you played it too passively and let somebody catch the draw...if that card hadnt come you would have been the clear winner of more $ but its all about picking spots- some people like to play more aggressive and lower the risk others like to be more risky to get more chips in the pot....think i said it already but once you have the fundamentals down you should basically be switching up styles depending on your environment

and yea i play alot i guess...still working on my game and got a long way to go - i switch with my moods and havent settled into one game sometimes i'll focus on SNGs sometimes cash sometimes MTT-

 

[doyung9]

Originally Posted by DaeWing

Originally Posted by DFABIX

Originally Posted by doyung9

I get dealt KK. I'm 3 spots behind the old guy. He pre-flop raises to $40. I call. Guy 3 spots behind me calls. Everyone else folds. Flop comes out 9-8-5, all different suits. At this point, I'm thinking the old guy has got Q-Q or J-J. He goes all in like $150. I'm convinced it's the Q-Q, so I call. Then the other guy also calls. Turn is 7. River is a 2. Old guy ends up having the Q-Q like I guessed, but the other guy ended up catching the straight because he had J-10 offsuit, so the 7 sealed the hand for him.

Do you guys think I played the hand correctly? I mean obviously, I lost, but what would you have done. I'm just looking for opinions.

Remember...no right or wrong way to play poker...there is your way and everyone elses (just like raising a child)....

Now, here's my opinion on where you made your first mistake...
I agree with tre....knowing the tendencies of the old guy, I would've popped his raise (which you saw as BS anyways) immediately to isolate him...so preflop, when he raised it to $40, I would've popped him to like $90....(you wanna give people behind you a hard choice on putting up money when the numbers don't work in their favor, you have control over this by being able to re-raise him....)
Heads up with an opponent like this is the situation you want...
especially since you had position on him....

However, after your call, there is $80 in the pot and if dude (assuming he was on the button or close to it) called $40  w/ 10J...
I highly doubt he's folding with $120 in the pot and a $150 all in bet when he has the up and down draw...
so after the flop, even if you re-raised dude's all in of $150 (which it seems like you were pretty much all in also)....I think 10J is getting sufficient odds on his money to make the call and hope that both of you have the overpair and he can draw out to his straight or even a backdoor flush (if he had the same suit...I'm making this assumption because 10J suited I could see someone calling in late position, but off suit? I think they are gonna let you 2 battle it out)....

Also, from what little I know about your tables play at that moment, I gotta assume that 10J also was disregarding the raise by the old guy and trying to get double his money with a sneaky yet playable hand in late position....
he might have even been trying to float you on the river or something and make you fold a strong hand and take down a nice pot against the old guy who probably had nothing....

just my nickel ...
free,d


  

Yup I agree. Knowing how aggressive the old guy plays and since you had 3 or 4 people behind you preflop, you should have re-raise him. You want to get 1 on 1 with someone that plays aggressively when you have a big hand. The 10 J would have definitely folded and the old guy would have called or reraised you.

Yeah... same thing happened last night.... except it was to the guy sitting next to me and a completely different old guy... not me. Felt bad for the guy

 

[doyung9]

Originally Posted by DaeWing

Originally Posted by DFABIX

Originally Posted by doyung9

I get dealt KK. I'm 3 spots behind the old guy. He pre-flop raises to $40. I call. Guy 3 spots behind me calls. Everyone else folds. Flop comes out 9-8-5, all different suits. At this point, I'm thinking the old guy has got Q-Q or J-J. He goes all in like $150. I'm convinced it's the Q-Q, so I call. Then the other guy also calls. Turn is 7. River is a 2. Old guy ends up having the Q-Q like I guessed, but the other guy ended up catching the straight because he had J-10 offsuit, so the 7 sealed the hand for him.

Do you guys think I played the hand correctly? I mean obviously, I lost, but what would you have done. I'm just looking for opinions.

Remember...no right or wrong way to play poker...there is your way and everyone elses (just like raising a child)....

Now, here's my opinion on where you made your first mistake...
I agree with tre....knowing the tendencies of the old guy, I would've popped his raise (which you saw as BS anyways) immediately to isolate him...so preflop, when he raised it to $40, I would've popped him to like $90....(you wanna give people behind you a hard choice on putting up money when the numbers don't work in their favor, you have control over this by being able to re-raise him....)
Heads up with an opponent like this is the situation you want...
especially since you had position on him....

However, after your call, there is $80 in the pot and if dude (assuming he was on the button or close to it) called $40  w/ 10J...
I highly doubt he's folding with $120 in the pot and a $150 all in bet when he has the up and down draw...
so after the flop, even if you re-raised dude's all in of $150 (which it seems like you were pretty much all in also)....I think 10J is getting sufficient odds on his money to make the call and hope that both of you have the overpair and he can draw out to his straight or even a backdoor flush (if he had the same suit...I'm making this assumption because 10J suited I could see someone calling in late position, but off suit? I think they are gonna let you 2 battle it out)....

Also, from what little I know about your tables play at that moment, I gotta assume that 10J also was disregarding the raise by the old guy and trying to get double his money with a sneaky yet playable hand in late position....
he might have even been trying to float you on the river or something and make you fold a strong hand and take down a nice pot against the old guy who probably had nothing....

just my nickel ...
free,d


  

Yup I agree. Knowing how aggressive the old guy plays and since you had 3 or 4 people behind you preflop, you should have re-raise him. You want to get 1 on 1 with someone that plays aggressively when you have a big hand. The 10 J would have definitely folded and the old guy would have called or reraised you.

Yeah... same thing happened last night.... except it was to the guy sitting next to me and a completely different old guy... not me. Felt bad for the guy

 

[sickickz23]

Lol top pair that counts? What type of poker does your friend play? Or better yet, where did he learn it from?

 

[sickickz23]

Lol top pair that counts? What type of poker does your friend play? Or better yet, where did he learn it from?