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NT's All Time NBA ReDraft Thread: GR8 Write Up Page 187, Bracket Final Vote
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JD's pairing of D12 + Ibaka is just bull ****. :x Like, damn man, let me score down here.
And he even added YOLO Bynum to the mix
.. I also like how Chester went with Mutombo and KG, imagine Mutombo waving his finger in your face and KG talkin **** in the background after a blocked shot 
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LTB your team is my favorite
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captainsneakerhead23
I got questions to ask... And I Hope You Got Some Answers...Top 5 Starting Lineups (no particular order):
@CP1708
@Al3xis
@Seymore CAKE
@PMatic
@Mamba MVP
Top 5 Bench (no particular order):
@awwsome
@Seymore CAKE
@CP1708
@Al3xis
@bhzmafia14
But not a top 10/15 Team?!?!?!
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the feels about to escalate
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Top 5 Starting Lineups (no particular order):
@CP1708
@Al3xis
@Seymore CAKE
@PMatic
@Mamba MVP
Top 5 Bench (no particular order):
@awwsome
@Seymore CAKE
@CP1708
@Al3xis
@bhzmafia14
But not a top 10/15 Team?!?!?!
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JD's pairing of D12 + Ibaka is just bull ****. :x Like, damn man, let me score down here.
And he even added YOLO Bynum to the mix
KG & Mutombo, my God. :x
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seymore cake
honestly Cake I know we're Bulls fans till the end but your Duke affiliation was just too much for me to overlook Seriously tho, I could've sworn I added you to the Top 15 but it looks like I missed you in that portion. Cut me some slack, I used the "@" function about 50 times in that post, I was due for a slight hiccup
EDIT - fixed it for you broseph
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Top 5 in both categories but I'm not a Top 5 team? Let Alone Top 15??!?!?
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I didnt bro and happy belated b'day too. I loved your backcourt as Drazen Petrovic is one of my favorite all time players 
Your bench could've been a little better but you still get props for bringing back a name I haven't seen in YEARS, Dino Radja
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FWIW, Cake you came in at #7, right behind PMatic. Those the only answers I got Ye!!
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I knew it had to do with the blue bloods . I can respect that, touché 
. I can respect that, touché 
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I ain't even coming back in this thread since my old *** team ain't gunna get ANY love.
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I got you bro, I actually wanted to take a little bit more time analyzing your squad and BeEazy. Maybe even Champ's too. Figuring out how some of those guys would translate into this era of ball is something I find really interesting.
You'LL probably get a better breakdown from guys who were alive to see most of your squad play outside of Penny and English
Your win shares is LIT tho
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There's only one guy in here that qualifiesYou'LL probably get a better breakdown from guys who were alive to see most of your squad play outside of Penny and English
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But what do the analytics say
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analytics shmanalytics
I'ma just ramble for a bit
Champ
This made me sad. MJ, with a bunch of folks I know nothin about. This team prolly has greatness all thru it, I got zip on their game(s)
I was hopin to see MJ get paired with Blake G, and Kawhi, and Mutumbo etc. Not moved to SF.
Cake
One of these dudes ain't like the others.........
Fit/scheme wise, I might like West at the PF, Bill off the bench as the C. But there's a lotta dog on this roster. Lotta dog.
franchise
Really strong bench. Really balanced squad. This is one of my "sleeper" type teams that could sneak on some folks.
Allen
Lot of sex. But, if we speakin truth to each other, Wilt, Web, Melo......lot of playoff pee down some legs, no?
Clearly, on a team together, they have the fire power to put your lights out. But I mean......Dumas and BJ got more Finals shine than your starting lineup, right? Team wise tho, talent wise, sex. Webber/Rondo/Lewis were heavy on my radar, I know Perkins would be a find, and I used to love Dumas when he was hot. Like it, a lot.
Big J
Lot to like on this roster. But, fit wise.....Eaton/Dun get in Russ/Eddie/Pierce's way, no? I know you could lineup fit them all better, prime Amare at the C, with Draymond at the PF, you'd turn into the Suns, but better. Then again, the slow it down Pierce with Dunc, Harp, Jones, etc, defensively, lot to play with here.
Addict4
My God the shooting. :x
My God the defense :x
I would have been with you more if you went all in with O. So, if you went Amare at C, instead of Ben, the hub of Amare, like Dream, gives him 4 shooters surrounding him, good luck doin a damn thing. That's your play. With Ben, no one needs to guard him, it "lessens" the space. And you have a ton of it to murk with. You already punted defense, why try with one guy? Best defender in the world can't do nothin with 4 stiffs backin him. Ben gets wasted in this set up.
But.......
I'm lookin at ya, and you go small,
Fish
Harden
Klay
Ellis
Dirk
Jesus Christ. :x
DJ's
Another underrated team. More balanced than I think people realize. Really solid 12.
LTB
Love a lot of your squad, but I have never been a Jason fan. Gimme Rose and I would want to see you match up with some folks. Really like your bench too.
SoHi
Kawhi, Durant, Gobert, with Nick, Manu, Kyrie........man after my own heart. Love ALOT of what you have there. But also some names I wouldn't want to mix in there. Love that frontcourt tho.
JA
Some nice Finals glory in there. And you got some baaaaad men in there come crunch time, but against all timer's, in a series, Lucas and McAdoo is all you got? :\ And while Brand was a baller, he's undersized as well. I have a feeling you'd have some issues inside.
BHZ
Like your starters a lot, but your bench loses me. Hedo and Mason are my two favs tho. And we talked earlier about your spacing, true shooting when it came down to it, Roy/Payton/Artest would worry me a little. But defensively, a lot to like obviously.
JD617
When it's frisky time, slide Wiggins to 3, and Bledsoe to the 2 and holy **** And if you have truly healthy Bynum, and his footwork offensively, with CP3 feeding him, and prime Joe out and about.....Another kind of sneaky team. Really solid squad
Statis
Really strong roster. C spot is "weakest" link, and isn't all that weak really.
ECook
I know the names, I don't know the games. I can't personally do anything with this. But I will tell you, I feel a little like I do with Champ, I feel sad that I didn't get to see Penny listed with a Reign Man, and a Pippen, and a Steph, etc. Because Prime Penny deserved to have a lineup around him of post 50's players to ball with.
I know you got Bill Simmons HOF pyramid guys locked up, I just don't know what they can on the court or what skillsets they give me. I can read their stats just fine, but I don't know how that translates across the time of basketball eras. But I am going to ask my father for his imput, he might be able to shine some light for me. I will get back to you.
For the ones I haven't broken down, I will. This is not a list of teams I like or don't, it's me thinkin stuff out loud, jottin notes, and commenting in real time. I will get to the rest of you, I promise. At that point, I will give my votes.
Champ
This made me sad. MJ, with a bunch of folks I know nothin about.
This team prolly has greatness all thru it, I got zip on their game(s) I was hopin to see MJ get paired with Blake G, and Kawhi, and Mutumbo etc. Not moved to SF.
Cake
One of these dudes ain't like the others.........
Fit/scheme wise, I might like West at the PF, Bill off the bench as the C. But there's a lotta dog on this roster. Lotta dog.
franchise
Really strong bench. Really balanced squad. This is one of my "sleeper" type teams that could sneak on some folks.
Allen
Lot of sex. But, if we speakin truth to each other, Wilt, Web, Melo......lot of playoff pee down some legs, no?
Clearly, on a team together, they have the fire power to put your lights out. But I mean......Dumas and BJ got more Finals shine than your starting lineup, right? Team wise tho, talent wise, sex. Webber/Rondo/Lewis were heavy on my radar, I know Perkins would be a find, and I used to love Dumas when he was hot. Like it, a lot. Big J
Lot to like on this roster. But, fit wise.....Eaton/Dun get in Russ/Eddie/Pierce's way, no? I know you could lineup fit them all better, prime Amare at the C, with Draymond at the PF, you'd turn into the Suns, but better. Then again, the slow it down Pierce with Dunc, Harp, Jones, etc, defensively, lot to play with here.
Addict4
My God the shooting. :x
My God the defense :x
I would have been with you more if you went all in with O. So, if you went Amare at C, instead of Ben, the hub of Amare, like Dream, gives him 4 shooters surrounding him, good luck doin a damn thing. That's your play. With Ben, no one needs to guard him, it "lessens" the space. And you have a ton of it to murk with. You already punted defense, why try with one guy? Best defender in the world can't do nothin with 4 stiffs backin him. Ben gets wasted in this set up.
But.......
I'm lookin at ya, and you go small,
Fish
Harden
Klay
Ellis
Dirk
Jesus Christ. :x
DJ's
Another underrated team. More balanced than I think people realize. Really solid 12.
LTB
Love a lot of your squad, but I have never been a Jason fan. Gimme Rose and I would want to see you match up with some folks. Really like your bench too.
SoHi
Kawhi, Durant, Gobert, with Nick, Manu, Kyrie........man after my own heart. Love ALOT of what you have there. But also some names I wouldn't want to mix in there. Love that frontcourt tho.
JA
Some nice Finals glory in there. And you got some baaaaad men in there come crunch time, but against all timer's, in a series, Lucas and McAdoo is all you got? :\ And while Brand was a baller, he's undersized as well. I have a feeling you'd have some issues inside.
BHZ
Like your starters a lot, but your bench loses me. Hedo and Mason are my two favs tho. And we talked earlier about your spacing, true shooting when it came down to it, Roy/Payton/Artest would worry me a little. But defensively, a lot to like obviously.
JD617
When it's frisky time, slide Wiggins to 3, and Bledsoe to the 2 and holy **** And if you have truly healthy Bynum, and his footwork offensively, with CP3 feeding him, and prime Joe out and about.....Another kind of sneaky team. Really solid squad
Statis
Really strong roster. C spot is "weakest" link, and isn't all that weak really.
ECook
I know the names, I don't know the games. I can't personally do anything with this. But I will tell you, I feel a little like I do with Champ, I feel sad that I didn't get to see Penny listed with a Reign Man, and a Pippen, and a Steph, etc. Because Prime Penny deserved to have a lineup around him of post 50's players to ball with.
I know you got Bill Simmons HOF pyramid guys locked up, I just don't know what they can on the court or what skillsets they give me. I can read their stats just fine, but I don't know how that translates across the time of basketball eras. But I am going to ask my father for his imput, he might be able to shine some light for me. I will get back to you.
For the ones I haven't broken down, I will. This is not a list of teams I like or don't, it's me thinkin stuff out loud, jottin notes, and commenting in real time. I will get to the rest of you, I promise. At that point, I will give my votes.
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Top 3 teams by Modern Rules. (Illegal defense, no handcheck)
So for modern era rules I would value, shooting, mobility on defense, and pick and roll and less value on isolation, high volume post up behemoths, and non 3 point shooting perimeter players.
top 3 in no order.
Top 3, 78- early 2000ish. (no illegal defense rule, handcheck)
Harder to zone guys, harder to send extra bodies at people so this makes isolation and post up players more valuable. also hand checks makes it more difficult for smaller PG's to dominate. mobility on defense less important, size, and ability to create one on one more important.
Pre 3 point line. smaller lane
Centers. Centers. Centers. They control everything that happens on court, no 3 point line renders all but the most effecient 3 mid range perimeter players significantly less valuable especially PG's. Value guys who can see over defense and make passes in small windows.
So for modern era rules I would value, shooting, mobility on defense, and pick and roll and less value on isolation, high volume post up behemoths, and non 3 point shooting perimeter players.
top 3 in no order.
CP1708
PMatic
JD617
CP's got a lot of shooting, with highly versatile defenders coming off the bench. LMA could be stretched out to the 3 point line for better spacing. Chauncey is an underrated PG, gets forgotten because he was really good at everything and lacked that eye popping skill.
PMatic
Lots of high quality 3 and d guys surrounding rant Hill who I presume will be the offense engine and primary ball handler, Marc Gasol and Bosh can play so many different roles really flexible pieces you want in todays game.
JD'S Dwight and Ibaka would be a nearly impenetrable 4 5 combination. They combine girth with mobility, it would allow CP3 to wreak havoc in the passing lanes. The CP3 Dwight pick and Roll is like the best possible version of his Hornet days with Tyson Chadler, Need to get Wiggins out the starting lineup tho.
Hounrabl mention: SoHi, DJ's. Addict4
PMatic
JD617
CP's got a lot of shooting, with highly versatile defenders coming off the bench. LMA could be stretched out to the 3 point line for better spacing. Chauncey is an underrated PG, gets forgotten because he was really good at everything and lacked that eye popping skill.
PMatic
Lots of high quality 3 and d guys surrounding rant Hill who I presume will be the offense engine and primary ball handler, Marc Gasol and Bosh can play so many different roles really flexible pieces you want in todays game.
JD'S Dwight and Ibaka would be a nearly impenetrable 4 5 combination. They combine girth with mobility, it would allow CP3 to wreak havoc in the passing lanes. The CP3 Dwight pick and Roll is like the best possible version of his Hornet days with Tyson Chadler, Need to get Wiggins out the starting lineup tho.
Hounrabl mention: SoHi, DJ's. Addict4
Top 3, 78- early 2000ish. (no illegal defense rule, handcheck)
Harder to zone guys, harder to send extra bodies at people so this makes isolation and post up players more valuable. also hand checks makes it more difficult for smaller PG's to dominate. mobility on defense less important, size, and ability to create one on one more important.
Top 3
Cake
Awwesome
Allen
If we playing by 90's rules I think Cake's team works really well, the outside shooting is not much of a problem. John Wall is the type of physical specimen that would hold up over heavy headc hekcign and physical play. Lambeer's less than ideal mobility at PF is not much of issue to under those rules. Defense would be formidable, with Walton and Lambeer. Lebron James I presume is the primary ball handler, and he has an immense physical advatage in any era and in an era when it's easier to take advtage of mismatches I think lebron would eat all day.
Awesome
Hakeem is a bit of a reach but he and blake griffen would be a handful especially when you can islate mismatches with high low passes from blake to hakeem. I think Bo Outlaw was a canny pick up, tought guy perfect for this era who can d up multiple positions. Peja gives you the size you covet in the 90's era with the shooting you want in this era.
Allen
In a game that usually devolves into attacking mis matches I want the guy with the biggest physical advantage, and physical advantages don't get bigger than Wilt Chamberlain. Maybe the GOAT but often gets left out of the discussion becuasse bill russel lived 30 years longer to convince everyone that he was better. You have another isolation monster in Melo who would fit in perfectly with the one on one battles of pere illegal defense NBA and heavy enough to hold against ha ndchecking defenders.
Cake
Awwesome
Allen
If we playing by 90's rules I think Cake's team works really well, the outside shooting is not much of a problem. John Wall is the type of physical specimen that would hold up over heavy headc hekcign and physical play. Lambeer's less than ideal mobility at PF is not much of issue to under those rules. Defense would be formidable, with Walton and Lambeer. Lebron James I presume is the primary ball handler, and he has an immense physical advatage in any era and in an era when it's easier to take advtage of mismatches I think lebron would eat all day.
Awesome
Hakeem is a bit of a reach but he and blake griffen would be a handful especially when you can islate mismatches with high low passes from blake to hakeem. I think Bo Outlaw was a canny pick up, tought guy perfect for this era who can d up multiple positions. Peja gives you the size you covet in the 90's era with the shooting you want in this era.
Allen
In a game that usually devolves into attacking mis matches I want the guy with the biggest physical advantage, and physical advantages don't get bigger than Wilt Chamberlain. Maybe the GOAT but often gets left out of the discussion becuasse bill russel lived 30 years longer to convince everyone that he was better. You have another isolation monster in Melo who would fit in perfectly with the one on one battles of pere illegal defense NBA and heavy enough to hold against ha ndchecking defenders.
Pre 3 point line. smaller lane
Centers. Centers. Centers. They control everything that happens on court, no 3 point line renders all but the most effecient 3 mid range perimeter players significantly less valuable especially PG's. Value guys who can see over defense and make passes in small windows.
Franchise
Allen
Mamba
Franchise has Kareem who's probably the perfect player for that era because the sky hook is effective regardless of the amount of space on the floor. Rodmans defense and rebounding plays up and his lack of shooting matters less.
Allen has Wilt which to ends most of the conversation in a pre 3 point line league but he also has Chris Webb who's passing is perfect for all the different cutters they run around post players in 50's and 60's offenses. both Wilt and Webber can make those passes in tight windows.
Mamba got Kobe who I think is one of the shooting guards suited to this era, tall high volume perimeter shot creators who can work out of the post are proabably the best type of gaurds. Boogie I think would be an absoulute monster pre 3 point line, not only is he is just a physical mismatch, he can also pass the ball whoch is important becuas eos much of the offense tends to run through the cneter pre 3 point line.
Allen
Mamba
Franchise has Kareem who's probably the perfect player for that era because the sky hook is effective regardless of the amount of space on the floor. Rodmans defense and rebounding plays up and his lack of shooting matters less.
Allen has Wilt which to ends most of the conversation in a pre 3 point line league but he also has Chris Webb who's passing is perfect for all the different cutters they run around post players in 50's and 60's offenses. both Wilt and Webber can make those passes in tight windows.
Mamba got Kobe who I think is one of the shooting guards suited to this era, tall high volume perimeter shot creators who can work out of the post are proabably the best type of gaurds. Boogie I think would be an absoulute monster pre 3 point line, not only is he is just a physical mismatch, he can also pass the ball whoch is important becuas eos much of the offense tends to run through the cneter pre 3 point line.
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